posted 07-23-2001 01:47 AM            

Maybe I'm lazy, but I have no reason to visit carnycom's board or site...

I'm still trying to figure out what to do with all these black-lights....lol...

posted 07-23-2001 01:58 AM            

Get a cable modem and quit whining, fer chrissake.

posted 07-23-2001 02:15 AM            

If you right click the photo where does it take you ??? Hmmmm ???

Tune in

and watch the name calling...rules apply to moderators too...

posted 07-23-2001 02:44 AM            

You'd think he banned you or something...

posted 07-23-2001 02:47 AM            

post the direct link and, ack ! I....will...look...

you know it is almost impossible to read everything...of course, unless your Jay Reynolds....

posted 07-23-2001 02:58 AM            

btw jackass and carnycom are different references, one is a type o'forced and...jackass is clear..

posted 07-23-2001 12:35 PM            

Think of this photo as a time-lapse snapshot of a day in the life of the Gulf War. The many trails are those of single aircraft or pairs, and their repetitive flight paths are shown by the persistence of the contrails that they are leaving.

On the picture you are looking at, the small racetrack patterns that you are seeing that run parallel to (but just south of) the border are those of the tankers. They are holding just south of the border to give gas to the fighters coming to and from Iraq.

In the east side just north of Kuwait, the horseshoe-shaped tracks that run north-south are those of F-15s that are set up in a DCA (Defensive Counter Air) pattern to protect the HVAA (High Value Airborne Assets) such as the AWACS and RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft. One thing that I find to be interesting is the fact that the contrails that the F-15s leave will disappear and reappear as they enter and exit the north. This is because the threats are to the north, and the pilots are smart enough to climb or descend out of the "con level" when they fly into that region, even though it is 3:00am.

In the west/northwest, the two or three long, wide trails are probably those of Rivet Joint. Because of it's long orbits, there is a noticeably larger space between the trails. They could also be fighters or jamming aircraft remaining south of the border until their time comes to push northward.

You also notice that the trails are mainly centered around the areas where clouds already exist. That tells me that in these areas the weather is conducive for the formation of contrails. Voila! Planes fly through it, and there you go. I guarantee that there are a LOT more planes in this photo that are not leaving contrails.

Now, I'll bet that you're wondering: "Maverick, well then why are the horseshoe-shaped contrails in the east nowhere near clouds? Those are most definitely chemtrails!" Well, no, no and no is the answer to that one. You see, F-15s operate at much higher altitudes than most of the other planes in the theater. It maximizes their fuel efficiency, it gives their radar longer looks, and gives their missiles a lot longer range. But, it also puts them at altitudes that are more likely to produce contrails. So, I would expect to see a contrail or two at their altitude, especially when they are maneuvering like is depicted in this photo.

Maverick

posted 07-24-2001 12:17 PM            

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Think of this photo as a time-lapse snapshot of a day in the life of the Gulf War.

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This is not a time-lapse photo, so why should I think of it as such?

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And NO, there was no spraying going on! I was very aware of the "chemtrail" issue when I was over there (I was already banned from Cliff's) and believe me, I always look for just a hint of spraying going on.

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posted 07-24-2001 02:27 PM            

First of all, this photo IS a time-lapse photo of sorts. In each area, there are similar-looking trails. Take for instance, the racetrack patterns in the south central portion of the photo. These are from a SINGLE plane. The plane uses landmarks or coordinates for it's holding fix. Unfortunately, the medium in which it is travelling (the air) is not stationary, so the pilot has to constantly correct for this. As the pilot follows the ground track for the refueling pattern, the winds aloft blow the contrails downwind. In the picture, what you are seeing is a number of patterns, the farthest downwind being the oldest. This is the meaning behind my statement. I hope that you have no further questions as to the meaning of this.

Second, don't you even try to put words in my mouth about "chemtrails." My point is that I hardly batted an eye at contrails before learning of the alleged "conspiracy." Now, I am looking at every plane that flies overhead, and studying aircraft that I can see very closely. I'm never expecting to see anything that will make me believe in the issue, but you never know. It's the open-mindedness in me, albeit the one that to this day has neither seen nor heard of anything that even remotely resembles a conspiracy or a sprayplane.

