posted 03-28-2002 03:55 PM            

PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE

1. Each State Party to this Treaty shall:

(1) immediately implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of such State Party; and
(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of such State Party and their components.

2. Each State Party to this Treaty shall immediately work toward supporting other non-signatory State Parties in negotiating, signing, ratifying, and implementing this world agreement banning space-based weapons.3.The Secretary General of the United Nations shall submit to the General Assembly of the United Nations within 90 days of the date that three (3) State Parties have signed this Treaty, and every 90 days thereafter, a report on:
(A) the implementation of the permanent ban on space-based weapons required by Section 1 of this Article I; and(B) progress toward negotiating, signing, ratifying, and implementing this Treaty as set out in Section 2 of this Article I.
4. Nothing in this Treaty shall be construed to prohibit:
(A) Non-weapons related Space exploration;(B) Research, development, testing, manufacturing or deployment that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or(C) Civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications,
navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote
sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.
Article II

1. Each State Party to this Treaty undertakes not to base in space any object
carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction, install such space-based objects or weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner. The moon, the planets, and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to this Treaty exclusively for non-weapons, peaceful purposes. The establishment of weapons-related military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies or space-based objects shall be forbidden.

2.The use of military personnel for scientific research or for any other non-space-based weapons, peaceful purposes shall not be prohibited. The use of any equipment or facility necessary for peaceful exploration or habitation of the moon, the planets or other celestial bodies, or on objects in space shall also not be prohibited.

Article III

Each State Party to this Treaty undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States, international organization, or other secret or unacknowledged entity, program or project to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of this Treaty.

Article IV

Each State Party to this Treaty agrees to the establishment, funding, equipping and deployment of a United Nations outer space peacekeeping agency, whose mission is to monitor outer space and enforce the permanent ban of space-based weapons under this Treaty.

Article V

As used in Article I, the terms:

1. "Space" or "Outer Space" includes all space extending upward from an altitude greater that 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth, and includes any celestial body in Space.

2. "Weapon" means any device capable of damaging or destroying an object or
person by kinetic projectile, nuclear, conventional or other detonation, chemical or biological agents, directed energy sources, electronic, electromagnetic, sonic, laser, psychotronic, gravity or zero point energy, or as yet unacknowledged or undeveloped means, including exotic weapons systems.

3. "Exotic weapons" systems include: electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons; chemtrails; high altitude extra low frequency weapons systems; plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons; laser weapons systems; tactical, theatre, strategic or extraterrestrial weapons systems; chemical, biological, environmental, climate or tectonic weapons; weapons systems which inflict damage by misusing natural and space ecosystems, including the upper atmosphere and ionosphere, climate, weather, and tectonic systems.

4. "Space-based weapon" and "weapon system" means any tactical, theatre or strategic weapon, weapon system or component that is based in space, on the moon, on the planets or on any celestial body, or on any object in space.

5. "Object" means any manufactured object, whether land, sea, air, or spaced-based.

6. "Person" means any person, whether land, sea, air, or spaced-based.

7. "Development" means that phase in the evolution of a weapon system or component of a weapon system that is beyond basic research, including the acquisition of materials and services, or the building of any
subcomponents of the system necessary to conduct research and
development, testing, experiments, or deployment outside a laboratory, even if such activities are not capable of damaging or destroying the class of targets against which the weapon system is designed to be used.

8. "Unacknowledged" means an organization, entity, program, or weapon system that is covertly planned, funded, developed, administered or implemented for the beneficial interest of any State or other organized entity using fraud, secrecy, false cover, subterfuge, compartmentalization, and any other means of deception.

Article VI

Each State Party to this Treaty undertakes to take any measures it considers necessary in accordance with its constitutional processes to prohibit and prevent any activity in violation of the provisions of the Treaty anywhere under its jurisdiction or control.

Article VII

1. The provisions of articles I and II of this Treaty shall apply to all States,
regardless of whether such States are signatories to this Treaty.

