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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-06-2002 11:58 PM
are you done burnning our forest to a crisp? or have you only started your destruction will you flood out hurricane and tornado "your" people and feed them their fault ex~plane~ ationsof why they cauased every con~flag~ UR ~a tion because they drove to work to pay the taxes to feed your death matchine

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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-07-2002 12:13 AM
you own the media the sTrokerz of mental awareness~~~ you spook the lagards with anthraz and you poll the "popululus" with a stroke of feareither way you win the pResident of the most powerfull nation in the known sphere one extracts from columbia (oil) the otter from afganistan (gas) each bad guy has anouther side (repo~crate) to vote for (but none against~it seemZ) GoD blEsS the human in you for being so patient with these anti~human types anti earth (while stopping up the knews) with UN platitudes about
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-07-2002 10:55 PM
molly ivins thursday~ RELEASE: TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2002, AND THEREAFTER AUSTIN, Texas -- Excuse me: I don't want to be tacky or anything, but hasn't it occurred to anyone in Washington that sending Vice President Dick Cheney out to champion an invasion of Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein is a "murderous dictator" is somewhere between bad taste and flaming hypocrisy? When Dick Cheney was CEO of the oilfield supply firm Halliburton, the company did $23.8 million in business with Saddam Hussein, the evildoer "prepared to share his weapons of mass destruction with terrorists." So if Saddam is "the world's worst leader," how come Cheney sold him the equipment to get his dilapidated oil fields up and running so he to could afford to build weapons of mass destruction? In 1998, the United Nations passed a resolution allowing Iraq to buy spare parts for its oilfields, but other sanctions remained in place, and the United States has consistently pressured the U.N. to stop exports of medicine and other needed supplies on the grounds they could have "dual use." As the former Secretary of Defense under Bush the Elder, Cheney was in particularly vulnerable position on the hypocrisy of doing business with Iraq. (Although in 1991, after the Gulf War, Cheney told a group of oil industry executives he was emphatically against trying to topple Hussein.) Using two subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll-Dresser, Halliburton helped rebuild Saddam's war-damaged oil fields. The combined value of these contracts for parts and equipment was greater than that of any other American company doing business with Iraq -- companies including Schlumberger, Flowserve, Fisher-Rosemount, General Electric. They acted through foreign subsidiaries or associated companies in France, Belgium, Germany, India, Switzerland, Bahrain, Egypt and the Netherlands. In several cases, it is clear the European companies did no more than loan their names to American firms for the purpose of dealing with Hussein. Iraq then became America's second-largest Middle Eastern oil supplier. This story was initially reported by the Financial Times of London over two years ago and has since been more extensively reported in the European press. But as we have seen with the case of Harken Energy and many other stories, there is a difference between a story having been reported and having attention being paid to it (a distinction many journalists have trouble with). Thus the administration was able to dismiss the new information on shady dealings at Harken as "old news" because not much attention was ever paid when the old news was new. When Cheney left Halliburton, he received a $34 million severance package despite the fact that the single biggest deal of his five-year career there, the acquisition of Dresser Industries, turned out to be a huge blunder since the company came saddled with asbestos liability. (On the campaign trail, Cheney often claimed he had been "out in the private sector creating jobs." The first thing he did after the Dresser merger was lay off 10,000 people.) Halliburton, America's No. 1 oil-services company, is the nation's fifth-largest military contractor and the biggest non-union employer in the United States. It employs more than 100,000 workers worldwide and does over $15 billion a year. Halliburton under Cheney dealt with several brutal dictatorships, including the despicable government of Burma (Myanmar). The company also played questionable roles in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Somalia and Indonesia. Halliburton also had dealings with Iran and Libya, both on the State Department's list