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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-21-2002 10:57 PM
   
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nice try at distraction chemm, but through all of your B/S about what a acclaimed guy thomas is...
You're a liar. Show me proof of this 'acclaim'. Now, you degenerate fool. The topic of this thread is: Another Debunker HOAX Not some beef between Carnicom and Thomas. It is you who are engaging distraction, quite obviously. Who was it the last time, Greg? John Keel wasn't it? Author of The Mothman Prophecies?
No, that was the time before last. Last time it was Drunvalo Melchizedek....
Now it's Capt. Grace, eh?
You'll get no further comment from me. I'll just kick back and watch who's doing the feeding and which lapdog snatches each morsel of disinformation from the master's hand the quickest.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Chem11 on 01-21-2002]
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 01-21-2002 11:22 PM
Chem11, please refrain from derogatory remarks when you post here!T/S, you illiterate in-bred alcoholic you mind-blowing idiot and Now, you degenerate fool. say more about you than it does about theseeker... You'll get no further comment from me. Is that a promise Chem11? Can you and seeker put your beef to bed and shake?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lulu on 01-21-2002]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2002 11:30 PM
(urine website)...cy is quite correct, most of you have no sense of humor...one more time, you seem a little slow tonight dave... try centrex news for news you won't find at slop / ed megasprayer... http://www.centrexnews.com/columnists/skousen/2002/0111.html
you all worry about "parodies" casting a negative light on chemtrails when people in your own camp are your worst enemy......
I can add larry lawson to this list and plenty of others... you lose sucker
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:13 AM
If I had a dollar for every 'derogatory' remark that theseeker has posted, every outright lie, I'd own my own island, Lulu.What it 'says' about me is that I have had it up to HERE with these mis-representations and attacks. Sorry if that's a bit too direct. I know that you prefer to air you own opinions in hushed tones in dark alleys, but others do not. Deal with it. You dont like it? Too damn bad. Delete the post. Then delete every other post with a 'derogatory' comment. Including your own. That link has been posted on my site since 4:25, T/S. Do your own damn research and check your facts, instead of lapping up the crumbs that fall of off Reynold's table.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 12:21 AM
I know that you prefer to air you own opinions in hushed tones in dark alleys, but others do not. Deal with it.Airing opinions in one thing Chem11, having no class is another.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:22 AM
Now, If you can detangle yourself from Lulu's skirt-tails long enough, do post this 'acclaim' you attributed to me with reference to Mr. Thomas.I'm waiting.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 12:24 AM
every outright lieprove it.... and deb was on tuit @ 10:31 am, I reckon you "ripped" it from her site...eh ? T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:26 AM
This has nothing to do with you Lulu. Either delete the post or don't delete it, but spare me the hypocrisy lesson, K?I'm still waiting T/S.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 12:28 AM
waiting on what ?
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 12:31 AM
a brain
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:34 AM
You claimed, among other things, that I lavished some sort of 'acclaim' on my 'idol' William Thomas. That is a lie. You, therefore are a liar. Unless you can substantiate these remarks, I'm afraid you come off sounding like something of a pathological half-wit. Pardon my demeanor, folks, but don't let people lead you to believe that you have to take these dirty-tricks 'lieing' down. You don't.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:44 AM
Rather 'derogatory' of you, Lulu. I must say...It certainly 'says more' about you than it does me, right? Why I'm shocked at this highly uncharacteristic display of (dare I say it) hypocrisy on your part! Tick-tock T/S, you sleazy disinformation artist... 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 12:46 AM
ah yes...you have claimed that willy is an acclaimed writer and videographer... and you have never said this chemm ? now what have I fibbed about...hmmm ?
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:54 AM
Post a link to where I lavished this 'acclaim', TS.Is that SO difficult?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 01:06 AM
yes it is...
T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 01:40 AM
That's what I thought.Exactly what sort of propaganda campaign are you hoax-happy, not-quite-debunkers embarking on? I've been expecting a change in tactics, but I wasn't expecting this abandonment en masse of all pretext of credibility. Make no mistake, the website that is the topic of discussion on this thread is no 'lark' and certainly not any attempt at humor. It's a blueprint for a new strategy on the part of the Flat Earth Society and anyone interested in this little information war should take a few moments to ponder over the amount of time it took to create that site and the real message that it intends to send, IMO.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 01:57 AM
chemmmmmmmm,I see nothin' but humor when I visit that site... tactics your one paranoid sob.... that site could be created in a matter of hours (raw), and if the text is already typed...and you wanted to put some money on it...a matter of minutes...just a little code... your scare tactics are old, chemmmmmmmmmm. T/S
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amber
UK ENVOY
uk
445 posts, May 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 04:31 AM
Just curious LuLu...I could never figure out your attitude to certain posts and certain posters. I tried to put it down to your position as moderator...but even then you sometimes reacted, to my mind, in an inconsistent way...Couldn't figure it out...no doubt I am very slow...but all became clear today...enlightenment came...when I stumbled upon the debunker's site...and there you were...getting on like a house on fire! An attempt at balance? A little fence sitting? But being an integral part of that board, would never have any bearing on your attitude as a moderator here, would it?
