posted 02-13-2002 11:40 PM            

Complaints about the "Kokomo Hum" began in 1999, when a handful of local residents began to report a constant low-pitched rumbling noise. They say they developed a range of mysterious health problems soon after, including dizziness, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, joint and muscle pain, nosebleeds, and excruciating, unending headaches.

Follow this link for more:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/kokomohum020213.html

posted 02-14-2002 10:02 AM            

Especially during flu season -
http://www.fluwatch.com/index2.html

. . . . .the situation will improve as milder weather keeps people on the move and away from enclosed public spaces, which tend to be breeding zones.
http://www.indystar.com/article.php?pneumonia20.html

posted 02-14-2002 03:18 PM            

Re: Deb's Post

That's not surprising Deb. You've proven you're consistently CLUELESS about a great many things. I think it's probably helped by a FEDeral paycheck somehow. We'll let God Himself sort that out at the end of the age however. Actually I'd be surprised if they WERE paying you now. Your opinion has been so consistently been proven off base by THE EVIDENCE you so granite rock headedly REFUSE to accept as factual. AND by government admissions themselves that they ARE spraying for various reasons. That I sincerely DOUBT you would be having any effect on swaying ANYbody's opinion these days.

Face it Phalen, we've got a SATANIST for a president and he's using every trick in their black book to bring this country and people DOWN. I don't want to be near you on Judgment Day unless He's going to let me have the honor of dropping you in the pit PERSONALLY!

He's a God of Love, but also of JUSTICE!
And in His record, He says if you reject TRUTH, you reject Him.

NOT a good nor wise thing to do.

posted 02-15-2002 10:11 AM            

All Deb did was post some evidence that she thought that the illness could have been caused by something other than 'chemtrail' pollution and you immediately insult her and tell her that her attitude is uncaring -- which was completely uncalled for.

I don't know whether Deb is childless or has seven kids; whether she is mother-of-the-month or a drunken child-beater. I don't know anything about your motherhood credentials, either.

Absent any information, though, I assume that you're both caring parents; and feel the same pain and worry when your kids -- or any kid -- is sick.

I would hope that any caring person -- parent or otherwise -- would not immediately attack someone else, just because that person happens to believe different things about chemtrails, politics, religion -- or, for that matter, the best recipe for chocolate-chip cookies.

I have seen other negative comments from other people on these boards which I -- and, I hope, Deb -- simply shrug off, knowing their moral caliber and mental state.

But you are better than that.

posted 02-15-2002 10:51 AM            

Who are you to chastise anyone for making sincere and obviously heart-felt statements about someone like 'deb'? You know the history of all these members as well as anyone. You yourself have made some very unpleasant remarks and allegations about members here as we all know. Let's try to be fair about this DK.

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BTW Herbivore,

posted 02-15-2002 11:03 AM            

That is also an interesting study in human behaviour...

posted 02-15-2002 12:53 PM            

Dead or alive?
A military biowarfare training program alarms nearby residents -- especially when the Army can't keep its story straight. http://www.salon.com/health/feature/2000/11/02/germ_warfare/index.html
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By Terry J. Allen

Nov. 2, 2000 | The release of bacteria into the air as part of a biological weapons training program at a military base in Missouri has sparked alarm in the surrounding area -- and the Army's belated acknowledgement that it was using a live rather than a dead variant of the bacteria has exacerbated the situation.

The bacteria, bacillus subtilis, is being used to simulate an attack with the deadly disease anthrax. B. subtilis is not generally considered harmful, but some evidence suggests that it can cause infections and flu-like symptoms for individuals with compromised immune systems. When local residents and officials learned recently about the spraying, officials at Fort Leonard Wood told the public and members of the media that the bacteria being used had been killed through a process called irradiation.

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When Salon requested documentation last week to verify the irradiation claim, base spokesman Derik Crotts said he would get the records. Two days later, another official, Col. Alan Hardy, commander of the 3rd Chemical Brigade, called back and acknowledged that the bacteria was, in fact, live.

The Army apparently also gave the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, which last year issued permits allowing the training programs, conflicting information about B. subtilis. "They originally told us it was dead, then they told us they are not sure, and then told us it is not [dead]," said Roger Randolph, director of Missouri's air pollution program.

In fact, virtually no members of the public were aware until recently that spraying was taking place at all at the U.S. Army Chemical School program on the base. Though the military posted required notices in newspapers and held public meetings to discuss the training program last year, it did not disclose that spraying of bacteria into the air was part of the plan. Base officials say they had no intention of misleading anyone and stress that they included the information in an environmental impact statement -- a massive document on file at local libraries that few people would know to seek out.

That document also discloses that the deadly nerve gas sarin -- the toxin released by the Aum Shinrikyo cult into the Tokyo subway system that killed 12 and sickened thousands -- is used for chemical warfare training at the fort as well. The sarin tests take place indoors in completely secure facilities and pose no danger to the public, say base officials.

