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Optik
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posted 03-08-2002 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Optik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED

by

William Thomas

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As a resurgence of unusual aerial trails crisscross Canadian skies, official confirmation of chemtrails has come from the U.S. Congress.

“Chemtrails” is the term widely used to describe the brilliant white plumes laid down by U.S. Air Force tanker planes photo-identified over North America and a dozen other allied nations. Unlike normal condensation trails – which form when hot engine exhaust momentarily condenses in the frigid stratosphere like exhaled breath on a cold day - chemical trails linger for hours, turning clear skies into milky haze in a process the U.S. Air Force calls “aerial obscuration”

Chemtrail Ban Sought In Congress

“Chemtrails” also appear in House Resolution 2977. Introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on “exotic weapons”. Section 7 of the “Space Preservation Act of 2001” sought specifically to prohibit “chemtrails”.

Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. “The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command’s 2020 vision calls for “dominance” of space, land, sea and air.

The unusual white plumes reported by Air Canada pilots, police officers and former military personnel over Canada and the U.S. during the past three years are often contrasted by brief, pencil-thin contrails left by commercial jets flying above them.

Contrails form when water vapor clumps around dirt particles acting as nuclei. According to NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, contrails can only form at temperatures below minus 76 degrees, and humidity levels of 70 percent or more. Even in ideal conditions, contrails rarely last more than 20 minutes.

But atmospheric studies by NASA and NOAA - including TARFOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX and Project SUCCESS - confirm that artificial clouds and contrails can be manufactured under conditions of low humidity by dispensing particles from aircraft. The smaller the size of the nuclei introduced into the atmosphere, the greater the rate of artificial cloud formation.


Canadians Petition Parliament
Canadians were the first to complain about chemtrails to their federal government. On Nov. 18, 1999, NDP Defense critic Gordon Earl petitioned Parliament on behalf of 550 residents of Espanola, Ontario to “repeal any law that would permit the dispersal of military chaff or of any cloud-seeding substance whatsoever by domestic or foreign military aircraft without the informed consent of the citizens of Canada thus affected.”

According to CBC Newsworld (Aug 29, 1999), “Many in the community have reported respiratory problems and strange aches and pains. Town council heard that some believe military jets are dropping material over the town as part of a weather experiment” - after laboratory tests confirmed the presence of aluminum in rainwater falling through chemtrails over Espanola five-times higher than provincial health safety limits.

The Ministry of Defense eventually replied, “It’s not us.”

Studies Prove Chemtrails Cannot Be Contrails

The “airliner” argument collapsed along with the Twin Towers, when heavy chemtrails were reported over Vancouver Island and widely separated U.S. cities despite the grounding of all commercial flights last Sept. 11, 12 and 13.

Photographs of heavy aerial gridding over Santa Fe, New Mexico and B.C.’s Sunshine Coast also contradict official weather data showing high altitude humidity at the same times and locations to be less than one third the moisture needed for contrails to form.

In Houston, Texas, Mark Steadham conducted a 62 day survey of jet traffic over that busy hub. Using a computer program called Flight Explorer, Steadham identified commercial and military aircraft sharing the same sky. The contrails from commercial jets dissipated within 22 seconds. The plumes left behind at the same time by big military jets persisted for four to eight hours.


Canadian and U.S. Aviation Officials Confirm Chemtrails
The first break in an investigation begun by the Environment News Service in Jan. 1999, came 11 months later when Victoria airport authority Terry Stewart returned a call to a Victoria resident concerned about the X’s and grid patterns being laid over the B.C. capitol. “It’s a military exercise, a U.S. and Canada air force exercise that’s going on,” Stewart reported on Dec. 8, 2000. “They wouldn’t give me any specifics on it.”

The “specifics” came in March the following year, when Maine radio reporter S. T. Brendt called a senior Air Traffic Control manager after she, her news director and staff counted 370 plumes filling skies normally devoid of commercial aircraft. During his hitch in U.S. Navy Intelligence, Brendt’s husband had never seen an aerial armada this big. “It looked like an invasion,” Lou Aubuchont said.