2. Any State Party to this Treaty may propose amendments to the
Treaty. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the Depositary who shall promptly circulate it to all States Parties.

3. An amendment shall enter into force for all States Parties to this
Treaty, upon the deposit with the Depositary of instruments of acceptance by a majority of States Parties. Thereafter it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of acceptance.

Article VIII

This Treaty shall be of unlimited duration.

Article IX

1. Two years after the entry into force of this Treaty, a conference of
the States Parties to the Treaty shall be convened by the Depositary at Geneva, Switzerland. The conference shall review the operation of the Treaty with a view to ensuring that its purposes and provisions are being realized, and shall in particular examine the effectiveness of the provisions of articles I and II in eliminating the dangers of an arms race in space, and of space-based weapons.

2. At intervals of not less than two years thereafter, a majority of the States Parties to the Treaty may obtain, by submitting a proposal to this effect to the Depositary, the convening of a conference with the same objectives.

3. If no conference has been convened pursuant to paragraph 2 of this article within ten years following the conclusion of a previous conference, the Depositary shall solicit the views of all States Parties to the Treaty, concerning the convening of such a conference. If one-third or ten of the States Parties, whichever number is less, respond affirmatively, the Depositary shall take immediate steps to convene the conference.

Article X

1. This Treaty shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign the Treaty before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.

2. This Treaty shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

3. This Treaty shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by twenty Governments in accordance with paragraph 2 of this article.

4.For those States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited after the entry into force of this Treaty, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.

5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Treaty and of any amendments thereto, as well as of the receipt of other notices.

6. This Treaty shall be registered by the Depositary in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.

Article XI

This Treaty, of which the English, Arabic, Chinese, French, Russian, and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall send certified copies thereof to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized thereto by their respective governments, have signed this Treaty, opened for signature at Geneva on the ____day of _The Space Preservation Act of 2001 introduced on Oct. 2nd offers us the
_________, two thousand and one.

posted 03-28-2002 06:39 PM            

And who are all these European NGOs who are reviewing it?

If it’s really that important to know the individual players, you might try sending an email to Bob Fitrakis. Why, it’s probably nothing more than a bunch of whacked out chemnoids, of course...

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posted 03-28-2002 08:35 PM            

A BILL
To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Space Preservation Act of 2001'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. PERMANENT BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE.

The President shall--

(1) implement a permanent ban on space-based weapons of the United States and remove from space any existing space-based weapons of the United States; and

(2) immediately order the permanent termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States and their components...

posted 03-31-2002 09:35 PM            

You tell me if it's important! If I say that "Ten well-known regular posters at carnicon have admitted that they're just in it for the women" or something equally ridiculous, you can be your bottom dollar that I would be expected to say just who those people were!

If there's no information about where that bill came from (outside a attribution by Will Thomas of Bob Fitrakis). Cruising over to the http://www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/articles/world_treaty.htm website shows you the “treaty” all right, and their “home” button, which takes you to the “Global Network”. Now they don’t say where that so-called “treaty” comes from, or who the NGOs that are even looking at it are, and so on and so on and so on.

If there really are any “NGOs” looking at the “treaty” you’d think the people who were pushing the treaty would identify them! My belief is that someone re-wrote Kucinich’s dead bill, thinking ‘wouldn’t it be nice if we could get something like this…?” and then decided to publish it; Fitrakis picks it up with the side comment that non-existent non-government organizations are looking at it; and everyone who had finally come to the realization the Kucinich was using them get all out-of-breath and excited again.

Meanwhile, not a shred of evidence, just the same sheeple being led to the shearing-shed….

posted 04-01-2002 12:09 AM            

Perhaps that's one of the reasons for the excellent money being made in Orgone chembusters and wholly ham grenades these days....

posted 04-01-2002 01:33 AM            

I'd rather drop a couple hundred bucks on one of these contaptions than invest one tarnished penny in Boeing. If their engineers spent as much time designing cockpit doors as they do playing games on internet forums, maybe people wouldn't be quite as likely to turn their fabulous flying machines into skyscraper killers.

posted 04-01-2002 09:32 AM            

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posted 04-01-2002 10:18 AM            

As one of the few individuals who has the background in checking out spurious data, I shall be pleased to do the necessary research and will report to you if I find anything. However, I recommrnd that you do not hold your breath, as it were; typically such responses are slow in coming, if they come at all.