of terrorist states. Halliburton's subsidiary Brown & Root, the old Texas construction firm that does much business with the U.S. military, was fined $3.8 million for re-exporting goods to Libya in violation of U.S. sanctions. If you want to know why the Democrats didn't jump all over this story and make a big deal out it, it's because -- as usual -- Democrats are involved in similar dealings. Former CIA director John Deutsch is on the board of Schlumberger, the second largest oil services firm after Halliburton, which is also doing business with Iraq through subsidiaries. Americans have long been aware that corporate money has consistently corrupted domestic policy in favor of corporate interests, and that both parties are in thrall to huge corporate campaign donors. We are less accustomed to connecting the dots when it comes to foreign policy. But there is no more evidence that corporations pay attention to anything other than profits in their foreign dealings than they do in their domestic deals. Enron, as usual, provides some textbook examples of just how indifferent to human rights American companies can be. Halliburton's dealings in Nigeria, in partnership with Shell and Chevron, provide another such example, including gross violations of human rights and environmental abuses. No one is ever going to argue that Saddam Hussein is a good guy, but Dick Cheney is not the right man to make the case against him. I have never understood why the Washington press corps cannot remember anything for longer than 10 minutes, but hearing Cheney denounce Saddam is truly "Give us a break" time. To find out more about Molly Ivins and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2002 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC. Originally Published on Tuesday September 3, 2002

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-07-2002 11:03 PM
This is a highly recommened buy this tape will open the eye should be burnned and banned in dah new word oder go git em~ ruppert "The Truth & Lies of 9-11" Truth & Lies of 9-11 The tape that is quietly taking the country by storm. More than 4500 copies sold since February 1 with no advertising. Special appearances by Reps. Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul and Barbara Lee. Documents showing U.S. foreknowledge of 9-11 attack The war for oil and drug money. see> http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-08-2002 02:52 PM
The following story is not posted online yet but I copied it here from my printed version (hot off the press)FROM> The Oregon Peaceworker Volume 15 Number 7 September 2002 page 6 "TRACKING THE CHEMTRAIL MYSTERY" by Courtney Scott Every day before Robin ~ leaves her house, she slips on her industrial strength mask. She gets a lot of questions and stares, but to Robin the tradeoff is worth it. Without her mask, she suffers severe sore throats, triggered she claims' by a rain of polluants coming from the sky, known as chemtrails. Robin, along with thousands around the globe, is questioning what is going on in our skies. Will Thomas, an award winning environmental journalist, has devoted the last three years to investigating the chemtrail phenomenon. Clifford Carnicom, a former government scientist and now chemtrail researcher is looking deep into the subject- all the way to the micron level. Carnicom calls the chemtrail phenomenon a "systematic introduction of particulate matter into the atmosphere." To date, there are chemtrail reports from 39 states and 14 NATO countries. But the evidence is often buried in the clouds. Many do not see chemtrails. Instead they simply see lines trailing from planes that appear to merge into clouds. Chemtrail or Contrail? To recognize what a chemtrail is it's necessary to understand what it isn't. Jet engines spew out warm moist air that condenses when it meets below zero temperatures at high elevations. This condensation produces contrails or steam trails. These water vapor trails usually disperse within a few seconds: What observers and researchers call chemtrails grow and grow until they blur the sky into a continuous milky way. The U.S. Air Force and FAA (Federal Aviation Authority) insist this is caused solely from increased air traffic from commercial planes, but chemtrail researchers point out a list of distinctions between normal jet trails and chemtrails. As opposed to contrails, chemtrails drip. They have density. They are made in crisscrossing parallel lines, giant X patterns and circles, which is rather odd behavior for commercial airlines. (The planes that are observed most frequently are military tanker jets. ) They often --- have breaks, starts and stops between trails. Chemtrails often travel from horizon to horizon, spanning hundreds of miles. After heavy chemtrail activity, the sun is ringed with bands of smoggy