posted 08-23-2001 10:00 AM            

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The antics of ts this week has shown one of the more disturbing aspects of the ICP's mentality.

In the course of an otherwise futile debate about positive thinking, ts demonstrated all of the following:

Lying - by knowingly attributing to me a quote I hadn't made.
Xenophobia - references to me as "a foreigner".
Bigotry - claims that agnostics cannot be trusted.

And after all of the above, it accuses me of "totalitarian elitism". Note to self: look up the word "irony".

Oh, and it accuses me of being a socialist, too. This is obviously the worst slur in its lexicon of abuse.

In a battle of wits, it is unfair to take on an unarmed opponent, so I will forbear from debating ts in the future.

In the meantime, I would like its antics to stand as eloquent testimony to the main strategems of the ICP:

Make a wild unsubstantiated claim.
Refuse to provide any backing evidence.
Attack anyone who queries it.
Increase the ad hominem attack.
Either mangle a quote or fabricate a quote to help your case.
More ad hominem.

Thankfully, another aspects of the ICP's behaviour usually emerges as they lose the fight. In this case, ts has acted entirely typically of an ICP member; when they realise that they are losing the battle, they resort to outright racism, xenophobia and naked sectarian abuse.

ts has shown itself to be a 100% paid up member of the ICP, and deserves their highest accolades.

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posted 08-23-2001 12:37 PM            

"It puts the lotion in the basket... IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!" (shudder)

I'm beginning to wish I had pursued a degree in psychiatry. There's enough material on that board for an entire thesis.

posted 08-23-2001 01:33 PM            

One imagines some Lovecraftian monstrosity stalking Toxdoc during his every waking moment.

IT PUT'S THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!

Sorry folks, I just caught 'Hannibal' on video the other day and I've had my fill of psycho-pathology.

Lecter was a doctor too, ya' know...

posted 08-23-2001 02:10 PM            

I like that reading of it, Lulu.

posted 08-23-2001 03:26 PM            

Chem11, are you referring to Sceptic's post: http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=998577285&user=Earthboundmisfit
Nature notes: a member of the ICP at work
Posted on August 23, 2001 at 09:34:45 AM by Sceptic

Or to toxdoc's post: http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=998255084&user=Earthboundmisfit
Sceptic, may I be so bold as to nominate the second inductee to the Sub Epsilon Moron Hall of Fame ?
Posted on August 19, 2001 at 04:04:44 PM by toxdoc

posted 08-23-2001 03:51 PM            

Epsilons, Greek term Lowest class/caste of the New World Order - Broken down into three sub castes - Epsilon, Epsilon Semi-Moron, and Epsilon Moron. These people are designated to menial jobs, janitors, elevator operators, doormen, garage assistants, sanitation engineer, etc. Specifically conditioned for their positions in society. Specifically conditioned to be happy and content with themselves and their status. Often cloned in vast numbers to create a stable working environment. Intelligence is not required, developed for manual labor. BNW PAGE 15.

posted 08-23-2001 09:38 PM            

Mr. Thermit is correct when he says that both sides in the contrail debate use the same methodologies against people who question or disagree with them. Although a debunker par excellance myself, I am certainly put off by Jay Reynolds' constant sniping at Mr. Cydoniaquest because he (Cydoniaquest) at one time, had DARED to disagree with Reynolds.

But not all debunkers (or chemmies) act in such a way. I personally consider calling someone who disagrees with you on contrails to be "ICP" to be rather tacky, like calling someone who disagrees with you a "sheeple" or "disinformation agent" or "liar".

But we all see that, and the only thing I can try to do is to try to refrain from such
behavior (which is hard) and hope that everyone else does the same thing.

Debunkers are all lying disinformation agents.
Chemmies are all paranoid crazies.
Blacks are all lazy.
Mexicans all steal.
Italians are all in the Mafia.
Germans are all power-mad.

It's all just different verses to the same song.

posted 08-23-2001 11:04 PM            

I was referring to the post by Toxdoc, quoted above. There simply aren't enough hours in the day to keep track of all the insults and misrepresentations that take place within the confines of that forum.

Thermit speaks of vindication when the truth eventually comes out. Our government has done such an amazing job of suppressing various an sundry truths that I wonder if an official pronouncement will ever be forthcoming. This culture of official secrecy is so embedded, and so universally recognized, that I wonder if disclosure is even necessary at this point.

On some level, we already know the truth. All of us. Some are strong enough to face it, others.. are not. Those that choose the path of denial increasingly have my sympathy, if nothing else.

While Reynolds certainly exhibits a fair amount of disdain for those that do not agree with him, I suspect that his dislike for Cydoniaquest is more moral in nature than philosophical.

We are either being sprayed with harmful chemicals, or we aren't. That makes this an enormously important issue and there is little room for flim-flam on either side of the fence. I'm certainly not here to provide entertainment for those that see this issue as a convenient psychological playground.

posted 08-23-2001 11:23 PM            

SYLLABICATION: de·bunk
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of.
OTHER FORMS: de·bunker —NOUN

contrail

SYLLABICATION: con·trail
NOUN: A visible trail of streaks of condensed water vapor or ice crystals sometimes forming in the wake of an aircraft. Also called vapor trail.
ETYMOLOGY: con(densation) + trail.

I couldn't find chemtrail in the dictonary.

