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Topic: Patrick Minnis of NASA reply to my inquiry into chemtrails | Topic page views:
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 01-19-2002 10:43 PM
I should start off by identifying myself, I am the same BOB B ,senior member,who posted in this forum before...before my computer was invaded and my data trashed.Well I changed my screenname to izerman14 (formerly izerman13 )and apparently all is well...........well, now to get to the point...My research into chemtrail phenomenon led me to Patrick Minnis of NASA.The following is the text of a letter from me to Mr. Minnis, and following that letter is a post of his reply/denial................................. Subj: CHEMTRAILS NAMED AS WEAPON BY US REP., HR BILL2977 Date: 1/17/2002 12:34:43 AM Central Standard Time From: Izerman14 Subj: CHEMTRAILS NAMED AS WEAPON BY US REP., HR BILL2977 Date: 1/17/2002 12:34:43 AM Central Standard Time From: Izerman14 To: p.minnis@larc.nasa.gov GREETINGS ,MR.Minnis /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////......I will keep my comments as brief as possible,as I am aware you must be a busy man . Congressman Dennis Kucinic introduced a bill into congress(HR BILL 2977) which appears to acknowledge the existance of chemtrails as an "exotic weapon" According to my own observations, aircraft ARE spraying or somehow exhausting aluminum oxide and barium sterate,and in some cases biological material. I would like to ask you some questions ,if you wouldnt mind about this .I would like you to know from the begining that this is not an indictment of your integrity or your competence or an accusation of your involvement in illegal activity, as that I suspect is not the case.What I am concerned with is an atmospheric opperation involving tanker aircraft bearing white markings, some with orange also, spraying microscopic particles of metalic dust, chemicals and in some cases unusual biological components.My initial theory on why this widespread spraying was taking place was earth thermal budget managment, ie,an attempt to reflect solar energy and thus lower the surface temperature.This led me to the problem with the Sun.I have live satellite data like (I assume)you of the suns energy output and apparently the sun is way outside of its nominal parameters in magnetic flux, radiation output and proton/electron flux densities. This is obviously not an ordinary solar cycle. Just tell me am I on the right track!! Or are chemtrails, as some have imagined, a secret scalar weapon technolgy which could be used against the American people?? I dont even claim to know exactly what the purpose of chemtrails is, all that i can tangibly report to you concerning thier apparent effects on humans is that they seem to effect the respiratory track, and in some cases, mental functioning.This concerns me deeply as am American citizen, and I would like a rereply from you providing me with the insight I seem to be lacking to piece this puzzle together.......thank you for your time Subj: Re: CHEMTRAILS NAMED AS WEAPON BY US REP., HR BILL2977 Date: 1/17/2002 9:02:46 AM Central Standard Time From: p.minnis@larc.nasa.gov To: Izerman14@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Dear Mr. Izerman, I have been down this road with chemtrail believers many times during the past 2-3 years. I contend that what you and other believers think are "chemtrails" (the definition changes with believer) are nothing other than ordinary persistent contrails. The pictures you sent me, I have seen them many times before, are all forms of contrails, save perhaps the rocket smoke-condensation trails coming out of the clouds in "Untitled 27." I frequently see such displays of contrails overhead here in Virginia. I have no knowledge of any sort of spraying campaign by the government or any other entity other than crop (farmers) and mosquito (government) spraying. The theories put forward to explain contrails thought to be chemtrails lack any physical, economical, or rational basis. Congressman Kucinich apparently did not bother to read his own bill, or if he did, he has little understanding of what the words mean. In either case, it is a poor reflection on Congress.Thanks for your interest. Sincerely, Patrick Minnis .............................................IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL MAKES AN OFFICIAL DENIAL, IT,S BECAUSE YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING..SLAP ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON TO SOMETHING
[Edited 1 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 01-20-2002] 
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 01-20-2002 05:29 PM
Hi BOB B: I think Mr. Minnis speaks untruths out of one side of his mouth and lies out of the other side.  