color. A key point is the issue of relative humidity. Contrails do occasionally take longer to disperse - depending on the conditions in the upper atmosphere. To find out exactly what those conditions are, Carnicom researched seven meteorology sources, including NASA and the Corporation of Atmospheric Research. What he discovered is that in order for trails to form into clouds, the humidity must be 70 percent or higher. In New Mexico, Carnicom's home state, on days when the jet trails lingered for many hours then merged into cirrus-type clouds, he looked at the weather data for the upper atmosphere and discovered the humidity was under 20%. Some days it was down to 12 percent and still the trails persisted. Taking all the evidence into consider- ation, researchers conclude that chemtrails do not follow the physics or chemistry of water vapor. What Studies FInd Spectrometry analysis reveals the ,presence of barium. Aluminum oxide has also been detected. Electrolysis studies have indicated a change in the conductivity of the water. Daylight analysis of particulate matter shows that the particulates are electrically charged or ionized. These findings seem to tie in to military operations under the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP). Located in Alaska, HAARP is , based on technology pioneered by Nikola Tesla. Tesla figured out how to tap the abundant electricity generated by the earth's rotation. Carnicom concludes that a plasma shield is being formed in the atmosphere possibly as a means to conduct energy and the chemtrails are absorbing moisture from the atmosphere and causing drought. Will Thomas asserts the military is conducting weather modification. Carnicom sent his findings via certified mail to the Environmental Protection Agency. A year later the agency returned the materials to Carnicom unopened. This lack of cooperation by government agencies is naturally frustrating to researchers. Carnicom posts an open appeal on his web site for any professional to step forward and assist with the necessary research to track exactlv what these trails are. So far, the only response has been denial. The U.S. Air Force has even stated twice that the subject of chemtrails has been investigated and exposed as a hoax by all the mainstream media. This is simply not true. - Health Effects Heavy metals like barium and aluminum can induce upper respiratory ailments: Since the introduction of chemtrails some three years ago, there has been an increase in upper respiratory illness, along with an increase of flu-Iike symptoms in and out of flu season. In Oregon, asthma in children has increased dramatically. A naturopath in Portland has found an increase in heavy metals during blood testing for her clients. A core issue is informed consent. In 1977, a congressional hearing was held on secret testing conducted by the military and emphasized this point. Carnicom is urging another open congressional hearing now to expose the problem with this "systematic introduction of particulates." . A Sign of Hope Recently U.S. Congressman Dennis Kucinich visited Eugene and spoke about his new proposal for a Department of Peace and a House bill to ban weapons in space. HR3616, which has now been endorsed by 43 members of Congress, not only prohibits weapons in outer space, but also any "exotic" weapons like cherntrails. Along with the Kucinich bill, there is the new international Space Preservation Treaty, supported in the UN by a vote of 156 to 0 with the U .S, and Israel abstaining, In order to fund and enforcetbe treaty on a worldwide basis, Canada is taking the lead to gather signatories from 20 nations by the end of 2002. In our Star Trek generation, space is thought of as the final frontier. That frontier could be in jeopardy if the arms race continues to build into space. The Institute for Cooperation in Space, Global Network Against Weapons and Nuclear Power in Space and Rep. Kucinich are working to direct the nation 's attention to what could be the number one priority for survival on earth -peace in space, including the sky above our heads. For information on the Treaty and House Bill. see> www.peaceinspace.com For information on chemtrails,.see> www.carnicom.com; and www.lifeboatnews.com. Courtney Scott is a writer/photographer/cable access producer who has produced two programs on chemtrails and an activist with the Pacific Green Party. He is currently working on obtaining public power for the Portland Metro area. the Oregon Peaceworker can be found online at www.oregonpeaceworker.org unfortunately it is in PDF format which makes it difficult to read stories that continue on another page...
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Southern, Maine 496 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-08-2002 03:26 PM
Thanks for typing all of that!