The FAA manager told Brendt he had been ordered to redirect incoming commercial flights around “military exercises” on several occasions that month. In follow-up interviews at the WMWV studios, the government official confirmed widespread chemtrail activity. As they flew north into Canada, he said, the planes were spraying a substance that showed up as a “haze” on Air Traffic Control radar screens.

This characteristic signature of radar beams reflecting off fine aluminum particles confirmed the Espanola lab tests. It also matched a patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Corp. in 1994. This practical blueprint described spraying reflective aluminum particles into Earth’s greenhouse atmosphere, “For the Reduction of Global Warming”.

Computer simulations at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory showed that spraying 10 million tons of aluminum oxide into the upper atmosphere would reflect between one and two percent of incoming sunlight. The predictions promised no net warming over 85 percent of the earth surface, despite a predicted doubling of CO2 within the next 50 years.

The biggest lobby pushing for a reduction in global warming are insurance companies bigger than Big Oil and the international trade in arms. Multinationals such as the Swiss Reinsurance Company and Lloyd’s of London report unsustainable losses incurred by Extreme Weather Events caused by a rapidly warming planet. It is feared that if they go bankrupt, so will the money markets and banks that back them.

Andrew Dlugolecki - director of one of the world’s six biggest insurance groups, CGNU - warned the Hague two years ago that unless action is taken to curb global warming, the resulting damage will exceed the dollar value of all the world’s resources by 2065. “Already we’re beginning to run out of money in the insurance industry,” Dlugolecki declared.

It was Edward Teller, father of the H-bomb, who called for spraying a chemical “sunscreen” at a 1998 International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies. Besides disturbing regional weather patterns, Teller’s chief climate modeler, Ken Caldeira worries about negative health effects. The atmospheric scientist who crunched the numbers on Teller’s “sky shield” further warns such a project could, “destroy the ozone layer”. Caldeira believes the U.S. government will publicly admit to chemtrails this spring.

Health Hazard
Scientists say aluminum oxide as inert as sand poses no toxic threat. But after examining more than 3,000 health studies published since 1997, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency confirmed a strong link between tiny particulates and thousands of premature deaths each year.

According to a New York Times feature, “Tiny Bits of Soot Tied to Illnesses” (April 21, 2001), numerous health studies show that “microscopic motes - composed of metals, carbon and other ingredients - are able to infiltrate the tiniest compartments in the lungs and pass readily into the bloodstream and have been most strongly tied to illness and early death, particularly in people who are already susceptible to respiratory problems.”

In a report headlined, “Tiny particles can kill” New Scientist (Aug. 5, 2000) reported a Harvard “Six Cities” study, which “identified particles with a diameter of less than 10 microns as threat to public health.”


Barium Chemtrails
A scientist working at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base told Columbus Alive (Dec. 6, 2001) that two different chemtrails projects are currently being conducted by the U.S. military. One involves creating clouds to cool global warming.

Chemtrails are also being deployed by the Pentagon to suspend a mixture of barium stearate and fine iron particles as a temporary atmospheric antenna for conducting radio and radar waves over the horizon. The soapy stearate used to carry the airborne iron particles appears in the sky as prismatic bands of color.

Barium-iron chemtrails were reportedly used to create long range radio-and-radar “ducting” during sustained air strikes on Iraq, Kosovo, and Afghanistan. The scientist interviewed by Fitzrakis also stated that barium chemtrails are being used in conjunction with an “atmospheric heater” called HAARP in Gakon, Alaska.

HAARP’s inventor Bernard Eastland told this reporter that the principal purpose of this multi-million watt weapon is to “steer the jet stream” and change the weather. His patent calls for spraying barium in the atmosphere to enhance the effects of HAARP. “Wright-Pat has long been deeply engaged in HAARP’s electromagnetic warfare program,” Eastlund told Columbus Alive.

