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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-09-2002 02:46 AM
In order to give credence to my theory,I am going to post a "chemtrail forecast" every day on this thread whenever possible.I have to my own satisfaction found a very predictable pattern of chemtrail activity , and I believe I can now accurately forecast chemtrail activity. >>>>>forecast:Based upon the probability of an x-class flare in the next 24 hours(10%), I predict heavy chemtrail activity april 9 ........edited april 9th to include corelating data from personal observations: Stamford, CT, USA 404 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-09-2002 12:46 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We got heavily chemmed today. Multiple fat trails and haze drifted in from the west again and by sunset the entire sky was a real mess of some of the most unusual gray, white, black and cream colored clouds I have seen so far. The mess was so thick that it blocked out the sun again. The temperature is 49 degrees with 91% humidity. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic:QUIET Anne Senior Member Napa, CA USA 93 posts, Feb 2001
posted 04-09-2002 01:09 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.atmos.washington.edu/images/vis/2002040816.gif We in CA had mostly overcast and rain may be in our forecast soon. Look at what they are spraying out in the Pacific! Is it ship trails, I think not! BOB B Senior Member LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 203 posts, Jan 2002 posted 04-09-2002 02:34 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- april 09-Based upon the data (10% probability of an x-class flare withen 24 hours)I predict heavy chemtrail activity tonight and tommorow...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edited from this point on april 9 to include corelating observations:FLKook Don't Chemplicate Life East Central Florida 603 posts, Apr 2001 posted 04-09-2002 07:58 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We've got major spray going on here already today. The sky was beautiful blue at 7AM, less than two hours later it looks like milk, with all kinds of trails. Solar X-rays: M Class Flare Geomagnetic Field: Quiet Current Temp: 63 °F Wind: east at 6 mph Humidity: 90% Dewpoint: 60 °F Barometer: 30.24 " and steady Dan Rockwell Hoka hey! - heyokas! Stamford, CT, USA 404 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-09-2002 11:39 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sky is hazy and partly cloudy today with trails mixed in with the clouds. They're spraying us again. The temperature is 72 degrees with 52% humidity. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic-QUIET Jeanie Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 52 posts, Nov 2001 posted 04-09-2002 05:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday in northwest Connecticut. Cloudy, am very aware of the sound of jets regularly going over. 2.M. clouds parted to show some blue with many rows of trails evenly spaced along with one black trail. Warm day and I am a lover of the out doors in a big way, yet I know for now those days of absorbing nature to the fullest are GONE (temporarly) I feel terrorized. Barely breathe outdoors. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Jeanie on 04-09-2002] eyesopen Surfah Southern, Maine 247 posts, Apr 2001
posted 04-09-2002 06:35 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very bad here today. Breaks in clouds showed lots of chems with a very un-white sky. Saturated to the max.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-09-2002 09:50 PM
Chentrail forcast for april 10--Based upon the data and the probability of an x-class flare tommorow(10%), I forcast moderate to heavy spraying to supplement yesterdays heavy activity ----edited april 11-----dont know what yall got, but we got plastered here with multilayered chemclouds and trails.SEveral aircraft(@15-20)would fly right over where another just did,one right after another, apparently trying to mask thier actions
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas 1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-09-2002 10:02 PM
Good work, BOB B! This is very interesting.
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herbivore
Along for the ride

New Mexico 105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-10-2002 09:29 AM
Yesterday's spraying was pretty light here. I hope you can figure this out!

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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-10-2002 09:42 AM
Dont understand your lack of spraying there, Herb, everyone else got it bad, maybe you were spared because an adequate "shield" was already in place over your location.My guess is they measure various attributes of thier mess and then spray where reinforcement is nessecary, especially during times of increased solar activity.I know the overall observations will back up my theory 
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herbivore
Along for the ride