Here's a few interesting parts of definintions combined together into a phrase:

insane: Immoderate; wild.

chem("chemical" was substituted): A drug, especially an illicit or addictive one.

posse: A group of people summoned by a sheriff to aid in law enforcement

So, with the above definitions, you guys are all a bunch of renegade anti-drug law enforcement folks.

Now I know who you are. We've got pictures of you at the agency. I took great risk to smuggle these out, but here they are:

posted 08-24-2001 12:56 AM            

I am surprised Toxdoc knew of ICP, which I personally won't listen to blatantly vulgar stuff,right up there with marylin manson...ack..

cool site...
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagepump/archive.php?category=NorthAmerica

posted 08-24-2001 04:09 AM            

Thanks for spelling out the unfairness of name-calling, Duncan. You are a gentleman. May your tribe increase.

This week I learned from toxdoc that he still thinks people who are concerned about a possible intentional pollution of our skies are to be compared with those who make lewd comments to children, and who tell children to "smoke something" and to go out and commit crimes while they are still minors.

I learned from Jay Reynolds that I am a chemmie moron.

I learned from ControlTower that my friends and I avoid science and flood the portion of the bell curve which contains the low IQs.

I learned from Sceptic that people who disagree with him, even though they don't believe in chemtrails, are referred to as "it."

I learned from Sceptic, Chickiedeb and toxdoc that some of my friends at Thermit's board are in the class of people who have no intelligence and who are therefore fit to work in jobs such as janitors, doormen, and garage assistants.

posted 08-24-2001 05:51 AM            

I bumped into a couple guys on the street today. Homeless guys. Veterans of Vientnam. And we got to talking.

We tend to think of exposure to harmful, aerially dipersed chemicals at the hands of our own military as a relatively recent development. For us, perhaps. But not for these folks. They have been living with the effects of these earlier spray programs for the last thirty years.

So I guess I've got some catching up to do. My next research topic is going to be agent orange.

posted 08-24-2001 08:21 AM            

A little history: Thermit opened Chemtrail Central in July, 2000. By March, 2001, debunkers had overrun Chemtrail Central, and Thermit had to ban them in order to get the "chemtrails exist" people to participate significantly on this board. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Thermit.) Because of that, a bunch of us came over from Carnicom's, liked it here, and stayed.

In order to get the debunker side back, to some extent, Thermit opened The Neutral Zone and the Science Forum this summer. But many of the debunkers had become convinced that we were scum and most refused to come. (You notice how I do lots of cutting and pasting of scientific arguments into the Science Forum? That explains a great deal of it.)

I went over to the debunker board to learn "the rest of the story" from the debunkers. For a while that happened, and people were most courteous and civil to me. Lately, however, the board has turned into an extended diatribe against Larry Lawson (hitech 46253) in particular and a flame war against chemtrail believers in general. Ridicule, not reason, is the order of the day.

posted 08-24-2001 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by 3T3L1:
......But I would much rather be associated with people like them than with all the hateful, bitter, elitist folks who say they have special knowledge about what is and isn't happening above our heads.

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So would I. They inhabit BOTH sides of the fence, as do the hateful, bitter, elitist folks who say that they have special knowledge about what is and isn't happening above our heads. There are lots of them here and especially at Cliff's.

Mav

posted 08-24-2001 10:32 AM            

When it comes to "bow down to my feet or I'll delete you", no one tops that title better than CTTUSA's new-age Texan socialist Lorie Kramer.

posted 08-24-2001 02:11 PM            

I think Lorie K has done an amazing job with the tools at her disposal. I haven't posted at CTTUSA (primarily because someone already took my screename) but despite the cumbersome interface, she enjoys a high level of participation and a high quality of information.

posted 08-24-2001 02:39 PM            

So "Chem11" was taken?

posted 08-24-2001 03:12 PM            

T/S, Didn't you used to post on Clfford's old board? I vaguely recall seeing your handle and thinking that 'theseeker' sounded like a believer's log-in... which struck me as odd.

posted 08-24-2001 03:42 PM            

Yeah Lorie got me. She deleted my Swedishoo name, which she wanted to do a LONG time ago but could never catch me.

Lorie hates to get caught with her pants down. Suggestion: Wear underwear.

Yep...lol...I'm one of the Really Old Timers...lol

Before Cliff's board and long before CTTUSA about 25 of us posted at GeeZee's Ground Zero which closed prior to Y2k due to threats. Most of the posters were from NYNY, which was one of the early spots for spraying. Not all cities were being sprayed back then. It was NYNY, Indy, a few parts of Canada, Atlanta, Chicago and Houston came a bit later. When Houston started getting sprayed, is when other boards starting popping up, like CTTUSA. Within 6 months the entire US was being sprayed, including Florida (where I am)

I'll tell ya another Old Timer, was Jay Reynolds. He was at the GZ site before I was.

Christy

posted 08-24-2001 04:48 PM            

Chuck warren had a inside the web board too the pre-cursor to "contrail connection" it was still up until *inside the web* shut down...so..

geezee

contrailsightings

contrail connection

carnicom

that's the way I remember it...

I always had trouble reading geezee's board...it all blended together...I think val valarian posted there too ?...he kind of disappeared at the same time with strangehaze...ah...the memories...

btw chem "believers name"...well I was for about 8 months or so....sure am glad I did not pick "it"...lol...