Electromagnetic Hazards
If some of the chemtrails being sprayed overhead contain compounds for conducting electromagnetic energy, residents of all affected communities could be in even graver danger from the intense electromagnetic radiation emitted by cellphone and microwave transmitter towers, radar installations at military bases, high-voltage power lines, high-power military relay towers and myriad other well-documented sources of "electronic smog" - 15 million times more intense than natural background levels.

Barium chemtrails could accidentally amplify these already hazardous electromagnetic emanations

Canadian military officers at Canadian Forces Base Comox spokesmen have heatedly denied the existence of this joint military operation. But Terry Stewart told the Vancouver Courier (Aug. 15, 2001) that his information confirming the Canada-U.S. military exercise came directly from CFB Comox.

# # #


Veteran reporter William Thomas has covered stories suppressed by the mainstream media for more than 30 years. He is the award-winning author of Scorched Earth, Bringing The War Home, Probing The Chemtrails Conundrum, Alt. Health, All Fall Down: The Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion. His video documentaries include “Eco War”, “Waterwise” and “Chemtrails: Mystery Lines In The Sky”.

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How can I get a copy of the video "Chemtrails Mystery Lines in the Sky.
Nice article. Thank you.
Also read my posting "The London Guardian"
Published This Report".
It is a US scientific report on Global Extiction.

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Thomas's statement:

"... contrails can only form at temperatures below minus 76 degrees, and humidity levels of 70 percent or more. Even in ideal conditions, contrails rarely last more than 20 minutes."

This absolute rubbish. Humidity-induced contrails (those not formed by extreme pressure on wing tips and other protuberances on the aircraft) form at temperatures less than -31F (-35C) and can last more than 14 hours.

"But atmospheric studies by NASA and NOAA - including TARFOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX and Project SUCCESS - confirm that artificial clouds and contrails can be manufactured under conditions of low humidity by dispensing particles from aircraft. The smaller the size of the nuclei introduced into the atmosphere, the greater the rate of artificial cloud formation."

Complete misrepresentation of these experiments. TARFOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX studied aerosols formed by biomass burning, industrial effluents, pollution, and natural processes. They had nothing to do with artificial clouds and did not dispense particles. Project SUCCESS studied aircraft exhaust and its effect on contrails, which are artificial clouds. The only dispensing of particles that took place were the particles that come out of the airplane exhaust, just like that from your automobile. That's like saying, "I dispensed particles from my mouth when I breathed and made an artificial cloud." These statements from Thomas have no credibility.

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These statements from Thomas have no credibility.

yep, but they are eaten up like cookies by hungry children...

I sure would like to see a *real* link showing Kucinich making the statement he did...

“The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,”

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QUESTION: "
WHAT IS THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PERSISTENT CONTRAILS FORMING ARTIFICIAL CLOUDS THAT PERSIST FOR 4-8 HOURS OR MORE THESE DAYS? WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE OF THIS SAME PHENOMENA 3 YEARS AGO? WHAT CHANGE
OCCURRED THAT INCREASED THIS LIMITED PHENOMENA SO DRASTICALLY
?
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Following from Canex

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Thomas's statement:

"... contrails can only form at temperatures below minus 76 degrees, and humidity levels of 70 percent or more. Even in ideal conditions, contrails rarely last more than 20 minutes." 
This absolute rubbish. Humidity-induced contrails (those not formed by extreme pressure on wing tips and other protuberances on the aircraft) form at temperatures less than -31F (-35C) and can last more than 14
hours

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[Optik]  "I was always under the impression that a contrail
was the following:

{Taken from Online Encyclopedia Britannica} http://www.britannica.com/search?query=Contrail&ct=eb&fuzzy=N


vapor
trail


< !-- querybold:begin -->
streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold,
humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapor produced by the
combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. ..


[Question] "Anything else outside of the
forming of the condensation of water vapor would just effect the properties of
the trail"?


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"But atmospheric studies by NASA and NOAA - including TAR FOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX and Project SUCCESS -
confirm that artificial clouds and contrails can be manufactured under conditions of low humidity by dispensing particles from aircraft. The smaller the size of the nuclei introduced into the atmosphere, the greater the rate of artificial cloud formation."