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-09-2002 10:20 PM
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-11-2002 11:46 PM
so i came home tonight and said to my mate did you get the email i sent you and when she said she did not i sprung my big serprizedear i saiud you know that wakenhut relocation vacation we had so been lookig toward? well we just got an upgrade she understood in an instant sorry for the rest of you we needed a break sending poistcards out "itz a joke" if you know how to laugh good knight 
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 12:15 AM
as we walk along beside the ever reserecting liFe the GolDen sparkels Reside dropping amounge embers burnt out among lives far flung \ could mark sky be as insane as mSMBC?but seriousely on 911 you still can witness the evidence today the shock factor of germany in 1938 still an ember aglow ristagage change of power moltent steel pools aglow nieth the wourld trade center magnitude 2.3 shock record this on tape yet rah rah the burnning bush repete no scalar whent thither and yon surrender your box cutters and prepair to board

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 12:40 AM
nazi colaboratorz who see the sky as fair join in the taxpayer colusionadd your effort to grant your soul where the sun will never shine we walk upon the face of time stumbleing into reality we face the resistance to life shall i call out itz name or rather mimmic itz cry unknown to it is afraid to confront itz enemy known as YOU 
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 12:50 AM
But it fact you remain devine sheltered it the ever loving glow of creations love never concieving of its giftnever conde cending to the debths of knowledge you as i are able to pretend awareness as the tankerloads in nude ate the sky 
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 12:55 AM
for we are blessed we know nugagught the reason nor should we we are here and now at ground central as push comes to lies hear brother and sister i see your efforts as the monster climes know that a brief thief in the night shall be allowed and suffer the momment as heros
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 09:27 PM
but a blink in tyme yet so personal~ to us it seemswe were not created to be "played with" but in fact we have been so the equasion has been altered the anti upped there is a limit to our comprehention its Gods Will and for that I am Thankful the evile go towards the precipouse ever faster each daze longing to drag you along in the popular public opinion haze you hear and now resplendent see the truth 
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-12-2002 09:36 PM
"your" govern ment a sham of money taking creepz playing musical chairs and putting on rotating hatssecretary of state no rather general motors? dynamics? mills? electric? it makes the heads swim where is Bob Dylan when you need him? mayhaps at the biodiversity camp of Maurice Strong?
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-13-2002 10:19 PM
as my friend says "you are going to love this one" http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267 and this early message as well I just heard Sherman Skolnick say the "Orange Alert" announced today was due to a coup. Under the Uniform Military Code, the military was going to arrest Bush for treason -- ol' Cheyne was in hidding. He also said, it was a counter coup to deal with the real coup. Sherman has been an investigative reporter since 1958, and he's not about to lie or compromise his crediability. He reported, there will be more staged events here and possibly our embassies being bombed abroad, and Al-Quaeda blame. Apparently to gain foreign support to attack Iraq? I told everyone a couple of months ago, they may break into regular programming, and announce "This is your military administrator." We do have some very patriotic high ranking officers in our military, who will not let this country down. Ironically, this comes on the heels of an email I got today from Wndbear, via Rick S.: "Impeachment proceedings against George W. Bush?": Word from a congressional lunch room is that impeachment proceedings against George Walker Bush will be initiated, if he starts a war and no offensive nuclear weapon capability is found in Iraq. There is talk that grounds for impeachment will rest on a preliminary list of eight Articles of Impeachment: (8) listed. Interesting...