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior
S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 07:41 AM
Everyone on both sides of the chemtrail issue always fighting, hurting one another, meaness, bickering....one thing might get said "off" or wrong when someone is having a bad day or upset about something and things have to turn into WW3. No wonder there is suspicion on all sides. This site right now is supposed to be working for the chem cause and yet look at this. No wonder some of us get suspiscious and wonder just who is for real or what site to trust. Us "chemmies" out in the field, breathing in the crap and spending their own money on getting the chem pics just so someone else can "rip them off" and call them their own later...thats the way the dedicated ones get treated. It's no wonder we suspect all these sites already. Look at this thread. All these sites seem to be turning into "fight clubs". Attacks and hurts and insults...How is this thread doing good for the Chem issue? How are any of us that are working hard on the issue supposed to trust anyone involved running a site when, as Amber mentioned, some here can say and do whatever, and others are condemmed to death practically. Thermit, going to Chemmms site and saying what you said, just proves my point. Uh, like I haven't spent a literal fortune in film, time, effort. Chemmm runs his little scam on me and you wonder why I don't trust any of you now. How do you manage and support such a big and snazzy site yet Chem can't make his as good...you must be getting help from some where. When you compare Chemmms lil lackluster, boring, colorless dealy to here, why can't $25 buy him the same that you seem to manage here. I care about the chem situation and there are all kinds of ways I can still work at it but forums and chats are all "set-ups" and bull-shit anymore. All arguing and egos and nothing ever gets done. Lorrie K. has done the most. Everyone else is just on a sleazy "payroll" of some kind to screw us "real" activists, or they are on a testosterone trip to prove who has more "balls". Enjoy giving yourself ulcers for the cause. Enjoy hating each other and scamming each other and ripping off each others work and photos, like Chemmm pulled on me. I don't really care who might be "shop" or not anymore. The way most of ya act, maybe there really IS something in the chems that affect everyones minds. When this activism started, it wasn't like this. What the hell happened. Seems so much easier now for us all to hate, be edgey, fly off the handle, be impulsive, be cruel, be hurtful to each other beyond belief...Maybe we have been looking at the wrong affect about these trails. I,ve changed, I never used to be so hot-headed and edgey...we have all changed and gotten worse...don't you all see it? Maybe "mind control" stuff is already in chems and doing their work because folks are sure changing. No one smiles in stores or speaks to one another...can any of you here say you haven't noticed drastic changes in yourself and others? Well, I'm done with these forums for good. If alls that happens is us all not trusting and turning on one another, thats not working in solution at all. The hurting just keeps going back and forth. That's the whole trouble with these forums, something gets said impulsively and instead of emailing or doing personal message dealy to try and talk things out, nope...right away...Thermit runs to Chems site and they both do their number. Hey Thermit, ever wonder why I got so upset and what Chemmm did. I think the chems are causing mass personality changes and new hights in cruelty and hurtfulness. More and more threads are about attacks and insults and less about true research or work about the chems. Maybe that is why I even wondered about this site....so many threads where fights go on, less where things get done in a positive way. Maybe it is all "planned that way". Any, say any crap you want back in answer to me, I'm done as far as computers go...I've had less fun with computer...would be more fun painting, drawing, anything but this crap. Now Chemmm and Seeker can continue their little childish dance, Thermit can hate me for wondering about some things...Ya'll can go suck on your pepto bottles or whatever. Hate and hurt like goes on any more here and everywhere, anymore, it seems will stress us out and kill us all anyway...we won't need poison chems. We'll do it to each other. I'm not "playing" anymore, but that dosen't mean I'm out of the game. J. Let the hate, hurt, and anger continue....instead of trying to talk things out or find out why someone feels bad or says something wrong...it's easier to just take the "hate" and hurt road anymore, unfortunately. Actually, the only ones here that seem to be getting things done are the women...the men are too busy trying to find their "balls" or prove they have them...do the guys even "look up" anymore?...or just down on all of us or at themselves and wonder when they look below the belt, "Where's the beef?" Between your ears maybe.  Have a lovely, lovely day.
