posted 03-21-2002 11:10 PM            

Obviously, wake turbulence iw a big issue now, what with that Airbus going down in New York back on October.

I'll check into this further tomorrow and see if I can raise someone rom Seattle. I'll pass along whatever information I have.
Regards,

posted 03-21-2002 11:10 PM            

The vortices they speak of otherwise known as wingtip vorticies or "wake turbulence" is something completely different than a contrail.

A wingtip vortice is the result of the high pressure underneath a wing mixing with the low pressure above the wing and creating a horizontal tornado, if you will.....these vortices are quite strong from larger aircraft and can pose a danger to other smaller aircraft encountering them especially during take off and landing (the are strongest when the aircraft producing them is slow and heavy)....You cannot see a wingtip vortice unless it swirls through something like dust, fog, or clouds. The reason Boeing is studying ways to break up these vortices is because Air Traffic Control has minumum distances behind these larger aircraft that they must maintain in order for them to put another smaller aircraft behind them. If they came up with something to reduce these vortices, they could reduce that distance, therefore allowing more takeoffs and landings in a period of time, therefore reducing congestion at airports.

A contrail, however is the result of the hot exhaust of an engine cooling and condensing, forming a long, miniature cloud on particles in the air when conditions support it. There is nothing inherently dangerous about a legitimate contrail for Boeing to want to study.

posted 03-25-2002 10:29 AM            

You say that you "...would not knowingly fly fly with anyone who claimed he was a pilot and chemtrails dont exist..I would know already you were a liar."

We each are entitled to our own opinions, of course. However, my job takes me in contact with a lot of pilots, many of whom are my colleagues at work; and my next-door neighbor drives 737s for Alaska Airlines in addition to a stint in the Air Force Reserve.

No pilot I have talked to believes that chemtrails, as you define them, exist. Most of them hadn't even heard of such a phenomenon and either shake their head or start to laugh when I mentioned the controversy.

Now maybe they all know that there are chemtrails and they're all lying to me. Or maybe E. coli and I are lying to you, and there really is a plot with a half-million or so folks in on it. That's for you to decide; I'm not going to tell you what to think.

But if you are serious about avoiding commercial flights unless they're crewed by pilots who accept that chemtrails exist, you might want to invest in a detailed operations schedule for Greyhound -- 'cause you won!t be doing much flying!

Regards,

posted 03-25-2002 12:14 PM            

I'm not going to tell you that, "No, it's not chemtrails, dammit!"....What I will tell you is what I see about the picture using my first-hand knowledge of aviation.

I don't know if it's a C-141 or not, but it it is some transport with a rear ramp door. Let's just say that it is though for the sake of arguement.

I see 3 other aircraft trailing this C-141. I would identify them as C-130 Hercules aircraft. A C141 is a 4 engine JET transport with a cruising speed of somewhere around 450-500 knots. A C-130 is a 4 engine TURBOPROP transport with a cruising speed of around 250 knots.

For the C-141 to be able to safely slow down to lower it's ramp in flight and to not leave the C-130's in the dust, it has to extend it's wing flaps to safely maintain that lower speed.

A lot of times in high humidity, you will see these tight, mini-vortices coming off aircraft's flaps (hang around an airport on a humid, misty or even rainy day and you'll see what I'm talking about). That to me looks like why the trails are not atomizing into the air as a sprayed liquid would. To me, a sprayed liquid would spread out into the airflow and become a much wider trail.

posted 03-25-2002 01:35 PM            

If these AF pilots are being told not to speak about it, versus "deny it" by their superiors, it would be classified. Why would they be sharing classified information with you? If it's unclassified, why aren't they sharing it with higher-ups on the "chemtrail" chain, like Thomas or Carnicom or better yet, writing to Jeff Rense?

posted 03-25-2002 02:41 PM            

Two comments:

First, please send me the video, but do not send it to work, since I don't have the video player on my office puter. My home e-mail is duncankunz@cox.net

Second, you said, "...If Boeing is successful in creating "flaps" to quickly disperse "CHEMTRAIL" visibilty, what will all us conspiracy theorists find to do with our time?"

My suggestion: Beat up on either Lockmart or Airbus Industrie. I will be happy to help out there!

Regards,