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[Optik]

[Question] "Are you implying that the conditions you are referring would
not be the correct environment in which condensation trails would appear with
high altitude aircraft, and that the only way contrails or artificial clouds
could be produced into this environment would be to dispense manufactured
particles aside of what naturally occurs from an aircraft without modifications
that we are aware of?" "If not clarify please so I can understand
"?


Main
Entry: 2manufacture


Function: verb

Inflected Form's): -tured; man·u·fac·tur·ing /-'fak-ch&-ri[ng],
-'fak-shri[ng]
/

Date: 1683

transitive senses

1 : to make into a product suitable for use

2 a : to make from raw materials by hand or by machinery b :
to produce according to an organized plan and with division of labor

3 : INVENT,
FABRICATE


4 : to produce as if by manufacturing : CREATE
<writers who manufacture stories for television>

intransitive senses : to engage in manufacture

- manufacturing noun


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Complete misrepresentation of these experiments. TAR FOX, ACE-Asia, ACE-I and II, INDOEX studied aerosols formed by biomass burning, industrial effluents, pollution, and natural processes. They had nothing to do with artificial clouds and did not dispense particles. Project SUCCESS studied aircraft exhaust and its effect on contrails, which are artificial clouds. The only dispensing of particles that took place were the particles that come out of the airplane exhaust, just like that from your automobile. That's like saying, "I dispensed particles from my mouth when I breathed and made an artificial cloud." These statements from Thomas have no credibility. 


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[Optik]


[Question] " Would the following experiments that involved biomass
burning, industrial effluents, pollution, and natural processes emit or exhaust
particles into the upper atmosphere were it could also influence the properties
of a regular condensation trail?"  If that is not true , than what is
to be concerned of Global Warming or the Ozone? "What exhaust are you referring
to on the aircraft"?


 


EXHAUSTExhaust /Ex·haust´/ (?), v. t.

[imp. & p. p.

Exhausted; p. pr. & vb. n.

Exhausting.] [L. exhaustus, p. p. of exhaurire; ex out + haurire, haustum, to draw, esp. water; perhaps akin to Icel. asua to sprinkle, pump.] 1. To draw or let out wholly; to drain off completely; as, to exhaust the water of a well; the moisture of the earth is exhausted by evaporation.

2. To empty by drawing or letting out the contents; as, to exhaust a well, or a treasury.

3. To drain, metaphorically; to use or expend wholly, or till the supply comes to an end; to deprive wholly of strength; to use up; to weary or tire out; to wear out; as, to exhaust one's strength, patience, or resources.

A decrepit, exhausted old man at fifty- five. Motley.

4. To bring out or develop completely; to discuss thoroughly; as, to exhaust a subject.

5. (Chem.) To subject to the action of various solvents in order to remove all soluble substances or extractives; as, to exhaust a drug successively with water, alcohol, and ether.

Exhausted receiver. (Physics) See under Receiver.

Syn. -- To spend; consume; tire out; weary.

Exhaust /Ex·haust´/, a.

[L. exhaustus, p. p.] 1. Drained; exhausted; having expended or lost its energy.

2. Pertaining to steam, air, gas, etc., that is released from the cylinder of an engine after having preformed its work.

Exhaust draught, a forced draught produced by drawing air through a place, as through a furnace, instead of blowing it through. -- Exhaust fan, a fan blower so arranged as to produce an exhaust draught, or to draw air or gas out of a place, as out of a room in ventilating it. -- Exhaust nozzle, Exhaust orifice (Steam Engine), the blast orifice or nozzle. -- Exhaust pipe (Steam Engine), the pipe that conveys exhaust steam from the cylinder to the atmosphere or to the condenser. Exhaust port (Steam Engine), the opening, in the cylinder or valve, by which the exhaust steam escapes. -- Exhaust purifier (Milling), a machine for sorting grains, or purifying middlings by an exhaust draught. Knight. -- Exhaust steam (Steam Engine), steam which is allowed to escape from the cylinder after having been employed to produce motion of the piston. -- Exhaust valve (Steam Engine), a valve that lets exhaust steam escape out of a cylinder.

