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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-08-2002 09:18 AM
   
http://www.artbell.com/contrails2.html 
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...A pod, or nacelle, is clearly seen to have been added on the plane to the fuselage near the nose, on the starboard side. That pod released a FIFTH trail, above the level of the wings, rearward; the engines left the usual 4 trails. The same plane made repeated passes over Tucson and a point about half-way to Phoenix, for a period of over 3 1/2 hours!, the same ground-track, all the while laying down the same dense white persistent trails, which had strange coherence and straightness and cohesiveness, unlike ANY trails I have ever seen or photographed in some 40 years as a photographer of aircraft and sky phenomena.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-08-2002 05:58 PM
Great picture! strange coherence and straightness and cohesiveness Fascinating...
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-09-2002 12:47 PM
Opinions? T/S, you have an comment?...
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plutobeach
New Member
South FL
17 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-09-2002 04:49 PM
Typical fear mongoring by those who have an interest in making money off conspiracy theories.On first glance, it looked to me like a typical flying testbed for smaller, business jet, regional jet jet engines. Engine manufacturers buy or lease beat up old airliners, like the old 707's, then bolt engines onto them for airborne testing. GE tested the massive 777 engine on an old 747. The original 747 engine was bolted onto a B52. Many smaller engines are tested like the picture above. Most likely the aircraft in question was based somewhere in the southwest area. Good weather for airborne flight test. My bet it is based in Phoenix Arizona. Any chance this picture could be it?
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=065528 here is another working for Pratt& Whitney
http://ncas.ottawa.com/2000/fly/b720.htm You are looking at engine flight test, nothing more
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-09-2002 04:57 PM
Thanks, plutobeach, that is likely it. Never seen that before.Where did the "fear mongoring" come in? I didn't notice any.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-09-2002 05:35 PM
would this be "fear mongering" with photoshop ?this one from don's house of erotic rabbit toys...  ------------------
T/S
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-09-2002 07:42 PM
Don't think so T/S.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-09-2002 08:19 PM
Great photo's from Seeker and Thermit. Thanks
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-09-2002 08:24 PM
I was being a bit of a smart ass Thermit...I had this one on my site for a month.. interesting how it comes right from the source...  ------------------
T/S
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plutobeach
New Member
South FL
17 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-09-2002 10:32 PM
Yes, fear mongering.A little simple research could have provided a plausible explanation. I would have expected much more from Bell and others who claim to be involved with "research" on this subject. Nice pictures of the wake turbulence studies. We crossed the wake of a 747, never closer than 20 miles to the other plane, and still it felt like hitting a large log driving on an interstate. Not real pleasant.
Does anyone ever wonder why there aren't any pictures of these "sprayers" on the ground?
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 03-10-2002 11:06 AM
Give us time plutobeach. I got a pretty good look at 2 of them flying low adjusting their air speed. Of course they weren't spraying at the time, but they were acting real suspicious, flying low almost side by side at slightly different altitudes, slowing down at exactly the same time as they were passing above me. One of them had 2 wing mounted engines and the other had 4. Both were the same color with identical markings on their tails. They were traveling in a normal southbound commercial corridor but were not the normal type of craft that we usually see here.Later that day, 2 jets made this curious mark in the sky north of my house.  As I have mentioned in other posts, one of the jets made a short trail, actually turning something on and off to make the trail and a second one made another trail and stopped spraying very close to where the first one had stopped. - The trails did not come from the wings. Due to this event, I now carry a camcorder as well as my digital cameras.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 03-10-2002]
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 03-10-2002 12:12 PM
The point that both jets stopped spraying was approximately 4 miles north of my location. Now though it may just be a coincidence, there is a 110 foot communications tower that is owned by the fire company there. Has anyone done a study of the mapping of electromagnetic anomalies using satellites and alluminum oxide? Maybe there's another instrument package on the GOES satellites that we don't know about. I know that they were interested in one anomaly that was caused by an abandoned Iron ore mine in the Hudson Valley. Unfortunately for them, my colleague and I were conducting tours of archaeological sites in the area and made it a point to show everyone the locked gate and the jeep tracks. My colleague thought it kind of odd that every time he set foot on the property, that the local authorities were there in a matter of minutes. After a while, they either gave up or collected whatever data that they needed and pulled out of there in a hurry.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 03-10-2002]
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WiseQuakker
Senior Member
Mt. Vernon, WA, USA
141 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 03-12-2002 04:32 AM
Beware, Seeker... Those may not be peppercorns you grind over your next salad...
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“When walking amongst predators, never lose awareness of your surroundings. By itself, science tells us what should be. Only tempered with clinical observation and common sense, does it tell us what really is......”
— The Quakk
[Edited 2 times, lastly by WiseQuakker on 03-12-2002]
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA
163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 03-12-2002 06:30 AM
Dan, have you or any one in your group subscribed to Flight Explorer yet? It's the only way you are going to be able to understand the planes and what they are doing when you see them.For example, you say 2 stopped "spraying" at the exact same time. Although at least 1,000 feet apart in altitude, they both may have been descending at the same time and at the same speed starting an approach to one of the major airports. Or they may have exited a pocket of RH. The only way to ascertain IF planes are "spraying" anything is to get FE and watch them in real time. "Spraying" indicates a deliberate activity; contrails are a natural occurence when exhaust meets weather conditions.