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Anne
Senior Member
Napa, CA USA 123 posts, Feb 2001
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posted 01-21-2002 09:24 PM
Over the years we have gotten many denials from Mr. Minnis concerning his lack of knowledge over chemtrails. When you read his previous experiments such as SUCCESS, etc. that are listed on the internet they were watching the trails from planes and some also in certain patterns and how they dissiminated. At least he answered you letter. I was ignored when I emailed me several years ago.I do not believe that someone in Congress would write such a bill with all that was included if they did not exist or were being experiments on. The people of the USA have been fooled many times before concerning things being sprayed onto them. Yes, in the 1950 and 1960s many large cities were sprayed with biologicals. Yes, our government did all this. There has not been studies done on the aftermaths of all this. Maybe all the cancers and strange illnesses are caused by these or previous testings on the people of the United States. Keep looking for the answer for it is there. Hopefully we will know in our lifetime. 
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Thermit
Tech

Houston, TX 2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2002 01:43 PM
For whatever it's worth, canex is a member of the Chemtrail Central forums, and probably knows more about contrails than anyone, and they check in on us occasionally.
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA 163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 01-23-2002 06:50 PM
When I was a new chemtrailer posting at Carnicom's Board, I had no idea that the person with the moniker canex previously known as dogbreath, was DR. Minnis. In fact, it was a year later when I had discovered that contrails were contrails, that I was told. I felt pretty foolish after the fact,for arguing with a NASA scientist about a subject that I now consider him to be the world's expert.I think if you visit NASA's website or even just do a Google search on DR. Minnis you will find he and his teams' work invaluable. Let me put it this way - he ain't no slug. 
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 01-23-2002 10:03 PM
What's so special about a NASA scientist, [ the world's expert]??? They lie just as good as anybody else. 
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-24-2002 09:16 AM
Canex AKA dogbreath is Pat Minnis? I didn't know that!
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 01-24-2002 10:14 AM
I thought Duncan may have been MInnis, quess I had that theory WRONG, but then again, maybe not.
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Thermit
Tech

Houston, TX 2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-24-2002 10:19 AM
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I felt pretty foolish after the fact,for arguing with a NASA scientist
Deb, you really shouldn't feel foolish for that. You were on the right track then! 
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA 627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-24-2002 01:31 PM
Maybe Mr Minnis can tell me why I got this visit at my house?NASA, Stennis Space Center (NET-SSC) RA50, Bldg. 1100 Stennis Space Center, MS 39529 US Netname: SSC Netblock: 148.114.0.0 - 148.114.255.255 Coordinator: Cluff, James (JC398-ARIN) james.cluff@SSC.NASA.GOV (228) 688-2249 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: NS.SSC.NASA.GOV 148.114.16.83 LUNA.SSC.NASA.GOV 148.114.7.3 Record last updated on 09-Nov-1998. Database last updated on 23-Jan-2002 19:55:55 EDT. 
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-24-2002 01:40 PM
Dear BobB:Pat Minnis is a PhD: I am still struggling -- at an advanced age -- to chase down my MBA. Pat is well-known throughout the aerospace community as one of the top atmospheric scientists around. He also has a clean white lab coat and undoubtedly makes more money than I. On the other hand, I play guitar and banjo better, am much better-looking, and substantially more modest. But thanks for the compliment LOL! Regards, ------------------ Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA 163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 01-24-2002 06:45 PM
Thermit, the only track I was on was a track to nowhere. Neil Young - "Everybody knows this is nowhere."
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 01-28-2002 09:36 AM
Deb, either the feds got to you or you are one of them,it's hard to tell which, but your function here seems to be the same as Duncan Kunz.You were on the right track, normal contrails dont precipitate rocks, "spider webs" and human blood cells.................
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-28-2002 09:53 AM
Dear BobB,I regret having to inform you that Deb is not the same as I. Although I do work for a large aerospace firm, my real job is with a top-secret Society that really runs the NSA, CIA, FBI, KGB, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. My family has been doing this for centuries, and, as the oldest son of an oldest son, my hereditary position in the Society goes back over six hundred years. Deb, on the other hand, is none of these. She is completely ignorant of the links between my family, Adam Weishaupt, the Skull and Bones, the Masons, Trilateralists, and the NWO. Unlike me, she does not know the truth about the mystick and magick attributes of the numbers eleven, as well as the numbers one through ten and twelve through a bazillion. Again, Deb is completely innocent of such things, so please don't accuse her of any such alliances. She is a reptoid, though. regards, ------------------ Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@home.com Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida 706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-28-2002 11:12 AM
There, there Duncan, don't you feel better now finally admitting it. 