Exhaust /Ex·haust´/, n.

(Steam Engine) 1. The steam let out of a cylinder after it has done its work there.

2. The foul air let out of a room through a register or pipe provided for the purpose.


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posted 03-08-2002 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Optik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.af.mil/vision USAF Vision 2020 http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/monographs/E-S/e-s.htm

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optik, I wondering how you looked at this link...

Joint Vision 2020 Briefing- 417k (2020briefing.ppt) http://www.dtic.mil/jv2020/2020briefing.ppt

I was denied access...

I seen nothing about chemtrails, and you did not provide a link where the socialist Kucinich actually said chemtrails...

you are fibbing and wasting my time...

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I apologize for the link being the wrong URL, the information provided below was checked and in working condition.






New Page 1


 

USAF Vision 2020:
Global Vigilance, Reach, and Power
(pdf download)
Michael E.
Ryan and F. Whitten Peters.

 

Rep. Kucinich originally prepared bill HR 2977 in which chemtrails is a word
to describe an exotic space weapon.  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?c107:chemtrails


SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.


 


    In this Act:

 



      (1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude
      greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial
      body in such space.


 



      (2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any
      of the following:


 




        (i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the
        atmosphere, or on earth) by--



 





          (I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;




 





          (II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that
          object;




 





          (III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic
          energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or
          extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy
          radiation) against that object; or




 





          (IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.




 




        (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person
        (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and
        economic well-being of a person)--



 





          (I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or
          subparagraph (B);




 





          (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems
          using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other
          energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the
          purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such
          persons or populations; or




 





          (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a
          person.




 



      (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--


 




        (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;



 




        (ii) chemtrails;



 




        (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;



 




        (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;



 




        (v) laser weapons systems;



 




        (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and



 




        (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.



 



      (C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage
      space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or
      climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage
      or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.




 



THIS SEARCH     THIS DOCUMENT     GO TO
Next Hit Forward New Bills Search
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Seeker, I put this together real quick for ya too so it will be easy for ya to check out as long as the gov site is up showing the data.

Following Status of HR 2977

Following Status of HR 2977

Bill
Status:
Active


To look up a bill:Click
Here

Url: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c107query.html#billno size="3">
query HR 2977:Click Here

Url: http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query



HR2977 :Click
Here

Url: http:/thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:1:./temp/~c107W6uTiW::

GPO PDF Version of Bill: Click
Here

Url: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/t2GPO/http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:h2977ih.txt.pdf


Reference to Bill in Congressional Record [Summary of Bill] : Click
Here

Url: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?r107:@OR+(+@1(H.R.+2977)++@1(H.+R.+2977)++)


Bill Status File: Click
Here

Url: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.02977:


 


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apology accepted...

was not hr 2977 replaced with this one ?

H.R. 3616

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It is strange that you ask that. That is the popular belief, but in all actuallity none of us know why it was redone and chemtrails taken out and why HR2977 is still active for voting. Maybe someone that understands the current bill progressions could explain that.

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I'd vote against it, and not for anything else but to assure that we HAVE space-based weapons...

for 60 years "we" have been putting radio waves out into space, at that rate...eventually someone (thing) out there will come looking for the source...

just because they would be advanced, would not mean they are good-fellas...

be prepared...vote no on house bill 2977

grins

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posted 03-09-2002 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>"How can I get a copy of the video "Chemtrails Mystery Lines in the Sky."<<<

At Thomas' webpage(Why is this page titled "IPCC Document, BTW?!!!!):
you will find a link titled-
"Subscribe to my Chemtrails Investigation Bulletins - and get free chemtrail
book or video"
follow the link and you find otherwise, classic bait and switch:

"All purchasers of Probing The Chemtrails Conundrum and All Fall Down are
entitled to receive free email updates as my investigations continue.