The same goes for a few weeks ago when I followed a Delta Airlines 727 on my way out to a MOA. It was conning like a big dog, and all of a sudden it stopped. Then, it started again, just as fast. Does this make Delta Airlines the new culprit, or is this just a normal phenomenon. I vote for the latter, since this isn't the first time that I have seen this from an airliner. I don't think that the contrails lasted too long (5 minutes maybe,) but the sudden starting and stopping for no visible reason is what I'm refuting here.

So, when I was flying behind the KC-135s in southeastern Turkey a few months ago, I wanted to see how long the contrails persisted and where they were being produced on the aircraft. Not because I was looking for a sprayplane, but because I was curious as to whether or not a NON-SPRAYING military aircraft can leave persistent contrails at altitude. The verdict? Yes, they did leave very persistent contrails, and no they weren't spraying.

I hope that this, too answers your questions as to the intent of my post. If not, feel free to "lawyer-ize" the fine print to your heart's content once again. My typing fingers (all two of them) are warmed up now....

Maverick

posted 07-24-2001 10:28 PM            

Now, the photo is stamped at 0300 hrs, Baghdad time. It is not a time-lapse, or a time-lapse 'of sorts'. Exclamation Point.

Hmm. Seems like I've hit a nerve... do they offer counseling for combat pilots? Just curious...!

posted 07-24-2001 11:00 PM            

See Maverick fly
See Maverick see contrails
See Maverick see plane real close
See Maverick see contrails not chemtrails
See Maverick Post on Chemtrail Central
See Chem11 not understand Maverick
See everyone else understand
See Maverick post explanation
See Chem11 still not understanding
See Maverick give up explaining and keep on flying in his airplane
See David not understand either
See Maverick talk in kid talk hoping that David and Chem11 understand
See Maverick say goodbye

"Goodbye"

posted 07-24-2001 11:08 PM            

Clearly, this isn't the case. It should be thought of in terms of what it actually is: a single frame.

I just don't want anyone to get the 'wrong impression' from your inaccurate post, that's all.

posted 07-24-2001 11:16 PM            

Obviously you're still stuck in the semantics of my post to get past the "time-lapse" quote. Here it is:

The trails that all look alike were made by the same plane. To be more specific, the horseshoe-like trails in the east were made by the same SINGLE aircraft, or possibly a pair. The racetrack-shaped trails in the south-central were made all made by a different SINGLE aircraft. The "time lapse" is the rows of parallel trails made by the same SINGLE aircraft that have drifted downwind. The snapshot was taken at a single time, with no actual time lapse. The many contrails that the different aircraft have made and subsequently drifted downwind are what shows the passage of time. Comprende?

I am fully aware of what the different aircraft are because of their locations relative to the border. These are relatively standard places for the different assets to be found at in a combat arena. Do you have any experience in this field, especially to be calling these "chemtrails" with no other evidence than this photo?

posted 07-24-2001 11:43 PM            

The patents clearly state the delivery system in in the after section of the engines.

Btw, you might tell William Thomas about your quote below

Spray booms would be a little too obvious, think?

posted 07-24-2001 11:46 PM            

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Do you have any experience in this field, especially to be calling these "chemtrails" with no other evidence than this photo?

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Yes. I have seen the exact same ultra- persistent contrails on an almost daily basis, starting in 1998. I find it 'odd' that they turned up in a satellite photo in 1991 during a miltary operation over SA and Iraq. Actually it's not odd at all, it's highly persuasive evidence that this is a military operation. It's highly persuasive evidence that this has nothing to do with JP8+100 jet fuel.

And there is a hell of a lot more evidence than this single photograph. Thousands and thousands of photographs. Patents. God only knows how many witnesses.

More than enough evidence to garner a conviction, once those reponsible are brought to justice.

posted 07-25-2001 12:09 AM            

and chem are you on carnicom's payroll or what ?!?!?!?