New Mexico 105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-10-2002 09:59 AM
As you can imagine, I am not complaining about our old fashioned blue skies and real clouds (not the Kule Wip variety). There will always be anomolies in raw data, exceptions that prove the rule, etc. It is an interesting theory and has fascinating support from the member who posted on the necessity of increased solar activity for human transformation.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-11-2002 10:18 AM
The chemtrail forcast is for continue spraying('magine that!) with x class flare probability at 10%.expect moderated to heavy spraying for April 11...hey, how come nobodies' postin' in the chemtrail observations post anymore, I need corelating data.please post your sightings there, i will paste them and move them here.............................edited at 8:19 pm ct to include corelating data::What we saw last night were the jets moving into position. Right now we're getting sprayed heavily with multiple persistant trails and haze in the sky. 5 trails were made in less than 10 minutes. Temperature 53 degrees with 40% humidity. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic:QUIET FLKook Don't Chemplicate Life
East Central Florida 606 posts, Apr 2001 posted 04-11-2002 11:32 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We've been sprayed like roaches all morning. Very obvious geometric grid pattern covered every part of the sky then blended into the all too familiar chemdome. For about two hours there was a chemrona around the sun till that was hazed out. Now we've got the brown oily puffy clouds and the black sparse flat bottom (2D looking) rain type clouds that don't produce much more than spit. Solar X-rays: M Class Flare Geomagnetic Field: Quiet Current Temp: 79 °F Heat Index: 80 °F Wind: variable at 6 mph Humidity: 53% Dewpoint: 61 °F Barometer: 30.25 " and steady eyesopen Surfah Southern, Maine 248 posts, Apr 2001
posted 04-11-2002 02:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lots of spraying here today. Just watched a horizon tom horizon trail made overhead. Jeanie Senior Member North East U.S.A. 53 posts, Nov 2001 posted 04-11-2002 02:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Northwest Connecticut: Very, very, very heavy spray day. UGH !!! No let up, Five at once from northeast, big curve heading southwest. mark sky ~just_ice_ob~server~ south coast of oregon 1965 posts, Oct 2000 posted 04-11-2002 02:41 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have been "living" under peasoup fog (smoke like haze) at 80 to 200 feet above sealevel since Monday morning. Once yesterday just before noon, a hole in the cover opened up and there were white bar clouds with buff brown cumilo puff clouds up above the fog. YaWn~ nap time ~ hyber nation wake me up when its time to die OK? nevermind~ i will just sleep through it KrissaTMC2 Never Surrender! Greenwich, CT, USA 101 posts, Feb 2002 posted 04-11-2002 05:44 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greenwich and Stamford have been getting sprayed all day and they're still spraying here now. I've seen as many as 5 jets in the sky at one time making trails. I drove through Stamford earlier and it looked like a war zone with chem-clouds and trails every where. Solar X-Rays:ACTIVE Geomagnetic:UNSETTLED
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-12-2002 12:00 AM
April 12 Chemtrail forecast.With the probability of an Earth facing X class flare at 10% ,the probability of an M class flare at 60% and three major sunspots on this side of the Sun, expect not to be breathing very well tommorow, I forecast heavy spraying again for april 12.....EDITED APRIL 14 TO INCLUDE CO-RELATING DATA FROM "OBSERVATIONS"POSTS::..............................................................................The jets were spraying here all day till sunset with the majority of them flying SW. There were big fat trails and haze with sometimes 2 or 3 trails in a row. I even saw 2 jets flying in formation spraying with one almost following the other one at different altitudes. - There were so many trails being formed that we had a hell of a time keeping track of them all. I don't think that there was a part of the sky that didn't have haze, chem-cloiuds or trails in it. However, even with all the spraying, the sunset almost looked normal for a change, but there was a definite haze in the western sky. - The sky seems to be almost clear overhead now but there is still some haze on the western horizon. The temperature is 41 degrees with 85% humidity. Solar X-rays:ACTIVE - Geomagnetic:UNSETTLED
herbivore Along for the ride
New Mexico 46 posts, Jan 2002 posted 04-12-2002 12:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Light spraying of Southern NM yesterday and so far today. eyesopen Surfah Southern, Maine 253 posts, Apr 2001
posted 04-12-2002 01:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure is super-chemmy in the sky here. Has anyone had more than half a day to a whole day of blue sky lateley? Most I've seen here in a long time is up to one day before the chems start coming in. FLKook Don't Chemplicate Life East Central Florida 615 posts, Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2002 02:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Eyes, our sky wasn't really all that bad lately. Up until day before yesterday we had about a week's worth of real sky and clouds. Since Thursday it's been non-stop CT activity. Today is total overcast and rain so who knows what is going on above. Dan Rockwell Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA 443 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-12-2002 06:43 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sky was completely gray today and the haze was so thick that I didn't see the sun all day. The temperature is 53 degrees with 98% humidity. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic:UNSETTLED FLKook Don't Chemplicate Life
East Central Florida 615 posts, Apr 2001 posted 04-12-2002 07:16 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The rain broke off around 5:00PM and gave way to total chemdome (probably been there all day)with trails still defined through the off white muck. 2D clouds black bottom clouds were there too. Sun would have shown if all was normal but instead was just that freakish glowing blob behind their curtain of crap. my OBSERVATION FOR APRIL12: hEAVY MULTILAYER SPRAYING OCCURED, COMPLETELY OSCURING THE SUN.HAD DIFFICULTY BREATHING, VERY EASILY WINDED..TEMPERATURE HELD STEADY ALL DAY LONG.BLUEISH CHEMFOG HUNG IN LOW SPOTS
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 04-12-2002 12:26 AM
Thanks for the warning BOB B. The solar X-rays are active but the magnetic field is unsettled and I'm watching the data very carefully now. BTW, did you read this article about magnetic anomalies.Anomalies hint at magnetic pole flip http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992152 
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-12-2002 01:35 AM
Yes, I have researched it,... but thank you for bringing it to my attention anyway,Dan.I have been intrested in the study of our star since I was 7, and had a dream about it going haywire.Believe it or not, my nighmare came true.One of the "illuminati"S secrets is that the Sun is actually a variable star, and not a yellow dwarf as has been insinuated by the "scientific" world...Information is suppresed by "science"...ever wonder why all the craters on the moon are perfectly circles when it seems highly unlikely an asteroid would strike at a dead on angle??Fact is,THEY RARELY EVER DO!! ,.Ill leave it for you to figure out, I did when I was @10 yrs. of age.
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 04-12-2002 03:09 AM
I kind of remember when I was school that the scientific community considered the sun to be a stable star. However, I'm not sure exactly when, but they did finally have to admit that the sun was actually a "semi-regular variable star" - something that my native ancestors knew for a long time. I did find this information about the sun on one of the NASA web-sites: "The Sun is a run-of-the-mill, ordinary, "cool" star. Its surface temperature is less than 6000°K; its size (one solar radius is 696000 km) is rather on the small end of the stellar size distribution. The Sun is also a variable star: enormous active regions of magnetic flux (with field strengths of up to 2000 - 3000 gauss, or 1000 times the earth's surface magnetic field strength) emerge from the convection zone onto the solar surface with a frequency that varies over a cycle lasting about 11 years. Associated with the magnetic active regions are a wide range of solar activity: sunspots, flares, faculae, plage, and so on. As the Suns rotates, differential rotation (the Sun, as a gaseous body, rotates at different rates at different latitudes) stretches out the active regions, and large-scale overturning motions below the solar surface push the remnants poleward. At high latitudes, the magnetic flux is submerged." http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/spartan/the_sun.html In 1998, while I was doing my usual archaeological work, I became aware of accounts etched in stone dating back a couple of centuries of increased solar activity, droughts, etc. with New England taking the brunt of it. - I also talked to a few people who were well versed in native culture and tradition who felt certain that what happened then would happen again. - So for the last 3 years, I have been trying to piece together as much of the evidence that I can find to see if the accounts were accurate as to the severity of the solar event and whether or not it could possibly happen again.

