posted 03-03-2002 04:38 PM            

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Often what you see is a solar reflection from a curved area of the fuselage or wing. This would only be a point source, and atmospheric interference could make it into a fuzzy ball-shaped thingy.

The contrail, on the other hand, could subtend four or five minutes of an arc, and, due to its size, is not impacted as drastically by atmospheric interference. That is why you can have a fuzzy ball for the aircraft (or the glint of reflected sunlight) and a reasonably well-defined contrail.

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Well, I suggest you provide an example of this 'atmospheric interference' causing planes to turn into silver spheres theory of yours Mr. Kunz. Shouldn't be too difficult, considering your photographic expertise, should it? I've never heard of such a thing and I eagerly await any evidence you can provide to back up your assertion.

I've seen hundreds, maybe thousands of photographs taken under similar conditions and somehow the planes turned out looking like planes, 'atmospheric interference' and all.

Of course you are ignoring the repeated eye-witness accounts that have been provided on this thread, as well.

posted 03-03-2002 05:30 PM            

I'm seeing the trails, but no planes at times this is correct. I am also at times seeing the plane lay "persistent trails" on the same day as noisy planes leaving comet like normal trails. The persistent trial planes were audible but not nearly as loud as that of the higher altitude smaller looking commercial looking planes.

Sorry, I don't have much time but wanted to clarify that point for accuracy. I think you have a terrific pic of something (orb) other than an airplane that we know it producing a "contrail".

posted 03-04-2002 06:58 AM            

Thermit said: "Also I think that some of the photos presented of the orbs, are just photographic artifacts. The trick is descerning what is what."

Looking again at the Yakadoo photos from NM,
the orbs in front of the cirrus (disipating contrails) are far below the clouds. They would have been quite large and visible when the photo was taken, so the question is, did they show up after the film was developed? Like many of the orb photos?

As luck would have it, I was watching a program last night and in one scene, an orb showed up, just for a second. Even luckier was that I was taping the program for my son.
And it looked just like the ones in the NM photo.

>>The last time I saw one of these puppies it was keeping pace with two chemjets that were flying neck and neck over Tampa. The sphere was slightly behind and slightly underneath the two jets. It either accelerated out of the area at tremendous speed or simply 'vanished'. So, yeah... these aren't 'weather ballons' or something equally prosaic."<<

posted 03-04-2002 12:48 PM            

I just happened to be relaxing in my yard and looking up at the sky, which was nearly cloudless. I noticed this small silver object in the sky moving slowly in a northeasterly direction. I say that it was small only because of its apparent altitude and that I could cover it with my thumb at arms length. It took approximately 5 minutes to cross the sky. After traveling NE for 5 minutes, it suddenly reversed its direction and began to travel SW. If the orb had made a trail it would have appeared as a check mark meaning that the orb did not travel back in exactly the same direction that it had come from. The orb, after 5 minutes of traveling on its new course, suddenly stopped and remained motionless for approximately 20 minutes and then faded from sight.

posted 03-04-2002 01:21 PM            

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In a concerted effort to keep up, I tried the first of Chem's Video's (Chris Martin) and got this: RealSystem Messages
Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or inaccurate.

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It works fine for me. Part of you problem may be that it is not a RealVideo file. It's a mpeg. Use Windows Media Player, try again and please quit whining. I'm not tech support and I run on the assumption that people know how to operate a computer an are aware of the ins-and-outs of using the internet.

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Do you have any of your own research, photos, etc. any where? So far, all I've seen from you personally are cut and pastes and your expounding of other people's work. In your experience above, were you using binoculars? Did you get a photo? Have you seen such a thing before you moved to Tampa?

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Neither did I come here to discuss internet publishing. Megasprayer is a weblog. The idea is to gather the best stories and research from all available sources and put them under one-roof in a timely fashion. It is this variety that attracts a large-cross section of readers and furthers the mission of raising awareness. My own research is focused on gathering the best available evidence and seeing if any connection can be made (and it usually can) to advanced military applications. If that doesn't suit your taste, I'm sure we can stand to lose the traffic.

This thread was not started to be a platform for your personal grievances or a discussion of personal publishing or basic internet skills.

The answers to your other questions have been answered by myself repeatedly on other forums and if you wish to sincerely explore the topic, you won't have to look far.

Since I doubt this is the case, and since I have no wish to enable your tried-and-true debunking via distraction scheme, I will leave it to CTC members to make up their own minds, based on the evidence presented, analysis of that evidence and witness testimony.

posted 03-04-2002 04:59 PM            

Camera details:
OLYMPUS D-620L Digital Camera
1.4 Megapixel Progressive CCD
3x Optical Zoom
Shutter Exposure Range 1/4 to 1/10000 sec.
For orb and trail shot exposure near top of the range (1/4000 sec. or faster)
The going price at time of purchase $1,000 (3+ years ago).
Camera World the place of purchase remains one of the best values around.

Thanks for the correction FLKook! I do know what you mean about the quieter (lower) planes leaving the persistent trails.

msswv...I would love to see your pics. If you don't want to post would you consider e-mailing to me? Thanks!

amber and Dan, thanks so much for your posts. Seems many of us here have witnessed orbs! I think we know the difference between an orb and a plane!

Will post more on this later as I just got home, but have to run back out.

posted 03-04-2002 09:05 PM            

Chem, you're the one distracting by your childish reproach. I never claimed to be a computer whiz. At least my work is original.
Why can't you discuss and answer the questions without flaming? Why can't you present tangible evidence without flaming? Why do you have to take a discussion and ruin it with your personal vendettas?

posted 03-06-2002 01:10 PM            

I just looked up the name of the documentary in the TV Guide and it will be airing again on the 9th at 3:00 PM my time if anyone is interested.

posted 06-26-2002 02:27 AM            

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Now let’s go to the flight equipment assembly room, and meet a robot called Air Cam. The Air Cam is a free-flying robotic camera. It weighs 35 pounds, and is about the size of a basketball.

The Air Cam is designed to be operated remotely by an astronaut from the space shuttle or the international space station. It’s propelled by small nitrogen jets and carries two video cameras.

During this test, the Air Cam was manually released by Vinstins Squat during his space walk, and then controlled from inside the shuttle by Steve Lindsey. Steve tested the Air Cam’s maneuverability by flying it around the vicinity of the shuttle’s cargo bay. Its cameras performed very well, providing some rather unique views.

Air Cam is almost magical. It can be positioned anywhere and at any angles. It can then be used to inspect and provide camera views of places that cannot be seen by the fixed cameras.

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posted 06-27-2002 05:36 AM            

That large pic posted below by Lulu is not an Aircam.

That image has been misrepresented by someone, and here's why:

The proper way it should be viewed is by rotating the image 90 degrees left, because it is a still taken from a video which appeared on the net around maybe two years ago.

An amateur cameraman was filming some kind of debris falling from the sky which was burning. At the time, it was assumed to be a sattelite re-entering Earths atmosphere. Anyway, the guy filmed it until it disappeared.

He was obviously very excited by this and was discussing it with his wife, when they noticed the pictured object streaking across the sky diagonally to his left, so obviously, they filmed that.

It didn't look like any jet aircraft that I've seen, but then again, I'm no expert. It was also moving extremely fast.

Now, I haven't seen this footage discussed since it first appeared and I've been unable to locate the footage so far, but I do remember that it was in Realplayer format and may have appeared on some TV Stations website.

I'm currently trying to locate this footage, so if anyone can even remember it, I would be grateful.