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Scanner
benign presence
Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 08:39 AM
Wow! What's with everyone? I've been away from the board for a while. Looks like we are back to square one...at least on this thread. I don't read the other chem sites so I don't know what's been said there, but I can't see where it advances our cause to trash each other on other boards. Think I'll crawl back under my leaf and go back to being a solo act. No sheep here...just don't like where we are going. Nothing constructive will get done in this atmosphere so we might as well fold up the tent and move on. Guess it'll be a short visit for me too, Jo.
Scanner
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 10:30 AM
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Scanner:
I don't read the other chem sites so I don't know what's been said there, but I can't see where it advances our cause to trash each other on other boards.
Scanner, I agree completely I really wish everyone could stop being so suspicious of and rough with others. It doesn't help our cause at all. After Delphi implied that Chemtrail Central was a "government front site" simply because we have enough bandwidth for avatars, I felt that I needed to explain, so I posted this on Chem11's board... quote:
Thermit:
No, I'm just willing to spend $25 a month because I think Chemtrails are real. 
And to further address Delphi's concerns...
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Delphi:
How do you manage and support such a big and snazzy site yet Chem can't make his as good...you must be getting help from some where. When you compare Chemmms lil lackluster, boring, colorless dealy to here, why can't $25 buy him the same that you seem to manage here.
Delphi, I don't know why you are knocking Chem's site. It's pretty nice to me. But yes, I do get a lot of help. It's called UBBDEV, (Ultimate Bulletin Board Developers). Here's the link: http://www.ubbdev.com. All of the great features that I've added along the way, like avatars, I found there. Adding features to my board is a hobby, I have fun doing it. It isn't any big deal, and these extra features don't cost anything, they are free. Of course, as I mentioned before, I do pay for my site, so we don't have to deal with adds and popups that some other sites have and so we have enough space for the Image Database. I hope that clears up some of the mystery!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thermit on 01-22-2002]
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 10:50 AM
Oh boy.Delphi, you seem to think that is 'okay' for you voice your suspiscions that Thermit is a govenrment agent, but it is not okay for him to respond (rather good-naturedly, I might add) to those accusations. I wish you the best Joanne, and I'm not going to read you the riot act because life has certainly dealt you a few cards from the bottom of the deck. But at the same time I can't let you defecate on everyone within spitting distance because you're having a 'bad day'. Nor should I let your 'misrepresentations' go unremarked... quote:
Enjoy giving yourself ulcers for the cause. Enjoy hating each other and scamming each other and ripping off each others work and photos, like Chemmm pulled on me
I'm not really sure to what you are referring, Joanne. All I can think of is that you somehow equate uploading your photos into the Mega image gallery as somehow being 'ripped' off. Everyone that submits is, of course, given credit for their submission. quote:
How do you manage and support such a big and snazzy site yet Chem can't make his as good...you must be getting help from some where. When you compare Chemmms lil lackluster, boring, colorless dealy to here, why can't $25 buy him the same that you seem to manage here.
Hey! My site has a red color scheme. Thermit's is black, for god sake. Lackluster and boring are subjective opinions, colorless is another story! quote:
Lorrie K. has done the most. Everyone else is just on a sleazy "payroll" of some kind to screw us "real" activists
Real activists at least make an attempt to put the issue before their own personal grievances (imaginary or otherwise) with other activists. In other words, launching a cyberattack on an entire forum because you're having a 'bad day' pretty much precludes you from being taken seriously. Lorie Kramer has done an amazing job (yes, she has T/S) and so have plenty of other folks. Most of whom are not being paid by the government to do so. All this is obvious, and like I said, I'm not going to read you the riot act, Joanne. You want to go off the deep end, well, that's fine. Just don't try and take everyone else with you. Best Wishes, Chem
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL
Level 64
1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 11:53 AM
Chem11, Delphi, friends;Let's not go after each other. Remember HR2977. The bad guys have nothing left but to dissuade and distract visitors with urine jokes and unprovoked attacks. They're out of gas (well, not t/s and Lulu apparently... they're still full of it)... oops, that almost qualifies as scatalogical 'humor' too? This particular flame war began with this quote by the Sucker; quote:
...and the most humorous thing about this topic is how defender admits to not seeing it, won't go there, and then makes (her)usual uninformed observation...