Please send me an email with your email address, along with the title of the
book(s) you purchased and your mailing address for verification and I will add
you to my subscriber list."

And continuing on the same vein from another thread-
Chemtrail researcher William Thomas on Art Bell show tonight - Feb 27 http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001086.html

----- Original Message -----
From: D. Phalen
To: Ken Caldeira
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 7:21 PM
Subject: You've made the Big Time!

Dear Dr. Caldeira:

I thought you might like to see your name in an article about "chemtrails" as it appeared recently on the Jeff Rense website.
http://www.rense.com/general20/cc.htm

Sincerely,
Deb Phalen
Plainfield, IN

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Caldeira
To: D. Phalen
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: You've made the Big Time!

Deb,

It seems like they are having trouble deciding whether it is a weapons system or a geoengineering system or what.


To give you some idea how perverse things really are, I did attend a meeting here that addressed the issue of whether geosystems could be used as weapons by a foreign power or by terrorists. The general conclusion was that weather modification is a pretty blunt instrument with which to attack your enemy. It is hard to do and not very effective. It is much easier to drop a bomb on somebody than to try to kill him with bad weather.


The issue came up of whether you could seed clouds and then produce a drought somewhere downwind. This is probably not do-able today, and if you want to destroy someone's crops you can spread Agent Orange around or something like that.


I wouldn't be surprised if there was or is some military program that looks at how aerosols are spread around the world; in this post-anthrax-attack world it would be remiss of them not to try to understand this process.


Anyway, I have no reason to doubt your assertion that most of what these people are seeing are normal jet contrails.


I think most normal dust contains several % aluminum oxides, so finding some aluminum oxide in dust is nothing special [unless it was relatively pure].

Cheers,

Ken
Ken Caldeira
| Climate and Carbon Cycle Group
| Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
| 7000 East Ave., L-103
| Livermore CA 94550 USA


Bob Fritakis of Columbus, Ohio, William Thomas, and Rep. Kucinich of Ohio have something in common. When in doubt, GOOGLE.




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QUESTION: "
WHAT IS THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF PERSISTENT CONTRAILS FORMING ARTIFICIAL CLOUDS THAT PERSIST FOR 4-8 HOURS OR MORE THESE DAYS? WHAT WAS THE AVERAGE OF THIS SAME PHENOMENA 3 YEARS AGO? WHAT CHANGE OCCURRED THAT INCREASED THIS LIMITED PHENOMENA SO DRASTICALLY?
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How many angels can you fit on the head of a pin? How many hairs do you have on your head? God only knows the average number? How do you know this seemingly limited phenomenon increased drastically. The only study that I have been able to find that discusses the relative occurrence of persistent contrails is a new one on that link provided by Seeker on another thread, http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass.html

" Contrail frequency over the USA from surface
observations ". submitted to Geophys. Res. Lett.

Seems that there were fewer persistent contrails during 1998 than during 1993 because 1999 was drier.

QUESTION
"Anything else outside of the forming of the condensation of water vapor would just effect the properties of the trail"?

Huh? Contrails actually form in two ways:

1) condensation the water vapor produced by the exhaust in moist cold conditions (< -31F) and subsequent freezing of the droplets

2) condensation of water vapor in the low pressure areas produced just behind a pointed surface like a wing tip at low altitudes in humid conditions

#1 is the more common


[Question] "Are you implying that the conditions you are referring would not be the correct environment in which condensation trails would appear with high altitude aircraft, and that the only way contrails or artificial clouds could be produced into this environment would be to dispense manufactured particles aside of what naturally occurs from an aircraft without modifications that we are aware of?" "If not clarify please so I can understand"?

Your question--I am not sure exactly what you are asking-- is based on Thomas' statements, which are Clintonesque distortions of what actually occurred. For example,

"...confirm that artificial clouds and contrails can be manufactured under conditions of low humidity by dispensing particles from aircraft"

was concocted from a summary of SUCCESS that confirmed that the well-known criteria for producing contrails (not persistent ones) from aircraft exhaust at extremely low temperatures and relatively low humidities. The study confirmed an already established theory developed in the 1940's and 50's. It does not apply to persistent contrails, which were confirmed to occur in high humidity conditions.

