posted 08-24-2001 05:28 PM            

I'm curious, though... I've only seen a couple people do a 180 on this issue and I think I understand the underlying reasons in both of those cases.

posted 08-25-2001 12:40 AM            

that's a fairly involved question and I can't give you a one liner to describe the switch, but there was a historic exchange between carnicom and dogbreath in 99'...that pretty much did the trick...carnicom's inability to counter accurate data, with anything other than saying "well, what about the aerosol"...spoke volumes to me as chemtrails the implication is more an assumption than a reality...

also, through my own studies using FE,and extensive observation, I can't and have not been able to cast resonable doubt on the explanations of "scientists" who study contrails...

"Chemtrail Trip" at my site explains my entry into this arena...

Who are the others that did a 180 ?

T/S

posted 08-25-2001 11:00 PM            

Actually 3t3 he posted quite alot before that, whether it was the reason he quit posting..dunno...

I'm sure he realized he was out matched, and it could happen again...so he quit...that would be a logical scenario....and also considering the exclusionary practices of mr. carnicom regarding differing opinion, makes even more sense...your always right when no one says your wrong....

chem, Dr. Minnis is a really nice guy, I refuse to let him be demagogued into something he's not...what he is,is the foremost authority on contrails...period...

posted 08-25-2001 11:30 PM            

We just got slammed today, T/S. A damned near white-out after a month and half of albut un-interrupted clear days. People coughing and hacking all over the city, and I am in no mood for debating the credibility of government sponsored debunkers.

If I was being paid by Electronic Arts, exactly how much credibility would I have?

Zip.

Well, that door swings both ways. When somebody from the G shows up on the doorstep and tells concernend citizens that they are partipating in a hoax, that they can't trust their eyes or even basic common sense, that's when I tune out.

I'm sure Minnis is quite knowledgeable on the subject of contrails. His knowledge of covert aerial spray programs leaves much to be desired, however. At least to all outward appearances.

posted 08-26-2001 12:27 AM            

you would notlast 5 minutes in Oklahoma...chem, do you really expect the sky to be blue all the time ?

People coughing and hacking all over the city,

lotza smokers there ?

When somebody from the G shows up on the doorstep and tells concernend citizens that they are partipating in a hoax, that they can't trust their eyes or even basic common sense, that's when I tune out.

this is one of the biggest misconceptions associated with this issue, 1st, Jay way back when contacted (e-mailed) many people in the field of atmoshereic science...no doubt Minnis was one of them...I see nothing sinister there...2nd here's a pic that shows clouds in your area, clouds / contrails...hello ! btw look at the white out over my state...

His knowledge of covert aerial spray programs leaves much to be desired, however.

indeed...may be you have some new info ?

meow

T/S

posted 08-26-2001 12:40 AM            

The sprayjockeys used the chemscum as cover for the fresh trails. Sprayed behind it, then shut off the trails when they emerged into blue sky.

Prett slick, huh? Except... I find it odd that 'commercial airliners' only leave 'normal contrails' behind a layer of cloud cover, man-made or otherwise.

Don't you?

posted 08-26-2001 01:47 AM            

show this to your stinkin' cat...ought to straighten him out...

If not the one at the top of the page here will :
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/cabbits.html

posted 08-26-2001 02:33 AM            

Comprende?

I've seen a lot stranger kittys than your 'cabbits', BTW. There was a pack of feral cats leaving in the marshes next to Lake Union. They had these tiny little stumps for legs, but they were very quick. And very skittish. They looked like tribbles, really. If I could have captured and bred a few of these critters I'd be independantly wealthy. Very cute.

Of course, in a few decades, we'll be able to design our own pets from the ground up. I want a debunker, personally. I'll keep it in a little cage and spray it with various chemicals and demand laboratory analysis and official government disclosure of my alledged 'activities'.

I'll start a message board to mock it's pitiful cries for help.

I'll take pictures of it as it protests it's treatment and make witty little remarks about it's children.

I'm still debating on whether to get a Cydoniaquest or Chickie Deb model... cost of ownership would be a factor... Chickie Deb would be 'high maintanence' and offer little in the way of intellectual stimulation. Cydoniaquest would probably try and off someone and carry a greater threat of communicable disease.

Decisions, decisions.

Hell, I'll get both.

Breed the little monsters and feed them to the Reynolds model...

posted 08-26-2001 02:47 AM            

Did you ever stop to think that in the areas where there are clouds, there would also be conditions more favorable to the production of contrails? And, in the area where there isn't clouds, there would probably not be as many contrails?

So, re-read your statements above and what you are telling us is that you are seeing planes fly into an area of clouds and voila! Contrails. And, then, the plane flies out of the clouds and poof! No more contrails.

Sounds pretty normal to me.

posted 08-26-2001 03:02 AM            

Now, as previously stated, I observed the trails extending beyond the natural cloud cover from whence they originally came... so that doen't work out so well, either.

In any case, I doubt the conditions for forming contrails alter dramtically within a few yards.

Following this chain of logic, we should not expect to see trails form anywhere where clouds are not present, if the conditions for formation of both are identical.