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-12-2002 12:55 PM
Please show a little compassion Deb
and spare us this tiring redundancy
of Flight Explorer.Mark's been there - done that as you
would say. Let common sense prevail.........
Flight Explorer is a dead issue, peddle
your wares elsewhere - the chemnoids
aren't buying.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-12-2002 01:10 PM
I agree using FE is a fantastic idea, but, readers are starting to receive blunt trauma to the brain from the repetition. We already have a whole page dedicated to Flight Explorer, not counting the Research page using Flight Explorer, and the Unidentifiable page showing photos of (most likely) military jets and their highly persistent trails, confirmed to not be normal traffic using Flight Explorer.
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 03-12-2002 01:12 PM
Deb, my team and I are working out in the field most of the time leaving 1 or 2 to monitor radio communications, ADDS, Temperature and humidity readings, GHCC Images, as well as the solar data and to download images into our database whenever possible. We're averaging over 100 pictures per day when there's activity. As it stands, I was only given a certain number of people to work with and do not have the resources at this time to monitor FE data. I barely have enough people in the field to adequately cover both Stamford and Greenwich and wont be able to add any more people until May.
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-12-2002 02:08 PM
Pluto, wake tubulence studies my a$$!!Wake up and smell the coffee, my rather intelligent friend!Although we are all aware, that like ufo's, most "chemtrail" activity can be explained away, but not daily obscuration of the sky.No, and not 40's vintage aircraft being utilized, not the sicknesses realted to it, not the current solar anomolies....no my friend, youre intentionally ignoring the obvious!Something !!!HAS!!! changed about aircraft emmisions and thier nature, and its not about redesigned engines or new fuel additives
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-12-2002 06:02 PM
Beware, Seeker... Those may not be peppercorns you grind over your next salad...hello quakk, so your a waiter now ? >>gotcha<< this one's for all the fuel dump fans out there... 
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T/S
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-12-2002 06:28 PM
Thanks, seek! It goes right into the Science Forum!
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA
163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 03-13-2002 05:24 AM
Sorry for traumatizing anybody with the FE redundancy, but having been an FE subscriber for over 2 years now, it does hold the answer to the best kept secret, (that is, beside all the people who work in the related industries.) Use it only if you really and truly want to know. Why research something without the right tools? You don't send a carpenter out to build a house without a hammer (or a nail gun.) $10.00 a month is alot cheaper than film and developing. THE END.
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-13-2002 11:20 AM
BONK! sorry trickydeb but Flight Explorer does NOT explain the 90', 180' turns, meandering etc. Commercial planes fly from point A to B. Additionally, she continues to try to sell this as CONdensation. Again, this would disappear eventually. This material is REACHING THE GROUND. Again, the govt. has ADMITTED SPRAYING PROGRAMS. Again, the 'PATTERN' is clear in spraying ahead of and into oncoming rain fronts.Again, Deb is a debunkster incapable of independent thought. Planes at same altitudes, temps etc. some obviously spraying, some NOT. Again Deb, the government has ADMITTED to these programs. Don't you BELIEVE them? They're your buddies against the evil 'militias.' FILE 13 for Deb. SLAM DUNK!
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Nirvana
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-13-2002 12:24 PM
The Flight Explorer page of this website includes this in it's statement about the product:"Military flights are filtered from the datastream by the FAA for security reasons." If not all flights are included in the flight explorer display. It seems to me that this product cannot conclusively prove that chemtrails do not exist. Many people (including me) report non-descript white planes that often fly in non-typical patterns such as X's, strange curves, and parallel trails. I've even seen two chemtrail planes flying almost straight for each other, close enough to wave out the window I'm sure. These are not typical patterns for commercial airliners. Also, many people (including me) have reported clear skies and no trails one day, and a sky full of trails the next, yet similar atmospheric conditions and not necessarily proceeding a storm front. If Flight Explorer cannot display military flights, I regard it as relatively useless in solving the chemtrail puzzle. If anything, it would tend to prove the existance of the mysterious planes as they would not show up in Flight Explorer. "Elementary" as Shirlock Holmes would say.
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WiseQuakker
Senior Member
Mt. Vernon, WA, USA
141 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 03-13-2002 11:01 PM
Seeker — You can try portraying yourself as charming and cute, but anyone who saw at least one of your posts over at Clifford’s board, as “cosmic gumshoe”, knows your full range. And it ain’t pretty.Now, as to the image of the fuel dump, which came from the web site http://www.efaubion.com/ussfletcher/ . The caption for the photo reads, “F8 Crusader dumping fuel before a carrier landing Tonkin Gulf April 1969”. How about you finding a pic that shows something more than this cropped view so that we can observe the large scale properties of a fuel dump out in open skies...??? I mean WIDE angle...
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“When walking amongst predators, never lose awareness of your surroundings. By itself, science tells us what should be. Only tempered with clinical observation and common sense, does it tell us what really is......”
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 03-14-2002 12:51 AM
WiseQuakker is right about the picture. It is located on this page.
http://www.efaubion.com/ussfletcher/places.htm
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