More pathetic lies by The Sucker and another attack (must have learned in from chicken***t) in the form of 'gender-questioning'. This is/was a part of CD's MO as far as injecting hot-button issues like womens rights, homosexual rights, targeting by a persons religion/sexual orientation, among others. It's a very effective method of attack and I've seen it worked against us successfully many times, usually by the half-wit, CD. Lulu and 3T3 whom I respect in most of their opinions are easy targets when it comes to male-bashing in the wake of gender questioning attacks when it's injected into a conversation. The Sucker seems to be the only one left still doing this, at ChemtrailCentral anyway? BTW, as I've said before, this is the only site I look at anymore. Why would I go to a site/webhole that's been suggested, let alone designed by a lemming/'debunker' like CD or t/s? I could go, like some do, just to see what kind of b/s they're spewing... (that's what I do with television). I don't have any need to monitor a freak show like the sites mentioned by t/s, cd. IMO it's counter-productive, the lemmings know that themselves, that's why they continue to build their webholes and attack legitimate websites like Carnicoms and Thermits. Maybe you haven't noticed this, (I know you have a limited attention span), but I'm not questioning the reality of chemtrails anymore, sucker, so who needs your creepy webholes?. Most members here, as you know, don't waste time questioning or 'debunking' something they know is real. HR2977 is, among other things, confirmation that everyone else know it now too... except for the people who haven't been clued in yet. Looks like this gender thing is a trick Lulu has fallen for as well. I haven't looked at her site since she announced it. Is it becoming another 'debunker' web-hole? IMO Lulus now just another misguided male-basher, like her girlfriend, the Sucker, who's finally come out of the closet. These arguments are always a waste of time, but I guess we need them for some reason? The flame wars started by Sucker and other'debunkers' have nothing to do with chemtrails and everything to do with attacks against the exposure of chemtrails and activists. The lemmings will apparently use any pathetic/degenerate way they can. Let's not give them any help? When all is said and done, the 'debunkers' have lost. t/s continuing to play games with this thread is an indication of how dead and obsolete their cause has become!
"Some gotta win, some gotta lose! CONtrail artist 'debunkers' got the blues!"
[Edited 4 times, lastly by defender on 01-22-2002]
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Scanner
benign presence
Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:05 PM
Shouldn't personal grievances be aired on the message board? I don't understand the reasoning behind posting them on the threads. I guess sometimes folks might want to make sure others who read these posts don't get the wrong idea about them, but it seems to me it just draws more people into the argument. I guess there are some readers who enjoy these little skirmishes, but a lot of us just get turned off by them. It doesn't do any good to trash someone just because you disagree with them. Everyone has a right to their opinion. We can agree to disagree and still respect each other. How about a little more humor and a lot less mudslinging.
Scanner
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-22-2002 12:09 PM
quote:
Centrex News : Public Correction Required
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The following letter has been sent to Mr. Joel Skousen regarding a recent article posted on CentrexNews.com, and is made available to the public as well.
CE Carnicom
Jan 21 2002_______________________________________________________ Mr. Skousen, Thank you for your recent attention to the aerosol issues on www.centrexnews.com (World Affairs - Jan 11 2002(1?)). You have pointed out an important inaccuracy by the journalist Will Thomas within your recent article regarding the formation of contrails with respect to relative humidity. If you investigate the source of these statements by Mr. Thomas, you will likely find that they refer to work that I have conducted on this issue. My work has been misquoted by Mr. Thomas. Mr. Thomas has been requested to correct this statement, and to my knowledge, has never acted upon my request. It remains my desire that this be done, as has been stated publicly. Please refer to the following page in particular:
www.carnicom.com/thomas1.htm I have conducted several studies related to the humidity issue, and numerous models with respect to contrail formation are presented within my research. There is, as you have noted, an important distinction to be made between the conditions of contrail formation vs. cloud formation. In fact, the models available allow for reasonably accurate prediction of contrails down to essentially 0% relative humidity. The conditions for "cloud" formation, artificial or otherwise, are a distinctly separate issue. This has not been accurately presented to my knowledge by Mr. Thomas, regardless of public and private requests that have been made to this journalist. You may further evaluate the evidence and information available at:
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
This letter to you will be made available to the public within my web site, as well as the message board attached to it. My hope is that you will provide a correction to the public as well.
Sincerely, Clifford E Carnicom www.carnicom.com
January 21, 2002
ref : www.joelskousen.com/
Edited by: cecarnicom at: 1/21/02 11:29:20 am
Could somebody please explain to me what the big deal is? Where, exactly, has Mr. Carnicom been misquoted by Mr. Thomas?
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