I also want to commend you to not rising to the bait of defending your company against the attack on an earlier post.

And although I appreciate your disregard for the 'conspiracy theory ... crap', as you call it, we should give these enthusiasts the benefit of the doubt in their assertions (although such a scenario is hardly likely).

Regards,

posted 04-01-2002 12:05 PM            

Far be it from me to 'bait' anyone. In fact, this 'activity' has inspired me to look into Boeing's track-record when it comes to their commitment to the security of this nation, the health of it's citizens and their concern for the environment.

Only then will the casual reader have a framework within which to understand the motivations of someone utilizing the Boeing computer network to further the cause of environmental anti-awareness...

The Boeing Files

posted 04-02-2002 01:59 PM            

i cant believe that you would blame the 9/11 attrocities on boeing. this is one of the most rediculous statements that i have read on this board. i also cant believe that you would take the worst day in our history and try to use it for your puposes.

"...than invest one tarnished penny in Boeing. If their engineers spent as much time designing cockpit doors as they do playing games on internet forums, maybe people wouldn't be quite as likely to turn their fabulous flying machines into skyscraper killers"

are you a pilot? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. the cockpit doors had nothing to do with the 9/11 events. prior to 9/11, you wouldnt need to bust done a cockpit door to gain access. all you needed was to hold a knife to a flight attendants throat, which is what happened in this case. things have changed since that tuesday.

how can you possibly blame boeing? maybe we should blame ford for making the car that drove these idiots to the airport.

"Duncan Kunz is the only person posting on this thread who regularly utilizes Boeing resources to further 'his' agenda."

of course he would use boeing as a source. why are you against using one the world leaders in aviation as a source in dealing with a subject that is so closely tied to aviation. i guess you find message board gossip to be a better source of info.

posted 04-02-2002 04:19 PM            

Duncan Kunz, and his employer, are fully capable of defending themselves.

quote:

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the cockpit doors had nothing to do with the 9/11

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Which is why they are in the process of replacing every last one of these cockpit doors, correct?

Reply neither requested nor required. I guess if I need a 'hoooked on phonics' lesson I'll look you up, 'Rediculous'.

posted 04-02-2002 04:44 PM            

quote:

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...of course he would use boeing as a source.

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posted 04-02-2002 05:35 PM            

"Until you learn to read (and respond in an intelligent manner),"

i'll admit that it will be tough to meet the high intellectual standards of your gems. what part of your post did i not grasp. your post basically accused boeing of gross negligence that directly led to 9/11.

"Which is why they are in the process of replacing every last one of these cockpit doors, correct?"

tell ya what. i'll take your advise and read your posts a little more carefully if you promise to research a subject a little more before you start spouting off about something you know nothing about. you do understand that there is no difference in construction of cockpit doors amongst any of the manufacturers. everyone is strengthening the doors, not just boeing. the reason the doors are being strengthened is because hijackers can no longer gain access by threat anymore. their only recourse is to brake them down. in other words, this is to prevent a future event, not correct a previous problem.

i work on the other side of that new cockpit door, so i think i have a better perspective than you in this case. the strengthening of the cockpit doors was one of many new security measures implemented after 9/11. not every new measure indicated a failure on that day. the hijackers did not gain access by braking the door down. what i find indefensible is you using this tragedy to attack someone who you dont like.
nothing boeing could have done would have prevented what happened.

by the way, i wansnt defending mr kunz, he seems to have no problem putting you in your place. i was defending boeing and also letting you know that i didnt appreciate you using the events for your own selfish purposes.

posted 04-03-2002 01:04 AM            

I almost feel sorry for ya dunk...since your so nice and all...

almost...