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-13-2002 10:57 PM
Worth reading in its entirity [version 2] {already there are several...humm} Published on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 in the Boston Globe Iraq War Hawks Have Plans to Reshape Entire Mideast by John Donnelly and Anthony Shadid Iraq War Hawks Have Plans to Reshape Entire Mideast by John Donnelly and Anthony Shadid WASHINGTON - As the Bush administration debates going to war against Iraq, its most hawkish members are pushing a sweeping vision for the Middle East that sees the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein of Iraq as merely a first step in the region's transformation. The argument for reshaping the political landscape in the Mideast has been pushed for years by some Washington think tanks and in hawkish circles. It is now being considered as a possible US policy with the ascent of key hard-liners in the administration - from Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith in the Pentagon to John Hannah and Lewis Libby on the vice president's staff and John Bolton in the State Department, analysts and officials say. The argument we would be starting a democratic wave in Iraq is pure blowing smoke. Jessica Mathews, president of Carnegie Endownment for International Peace Iraq, the hawks argue, is just the first piece of the puzzle. After an ouster of Hussein, they say, the United States will have more leverage to act against Syria and Iran, will be in a better position to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and will be able to rely less on Saudi oil. The thinking does not represent official US policy. But increasingly the argument has served as a justification for a military attack against Iraq, and elements of the strategy have emerged in speeches by administration officials, most prominently Vice President Dick Cheney. ''The goal is not just a new regime in Iraq. The goal is a new Middle East,'' said Raad Alkadiri, an Iraq analyst with PFC, a Washington-based energy consulting organization. ''The goal has been and remains one of the main driving factors of preemptive action against Iraq.'' Cheney revealed some of the thinking in a speech in August when he made the administration's case for a regime change. He argued Hussein's overthrow would ''bring about a number of benefits to the region'' and enhance US ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. ''When the gravest of threats are eliminated, the freedom-loving peoples of the region will have a chance to promote the values that can bring lasting peace,'' he told the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. The arguments are, by no means, uniform, and critics dismiss some as wishful thinking. Even among neoconservatives who see an attack on Iraq as a first step toward transforming the Mideast, there are debates over how far-reaching and fast the change will be. The more modest version sees an attack as sending a message to the rest of the region, making clear the US is prepared to unilaterally deploy its military power to achieve its goals, objectives, and values. Among its most extreme versions was a view elaborated in a briefing in July by a Rand Corp. researcher to the Defense Policy Board - an advisory group to the Pentagon led by Richard Perle, a leading hawk. That briefing urged the United States to deliver an ultimatum to the Saudi government to cut its ties to militant Islam or risk seizure of its oil fields and overseas assets. It called Iraq ''the tactical pivot'' and Saudi Arabia ''the strategic pivot.'' Within those poles some clear themes are emerging, and Saudi Arabia receives much of the attention, analysts and officials say. Patrick Clawson, deputy director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, contends that a pro-US Iraq would lead to a reassessment of the US-Saudi alliance, which dates to World War II but has become strained since Sept. 11 attacks, and the worsening of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. A friendly Iraq - home to the world's second-largest oil reserves - would provide an alternative to Saudi Arabia for basing US troops. Its oil reserves would make Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, less important in setting prices, he said. In general, others contend, a US-allied Iraq could work to diminish the influence of OPEC, long dominated by Saudi Arabia, over oil supplies and prices. ''We would be much more in a position of strength vis-a-vis the Saudis,'' Clawson said. Others espousing the vision see potential changes in Syria and Iran, as well. The fallout from an attack on Iraq could bring to a head the longstanding power struggle in Iran between conservatives in the clerical leadership and reformers grouped around President Mohammad Khatami. Some see the reformers invigorated by the example of a democratic Iraq, or even a surge in popular discontent leading to far-reaching change. At the very least, they argue, the show of US power would give the administration more leverage in pressuring Iran over its suspected missile and nuclear programs. The United States could exert that same leverage in forcing an end to Syrian support for Lebanon's Hezbollah, a Shiite Muslim guerrilla group allied with Iran that opposes Israel. A powerful corollary of the strategy is that a pro-US Iraq would make the region safer for Israel and, indeed, its staunchest proponents are ardent supporters of the Israeli right-wing. Administration officials, meanwhile, have increasingly argued that the onset of an Iraq allied to the US would give the administration more sway in bringing about a settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, though Cheney and others have offered few details on precisely how. ''Maybe we do stir the pot and see what comes up,'' one US official said. In its broadest terms, the advocates argue that a democratic Iraq would unleash similar change elsewhere in the Arab world - an argument resonant among Bush administration officials who have increasingly