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-28-2002 11:15 AM
Yes, I do; but if you find my half-eaten body surrounded by reptoid-tracks, it will mean that Deb was not appreciative about me blowing her cover LOL.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 01-28-2002 11:35 AM
Duncan, ok ,Ill admit it seems off the wall that such organiztions exist and may have decided to trim the herd, but then again, off the wall seems to be the order of the day, and nothing seems real anymore
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 01-28-2002 02:55 PM
All this talk of "reptoids" feeding on humans has me nervous!!After all, something unusual is developing in my aquarium(read my post about a large amphibian found in texas) as we speak, something which as far as I can sofar determine, is unknown to zoologists.I'll keep you posted, and i will try to get photos of the development on here soon, although the specimens were already past the zygote stage,and were already small ,fish shaped creatures swimming withen their eggs when we discovered them
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA 163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 01-28-2002 09:59 PM
Bob,Having been banned about a year ago from here for being a person who disagreed on the subject, I am a guest so I try to be as gracious as a hungry reptoid can possibly be. Here's my research (sorry, I'm a little behind getting current pages up) http://cdebsjournal.topcities.com/leadpage.htm and my website (free)http://worldzone.net/international/chickiedeb/ My e-mail address: cdebgo22@hotmail.com I live in the first suburb west of Indianapolis, near the airport. I won't publish my phone number because I hate the phone. And I am just a housewife from Indiana. I've never met a "fed" unless you consider people in the military or postal workers as "feds." There are many false stories about me on these message boards. Sorry to hear about your rock incident, but if it came from a plane, it would be interesting to hear how. Spider webs falling from the sky have been around and reported long before either you or I were a thought - http://www.weird-wi.com/oddities/cobwebs.htm I had my first spider web experience a few months ago, and if it happens again, I will eat one on videotape, because they are spiderwebs. As for the blood cells in the sample, the person who made that report is not qualified to make such a judgement and has yet to produce a certitfied lab sample of anything. People qualified to make that judgement, based on the photos of the slides, disagree. I'm open for questions, but it's best to e-mail me because I don't get over here that often. 
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S. 499 posts, May 2001
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posted 02-02-2002 05:58 PM
Amazing folks. TrickyDeb defies all REALITY yet again. Sp SORRY! Those 4-8' strands were NOT spiderwebs falling from the skies here in Indiana despite what the TV PROPGAGANDA news or PROPAGANDA Deb says. When the strands fell here in Indiana on November 3, I noted it in our newsletter at this URL:Spinning Spider Stories summary at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/1026 As to the spider STORIES, let's remind people that these strands were seen in this fashion when CHEMTRAILS first were heavily reported beginning in late '98. Last year these were noted heavily in TX then later here in IN after NATO planes were patrolling our skies to keep U.S. 'safe.' Here are some interesting PROPERTIES of these strands vs. REAL spider material. THINK ABOUT THIS! We're TOLD that these strands were from 'gossamer' spiders. Perhaps you've read the story "Charlotte's Web" where the babies shoot webs in the air and take off in the world. Spiders can spin 2 types of web material. Sticky or not sticky. The type used for 'flying' obviously is NOT STICKY. I've SEEN spiders do this. They shoot a few strands up and the wind catches them and they take off. The strands they shoot are 2' at their LONGEST! My wife and I were traveling N on SR231 in IN. Almost every roadsign held up by 2 posts had CHEMTRAIL STRANDS caught on the posts. We stopped at a small shopping mall and I stopped to gather some of the strands. They were up to 9 FEET in length! They all were WHITE and lightly tacky with the properties of silly string. Some of this material stuck to the roof of the car. It was a MUCH GREATER DIAMETER than any spider would have spun. Within 1 day, the material had dried out. The strand on the car roof had faded to clear and become dry and brittle. So brittle, that when touched it turned to powder. Similar accounts are found for the initial material found in late '98 during initial CHEMTRAIL sightings. No, Deb and the media are SPINNING us stories again. She is