Last week, Joyce Riley vonKleist, president of the American Gulf War Veterans Association, helped organize a meeting in Versailles, 50 miles from Fort Leonard Wood. Some of those at the meeting, which was attended by hundreds of people, demanded that the Missouri Department of Natural Resources revoke the base's permit allowing the training.

For activists like Riley vonKleist, a former captain in the Air Force, the conflicting information disseminated by the military is part of a pattern of Pentagon coverups over exposure of U.S. military personnel to chemical and biological hazards, including nuclear testing, Agent Orange used as a defoliant during the Vietnam War and toxic agents during the Gulf War that many believe caused the widespread medical complaints known as Gulf War Syndrome.

VonKleist said she objects to the training even if the bacteria is dead. "We don't care if the stimulant is irradiated or not," she said. "We don't want to be any part of any experimentation."

Anthrax has been weaponized by various countries as a biowarfare agent. While B. subtilis, also known as bacillus globigii, physically resembles anthrax and fools the Army's detection equipment, it is generally considered safe and is often found in decomposing vegetable matter.

However, officials at another base planning to run a similar program assured the public that they would use only dead bacteria and raised the possibility of health problems associated with the live agent. Officials at Fort Polk in Louisiana issued a "dear concerned public" letter in which they tried to allay residents' fears by posing and answering questions -- including one which asked if the testing created any environmental risks.

"Virtually none," stated the letter. "The training will involve the use of dead spores of this bacterium ... There have been rare cases where the live microorganism has been isolated from infection sites in persons with severely compromised immune systems. However, the use of dead spores precludes any such problems."

Missouri residents learned in August that the Fort Leonard Wood program included bacteria spraying after the proposed training in Louisiana drew public fire. Army officials there responded that similar exercises had already been safely held in Missouri. The chemical detection and training exercises are part of a five-week course held a few times a year at the base. The course prepares some 60 soldiers to operate the biological integrated detection system (BIDS), which can be used in the event of a germ-warfare attack. After discovery of the extent to which Iraq had developed and weaponized disease agents such as anthrax, U.S. officials expedited deployment of the detection system.

Another BIDS program planned for Los Alamos, N.M., was curtailed last year after citizens raised concerns over B. subtilis spraying.

According to Leonard Cole, a Rutgers University political scientist and an expert on germ warfare tests, low concentrations of B. subtilis pose no threat to healthy individuals, but high concentrations could engender health problems, including flu-like symptoms and eye and organ infections. Those at risk include "the immunocompromised -- the very old and young, people receiving radiation or chemotherapy or people with HIV," he said. "Studies show B. subtilis has an unusual capability of genetic transformation that some scientists suggest can make it a carrier of disease-causing viruses."

Brad Perkins, the chief of Fort Leonard Wood's decontamination division, was adamant that the program presented no risk to the public. "The likelihood of an immunocompromised person in the training area was pretty slim," he said.

However, when asked if the bacteria could spread beyond the fort grounds, Patricia Nilo, commandant of the Chemical School program where the training is taking place, said, "Yes, it is possible."

posted 02-15-2002 01:52 PM            

United States Senate Testimony before the Committee on Veterans' Affairs May 6, 1994

Open Air Testing with Simulated
Biological and Chemical Warfare Agents

By Leonard A. Cole, Ph.D.

My name is Leonard A. Cole, and I teach science and public policy at Rutgers University in Newark. My research interests include biological and chemical warfare policies, and I have written in particular about testing done in the U.S Army's biological defense program.

I appreciate your invitation, Senator Rockefeller, to testify about experiments involving simulated biological and chemical warfare agents. These agents, which the army calls simulants, are intended to mimic more lethal bacteria and chemicals that might be used in actual warfare.

As described in my book, Clouds of Secrecy, the army began a program in 1949 to assess the nation's vulnerability to attack with biological weapons. During the next 20 years, the army released simulant agents over hundreds of populated areas around the country. Targets included portions of Hawaii and Alaska, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, New York City, Washington, D.C., Key West, and many other cities. The purpose was to see how the bacteria spread and survived as people went about their normal activities.

Evidence suggested that the tests may have been causing illness to exposed citizens. Nevertheless, as army spokesmen subsequently testified, the health of the millions of people exposed was never monitored because the army assumed that the bacteria and chemicals were harmless. More here:
http://www.trufax.org/research3/contrails.html#senate

posted 02-15-2002 08:40 PM            

>>People are very concerned about their children," said Peninsula Superintendent Jim Coolican. "We say its not a long-term problem, but people say, `How do you know? How do you know it won't be a problem for my child 10 years from now?"'<<<

Mysterious School Rash Spreading

PHILADELPHIA February 15, 2002 — Hundreds of youngsters in at least seven states have broken out in a mysterious rash, and some health investigators suspect it might be caused by a new or yet-to-be-identified virus.
The red, itchy rash appears to be more an annoyance than a serious health threat, but it has managed to temporarily close schools, worry parents and frustrate school administrators, for whom answers have been elusive.
Students in Pennsylvania, New York, West Virginia, Virginia, Ohio, Oregon and Washington state have complained about rashes on the face, arms, legs and body. For the most part, the rash goes away when the students leave school.