called for change in a region where Western-style democracy is virtually nonexistent. ''Everyone will flip out, starting with the Saudis,'' said Meyrav Wurmser, director of the Center for Middle East Policy at the Hudson Institute in Washington. ''It will send shock waves throughout the Arab world. ''Look, we already are pushing for democracy in the Palestinian Authority - though not with a huge amount of success - and we need a little bit more of a heavy-handed approach,'' she said. ''But if we can get a democracy in the Palestinian Authority, democracy in Iraq, get the Egyptians to improve their human rights and open up their system, it will be a spectacular change. After a war with Iraq, then you really shape the region.'' Critics call the arguments misguided at best, with tragic worst-case scenarios. ''There are some people who religiously believe that Iraq is the beginning of this great new adventure of remapping the Middle East and all these countries. I think that's a simplistic view,'' said Judith Yaphe, an Iraq scholar and senior research professor at the National Defense University. Jessica T. Mathews, president of Carnegie Endownment for International Peace, a Washington policy group, said that installing a democracy in Iraq, much less the rest of the Middle East, would be extraordinarily difficult, if not out of the question. She contended that change in Iraq is more akin to building a wall brick by brick and will require the support of allies. ''The argument we would be starting a democratic wave in Iraq is pure blowing smoke,'' Mathews said. ''You have 22 Arab governments and not one has made any progress toward democracy, not one. It's one of the great issues before us, but the very last place you'd suspect to turn the tide is Iraq. You don't go from an'' authoritarian '' dictatorship to a democracy overnight, not even quickly.'' Nevertheless, there are signs the thinking has powerful backers. While many of the hawks are under the wing of Wolfowitz, several conservatives hold influential positions in Cheney's office and in the State Department, which is headed by the administration's most prominent moderate, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. During the Clinton administration, many of them served with far-right, defense-oriented think tanks such as the Center for Security Policy and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Perle, an adviser to both groups, remains a resident fellow at the hawkish American Enterprise Institute and a member of the board at the Hudson Institute. ''There are people invested in this philosophy all throughout the administration. Some of the strongest voices are in State,'' said one senior US official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The most vocal hawk at the State Department is Bolton, who holds two titles - undersecretary for arms control and international proliferation and senior adviser to the president for arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament. © Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company ### Share This Article With Your Friends FAIR USE NOTICE This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. 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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-13-2002 11:22 PM
if you have read revelation smile and raise your hand in the last daze are the united states represented? yes or no?
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-15-2002 12:08 AM
Praise be the CrEaTor who evolves all over the place as change alters its stance roll up your sleaves and look asstance~ the movers and shakers rearange "reality" and you buy into it or do you? the polls say that better than half want to kill the iraqies even though they say this would bring inCreased TeRrorIsm aTtacks upon UsAdislectic at the most oil and drugz and control GOD DamN the Pussher man (i say) steppenwolf before the total takeover was a time where the davids could fight the carliels Go lie ethyet the origination of life listens to david and spurns the conflagurationZ of nationz dishonered and in shame so be the table of life and the level playingfield we assemble without as within compromises EVERYTHING

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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-15-2002 01:49 PM
FROM>http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-rain08.html Russians flip switch, say they made it rain September 8, 2002 BY VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV MOSCOW--A day after acrid smoke from forest and peat fires blanketed Moscow, a light rain Friday cleared the air--and the government claimed the credit. The Emergency Situations Ministry said it drew rain clouds to the smog-shrouded capital and created showers by switching on a cube-shaped piece of equipment, 3 feet on each side, that sits atop a ministry building. ''Yes, we did it,'' ministry spokesman Viktor Beltsov said proudly of the drizzle that brought relief after several rainless weeks. It was the first time the ministry used the ionizer, a device developed by its research institute that cranks out electrically charged atoms. ''The flow of ions blew a hole in the smog layer and drove its particles up higher,'' said the institute's director, Mikhail Shakhramanian. ''At the next stage, oxygen ions concentrated humidity.'' Todd Miner, a meteorologist at Pennsylvania State University, said he wasn't familiar with the Russian government's device, but he said it wasn't impossible to create a light drizzle under certain conditions. However, he said, ''in general the data I'm aware of suggests that in the past the benefits of producing rain has been minimal at best." AP (Chicago Sun Times) There are longer stories on this event in other newspapers, but this is the only link I have found so far. The 3 foot cube is said to be a cage crisscrossed by tungsten wire, was said to do the following "The flow of ions blew a hole in the smog layer and drove its particles up higher" sounds handy! 
