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Scanner
benign presence
Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 08:35 AM
  
Looks like a little activity down Duncan's way:
http://www.rense.com/general21/cm2.htm What's the scoop, Duncan? Scanner
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Scanner on 03-27-2002]
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-27-2002 09:26 AM
I don't know for sure, but my guess is that there is a pretty big delta between surface temps and temps at 10000 meters.Early week I saw -- on three ocasions -- three contrails, two of which formed an acute angle with the apex near the zenith and the third bisecting them about 20 degrees from the apex -- in other words, a huge "A" in the sky. Suddenly they were gone, and it was an article in the newspaper that pointed out a very interesting "coincidence": The University of Arizona was knocked out of the NCAA basketball playoffs. Coincidence? Hmmmmm....
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 03-27-2002]
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KnewEyes
watcher
under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 09:32 AM
They heard I was headed down that way. Yep, it's all because of me. 
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-27-2002 09:45 AM
The chem crap hung in the air from the time it was sprayed in the a.m. yesterday until past midnight across Southern NM and well into TX. Monday was as clear and blue as anyone could want. Right now it is the same except that the Big Boys and their Toys are out there ruining it again.  Are you going to the Land of the Stealth Deltas or NM, Knew Eyes? ______________________
It isn't easy bein' green
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Scanner
benign presence
Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 10:51 AM
Herbivore and Duncan...didn't you guys have some pretty bad wildfires down there as well? Also, is it common to see trails like the ones in the pictures or is that a rare event for your area? Kneweyes...hope the skies are blue for you if you travel that way! Scanner
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-27-2002 11:14 AM
There was a big fire in Alto, Lincoln County. We get trails throughout the state frequently.____________________ It isn't easy bein' green
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plutobeach
New Member
South FL
17 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 11:17 AM
Scanner (and all)
Looks like a bunch of airline traffic. I should know, We left a big fat trail from Southern CA to near Houston. Westbound, we flew over the northern suburbs of Houston, west TX, southern NM, over the hills on the south side of Phoenix, then onto LAX.
I saw fat ones, skinny ones, "on and off" trails (left by a illuminati UAL 737?), trails crossing our path (X's in the sky), flew directly through persistent trails (funny, they seemed to be on the same route as us to LA) with no residue left on the windscreen or smell. Didn't see a single Military aircraft or hear unusual radio transmissions. We also got any altitude we requested. We also had varying degrees of contrails from our widebody airliner. We could see the shadow in the sky below us. A shadow, not a "laser beam, guiding device, black contrail, ect." Also saw the duststorms blowing eastward through the deserts, wildfire smoke in NM, and all the white sands from White Sands blowing east. All the southwest Chemtrail hotspots are under the major corridors into Southern CA. Cliffy Carnicom never answered my question air traffic since I know of one airline alone that has nearly 100 flights a day near his NM location. The OAT in these areas at 39000 and 41000 was -62C.
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-27-2002 12:10 PM
Fascination how there was ZERO airline traffic on Monday, but plenty today. Must have been one of those stealth deltas I guess. Boy, you must have gotten real dizzy on that commercial jet making those Xs! Did you need a barf bag, cuz just reading about it makes me think of those.________________ It isn't easy bein' green
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-27-2002 01:06 PM
Hey, Scanner!Anyplace out west is in danger of wildfires, especially in the summer. For us, a good estimate of summer wildfires is winter rain. The more rain we have, the more beautiful springtime is in the desert with all the lush growth -- which dies and turns into tinder come the summer heat! If that equation holds, we shouldn't have that bad a fire season in Arizona; winter was drier than normal. Interestingly enough, about 90 percent of the wildfires are caused by lightning strikes here. Come the July/August "monsoon" season, when the weather is from the southeast, we will have terrific thunderstorm activities -- but not much rain ii in the deserts. These "thundersprinkles" have all the bad stuff for starting fires, i.e., lightning; but none of the good stuff for stopping it, i.e., rain. Bummoir! It's fun being Grey -- and the travel benefits are great.
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plutobeach
New Member
South FL
17 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 01:27 PM
Herbivore,No traffic? Just because you didn't see any trails? Wrong Conditions are always changing. On my flight across the country, someplaces had contrails, some didn't. The amount of traffic generally was the same. Airplanes everywhere most of the time.
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E. Coli
New Member
9 posts, Mar 2002
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posted 03-27-2002 01:43 PM
I would agree with plutobeach on this one....There is ALWAYS commercial traffic. However, if the conditions are not right to support contrails, you will not see an airliner at 35,000-40,000 feet above the earth, and you will not hear it either.
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 02:25 PM
Scanner,In eastern New Mexico, the relationship is: less winter snow=more summer fires. And this winter there has been very little snow. Eastern New Mexico has also seen an increase in fires set intentionally by firefighters because they are paid less when they're not actually fighting fires. This could be a very bad year in the Lincoln National Forest. 
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news02/032502_news_homefire.shtml
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KnewEyes
watcher
under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-27-2002 04:30 PM
herbivore.. I am going to NM, tho I might take a little time and head into stealthland while I am there.
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-27-2002 07:56 PM
KnewEyes, you might want to check out the Historic District of Silver City. If you are doing the tourist thing, there are some cool places that you would not expect to find out there in Ranch World. Kind of like Santa Fe, but a bit more down to earth. But if you go to Santa Fe, don't miss the Flea Market!_____________________ It isn't easy bein' green
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innocent bystander
Senior Member
Location
0 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 03-29-2002 11:50 PM
herbivore,"Fascination how there was ZERO airline traffic on Monday, but plenty today. Must have been one of those stealth deltas I guess. Boy, you must have gotten real dizzy on that commercial jet making those Xs! Did you need a barf bag, cuz just reading about it makes me think of those." i am not sure that i follow your logic. are you saying that you didnt see any trails on monday or didnt see any aircraft? just because you didnt see any trails doesnt mean that the aircraft werent there. is it possible that the two aircraft crossing made the "x's"? or did you observe 1 aircraft make a straight line trail, turn off its spray, make a 270 degree turn, turn the spray back on and make the crossing trail? not trying to be argumentative, just not sure what you were observing. regards
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit
Flagstaff, AZ
700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-03-2002 04:27 PM
http://www.deepspace4.com/pages/chemtrails/bossier/1201/bossier281201.htm
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