"For something like this to occur almost simultaneously in different parts of the country is, to my knowledge, unprecedented," said Dr. Norman Sykes, who examined about 30 suburban Philadelphia students who came down with the rash this month.
The red, itchy rash appears to be more an annoyance than a serious health threat, but it has managed to temporarily close schools, worry parents and frustrate school administrators, for whom answers have been elusive.
Students in Pennsylvania, New York, West Virginia, Virginia, Ohio, Oregon and Washington state have complained about rashes on the face, arms, legs and body. For the most part, the rash goes away when the students leave school.

"For something like this to occur almost simultaneously in different parts of the country is, to my knowledge, unprecedented," said Dr. Norman Sykes, who examined about 30 suburban Philadelphia students who came down with the rash this month.

In the Quakertown Community School District, where nearly 170 students at all nine schools were confirmed to have the rash, an environmental company collected air and water samples and examined carpets, floor mats, vacuum bags and clothing, but all tested negative for contaminants.

"We may never know what this thing is," said Quakertown Superintendent Jim Scanlon.

Most school systems have ruled out an environmental cause, but not the Peninsula School District in Gig Harbor, Wash., where more than 50 students and teachers complained about a rash.cont here...
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/21502_nw_rash.html

posted 02-15-2002 09:02 PM            

The only thing I questioned was the demographics in relation to the State of Indiana.

posted 02-16-2002 06:42 PM            

**Flu-like***outbreak closes 2 area schools, as fevers and cough syrup sales go on the rise

By Rhashad Pittman
Of The Post-Dispatch
Phyllis Brasch Librach And Shane Anthony Of The Post-Dispatch Contributed To This Report.

* Many doctors also are diagnosing a virus that causes respiratory infection.
snip;
>>As routine head colds and flu spread throughout the area, doctors are diagnosing a lot of Respiratory Syncytial Virus. The virus causes respiratory infection and can be dangerous to the elderly, infants and people with chronic lung disease. The virus causes flu-like symptoms.

Children with the virus have packed the emergency room at St. Louis Children's Hospital, said pediatrician Douglas Carlson. The hospital is seeing 50 to 75 children a day with the virus.

"We see this every year," he said. "But this is a particularly bad year."

Difficulty breathing, wheezing and loss of appetite are some of the symptoms of children with the virus.

posted 02-16-2002 08:34 PM            

Infectious Diseases in the News - 18 January 2002

Outbreak of flu-like illness in a Cornwall
comprehensive school

There has been some media interest this week in an outbreak of flu-like illness in a comprehensive school in Cornwall. Approximately 512 pupils, aged 13-16 years old, out of a school of 1100 have been affected and are suffering with respiratory symptoms.
Initial tests carried out by the PHLS for influenza were negative, however further testing for influenza is ongoing. A second outbreak of this size has also occurred in a school in Scotland and results on specimens taken this week are awaited.
The latest weekly flu report from the PHLS is still showing a low level of activity countrywide compared to levels observed in previous years. Other respiratory infections also remain at a low level apart from acute bronchitis, which has increased over the past week, but still remains within the levels expected for the time of year. http://www.phls.co.uk/news/bulletins/2002/020118id.htm

posted 02-23-2002 01:28 PM            

FACTS ARE that since late 1998 when the polymer fibers began infilltrating our air from these damnable planes that respiratory problems increased at dramatic rates.

FACTS ARE that whenever these planes dump their crap in significant amounts, spikes of respiratory illness are reported in those areas.

Facts are you have proven yourself a lying sack of CRAP. Our government has already ADMITTED in various formats that they ARE SPRAYING for a variety of covert military purposes.

FACTS IS, YOU don't have a SHRED of credibility to your name dear Deb! Your shrill line against any belief in CHEMTRAILS and your government party line against 'militia' groups speaks volumes about where YOU stand.

Interesting how in my CHEMTRAIL FLYER put out by the THOUSANDS and posted last March, accurately predicted the FEDs would STAGE a chem/bio event and try to BLAME 'militia' groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/61

posted 02-23-2002 03:30 PM            

BTW, Larry, I thought you took Saturdays off for your sabath?

As for your article originally posted, I read it critically and presented a critical opinion. I don't jump to conclusions, and I don't believe someone else's point of view without thoroughly examining the facts and evidence. There's nothing trickey about it, or evil - just common sense.