"The smaller the size of the nuclei introduced into the atmosphere, the greater the rate of artificial cloud formation."

Jet engines that produce exhaust containing more smaller aerosols make more ice crystals than one those that make larger, fewer aerosols.


[Question] " Would the following experiments that involved biomass burning, industrial effluents, pollution, and natural processes emit or exhaust particles into the upper atmosphere were it could also influence the properties of a regular condensation trail?"

What following experiments?

If that is not true , than what is to be concerned of Global Warming or the Ozone?

I don't see the relationship. Why would the properties of a condensation trail as related to surface aerosol sources make on eany more or less concerned about "Global warming or Ozone"?


"What exhaust are you referring to on the aircraft"?
The combustion produts coming out of the back of the engine.

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Thank you for your time in answering some of those questions to your best knowledge. I do not have trouble admitting that I am not a scientist and I will not pretend that I am one, and any questions that I ask, I try to ask from a logical stand point as from what I do know about them. I would like to point out two quick things.

1.) You said only God would know the average, I don't disagree. But your saying that the data isnt there to come close. If all these lines and grid patterns and circles, x's and o's in the sky show up on radar now, did they not show up on radar 4 or 5 years ago? why? If they did show up on radar what about 5 years before that?Or 3 years before that? No one has the job of takeing down one statistic or property of a radar screen into some kinda of log for statistic purposes? Why can we see them on radar so prevalant now then?

2.)I have always looked up at the sky, rather when sitting outside every night enjoying a fresh cup of coffe, camping, on a date, walking, laying back on the grass, outside sports, driving in a car, and everything else involving outside activity looking up at the sky , and I have never seen until 1998 what I see from then on as far as line after line after line after line in so many diffrent patterns and forming oily hazy backgrounds, colorful prism colors in the edge of clouds all the time, big colorful rings around the sun, oily nasty looking, x's and o's. And im not the only one. And what is up with all the planes leaving trails in a circle formation???????????????????Circle dr?????? If these arn't drawn out military projects, then why are public or private tankers doing circles, are they mixed up on were they want to go??? With all the air traffic comeing and going do they have time to be doing circles?

Hehe Sorry for all the questions, but they are truth.

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TheSeeker, you do know space-based weapons entail great amounts of our atmosphere being modified correct? You do know that useing heating up layers of our atmosphere will ruin it? If you do not, the answer is it will , and greatly. So great even that it could easily destroy the delicate earth balance which is already under attack. Now how would you protect yourself from someone or something when your weapon already destroyed what is so important to you, were you and your children live?

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I read somewere on this board a few times you were NASA's MInnis? If that is true why would you waste your time at this board unless you felt it was your duty to sway readers to believe your input? I don't think you are minnis, but that doesnt mean I have anything against you, I certainly dont! ~ Cheers

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Dear Mr. Optik:

Not being Dr. Pat Minnis, I cannot speak for him, but my guess is that many people, regardless of their interpretation of contrails, believe very strongly in the truth as they perceive it, and want to convince people of that truth. In this way, he is not that different from anyone else in here.

I don't know if he considers this a "waste of time"; I certainly don't.

I am sure you have found that people seem to fall into different categories: those who believe what you believe, those who don't (and never will) and those who don't, but may be swayed by your arguments. Perhaps Dr. Minnis considers you in the third category.

I can say that I have read many of Dr. Minnis' scholarly and well-presented papers, have contacted him at the e-address shown on those sites, and have corresponded with him on several cases. Based on this, I am convinced that Mr. "canex" is, in truth, Doctor Pat Minnis, who is probably one of the most knowledgeable people around on the subject of contrails in particular and atmospheric science in general.

Regards,

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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525

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He might very well hold the most intelligence of contrail formation, im not saying he does or doesn't, and I would say that he does provide information that is intriguing.

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