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posted 09-15-2002 02:49 PM
It's a parametric continuous wave oscillator that is precisely pulsed at variable frequencies, coupled with a secondary continuous wave oscillator mounted directly below the first one, which is also pulsed in the same manner but at usually different frequency. It does have unique plating and wiring for conductivity and resonance. It's not that dissimilar from the high-tech radiosonde the gov has been using covertly for the past few decades. 
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-15-2002 11:53 PM
republican Ron Paul of Texas asks Congressman Ron Paul U.S. House of Representatives September 10, 2002QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned there are some questions that won’t be asked- and maybe will not even be allowed to be asked. Here are some questions I would like answered by those who are urging us to start this war. 1. Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War was because we knew they could retaliate? 2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate- which just confirms that there is no real threat? 3. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections we cannot be sure that Hussein might be hiding weapons, at the same time imply that we can be more sure that weapons exist in the absence of inspections? 4. Is it not true that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation? 5. Is it not true that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year? Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq? 6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong when he recently said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq’s links to terrorism? 7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place? 8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds? 9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan, another of our so-called allies? 10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into total chaos, with bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences; and that according to a recent UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all accounts, alive and well and poised to strike again, how, when, and where it chooses" 11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking down those who did attack the United States- and who may again attack the United States- and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States? 12. Would an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arab world's worst suspicions about the US-and isn't this what bin Laden wanted? 13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally inept at defending the country? 14. Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for permission to go to war? 15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying charges that thousands of Kurds in one village were gassed by the Iraqis, which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied the very city involved, and that evidence indicated the type of gas used was more likely controlled by Iran not Iraq? 16. Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000 and 300,000 US soldiers have suffered from Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War, and that thousands may have died? 17. Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against a country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States? 18. Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war against Iraq, with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American economy? How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed necessary to "build democracy" there? 19. Iraq’s alleged violations of UN resolutions are given as reason to initiate an attack, yet is it not true that hundreds of UN Resolutions have been ignored by various countries without penalty? 20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the very reason we can march into Baghdad? 21. Is it not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were set up by Britain and the United States without specific approval from the United Nations? 22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform to its rules only when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine our position, directing animosity toward us by both friend and foe? 23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president? 24. Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi gas attack on a Kurdish village? 25. Did we not assist Saddam Hussein’s rise to power by supporting and encouraging his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which at the time we actively supported? 26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate US policy? 27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real reason we plan to take over Iraq? 28. Why is it that those who never wore a uniform and are confident that they won’t have to personally fight this war are more anxious for this war than our generals? 29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression against us, and could not if it wanted? 30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other than self-defense? 31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another for the purpose of regime change? 32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the less likely disagreements will be settled by war? 33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory? 34. Is it not true that Pakistan, especially through its intelligence services, was an active supporter and key organizer of the Taliban? 35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal declaration of war resolution to the floor of Congress?

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-16-2002 12:01 AM
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-19-2002 11:20 PM
the forest regulator lives in a city the "represenantive lives" in DC the pusher lives in a castle overlooking the base they herd the sheep to slaughter to feed the masses asleep aRisE now 
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mark sky
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south coast of oregon 2600 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 09-19-2002 11:29 PM
on;y a fool turns its back upon democracy and lets it go its own way some rather keep the tinder dry and the finger upon the pulse http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/reports/images/Thumb_wv_3-99_6.jpg just vision and all that it entials we see in the plane blue sky remains a mist er rydesparat ly seeking the an sewer the de viel er of the soul but the PC of um the um planet throw salt over their shoulders so to speak the unexistant tankers continue to unload while
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