very much in DENIAL. For if these were real 'spider webs' their PROPERTIES would have remained CONSTANT! Yep, you can have a web in your home in a corner and it might gather dust, but it's not going to CHANGE SHAPE, SIZE, STRENGTH! Spider webs are known for their amazing strength. Wet or dry this crap was WEAK! And given the initial diameter of the material, it should have been VERY STRONG IF it had been real spider web. IT WASN'T! And....WHERE WERE ALL THE SPIDERS??? With all this stuff falling from the sky, you'd think I'd have seen quite a few. NOPE! Nobody else that I talked to did EITHER! So DRY UP TrickyDeb! She's real consistent in her MIS-DIRECTION and LIES! I'm very much looking forward to that time God Himself hands out rewards and she gets hers. God doesn't look kindly on those that LIE to support this sick New World Order. I very much think she'll regret her efforts for ... oh ETERNITY! What we've had here was physical PROOF of this material. A logical conclusion is that a spray plane put online had faulty or mal-adjusted spray nozzles. This allowed the material to fall in whole strands verses being blasted into tiny ALMOST invisible particulate. The refined 'process' generates tiny fibers that CAN be seen under fluorescent tube blacklights or as Clifford shows here: http://www.carnicom.com/bio4.htm This tiny particulate MATCHES the physical properties of these 'strands' on November 3 except they are but tiny pieces instead of a long strand. 
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S. 499 posts, May 2001
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posted 02-02-2002 05:59 PM
Minor note. The URL for the November 3, 2001 newsletter where we first noted these strands is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/955 
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S. 499 posts, May 2001
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posted 02-02-2002 06:13 PM
Oh, just re-read Debs bit again. As far as having never met a 'FED.' Well, she told my wife and I she felt the FEDs had showed up in a white car with blacked out windows in her drive one night. She said she'd blocked the car from getting out, banged on the window and the guy inside rolls his window down and backs out over bushes to get away. Now she told both my wife AND me this in a Perkin's restaraunt there in Plainfield. It's shortly AFTER this that she does a 180' on her CHEMTRAIL 'beliefs.' I'm being 'nice' here. I'm a bit more vocal on my own newsletter. We feel there's definetly some kind of 'agenda' afoot here. When I began posting material on her 'debunkster' site, she accused me of 'stalking' her and thought that might frighten me away from sharing information there. BTW, those with BRAINS KNOW that many scientists and so-called 'experts' are paid to LIE to support a particular aim or agenda. So automatically supporting an opinion from a PAID GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE as absolute truth is ludicrous! NOTE how she consistently puts her 'faith' into a government that has betrayed and MURDERED its people over and over again. HELLO!??? Our 'beloved' pres is about to put 350,000 FOREIGN NATO troops on our highways for ROADBLOCKS and CHECKPOINTS at the same time they're going to draft your sons and daughters and sacrifice them fighting for OIL!!! See anything wrong with this picture? These are the same reprobate minds performing ILLEGAL IMORAL CHEMTRAIL operations. 
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 02-08-2002 01:02 AM
Oh Doctor Minnis, what's wrong with this picture? Blair Witch Project anyone?
[Edited 3 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 02-08-2002] 
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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 02-08-2002 03:17 AM
Someone has probably mentioned this before, so forgive me if repeat it - Wasn't there a Native American prophesy about the end times, that said one of the signs would be cobwebs in the sky?
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 02-08-2002 04:25 AM
I picked this off a site called OmegaA, not sure if it's accurate but it seems pretty close to what I remember."Before the time of the great Purification, they will make metal roads for iron horses and hang metal ropes in the air." - "First they will bring back pieces of the Moon which will upset the balance and unleash disastrous forces." - "Near the day of the Great Purification, there will be cobwebs spun back and forth in the sky." - "The Purification will begin shortly after humans build a great house in the sky. By then there will be fires everywhere and greedy, selfish, power-mad leaders, internal wars." pre-Colombian Hopi prophecies http://www.deoxy.org/omega.htm
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