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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-12-2002 08:22 AM
Dan,as a Lakota-ojibway decendant, I take native cuture seriously, although Ive never studied it intensively as you apparently have. I have spent much time talking with the elders.Native prophecies have in the past always been very accurate.The hopi prophecy is coming to past,as are man other native apocalyptic predictions.....please post observations of chemtrails in the observation post,I need co-relating data
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-14-2002 10:49 PM
Chemtrail forecast for April 15: With the probability of an M-class flare tommorow(april 15) at 75% and the probability of an x-class flare at 10%, expect heavy spraying againg for Monday, april 14.A large , potentially dangerous sunspot is Earth -facing, and this one is HUGE!!! personal observations: chemtrail activity was frantic today,the spraying was so intense it completely obscured the sun...spraying was most intense in the afternoon, although it started before dawn..............your obsevations an Rockwell Hoka hey! - heyokas!Stamford, CT, USA 448 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-15-2002 11:48 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Things were pretty quiet until about 7:00 PM then the chem-jets came out ogf the woodwork again. They were traveling SW and East spraying till sunset. The ones flying East were following the same flight corridor of commercial jets that were taking off from Westchester County airport as if trying to blend in. The funny thing about the whole thing is that I never noticed this corridor before so they must have just started using it recently. There were some black clouds in the sky at 6:00 but they seemed to thin out and become almost smoke-like in the haze and by sunset, the sky was almost clear except for a few clouds that were in the western part of the sky. The temperature is 60 degrees with 84% humidity. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic:QUIET.
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 04-15-2002 12:28 AM
It's good to know that Krissa and I aren't the only ones with native blood here. BTW, did you have any unusual weather conditions on the 14th? I was just wondering because of this image I got from the GOES 8 site.

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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-15-2002 11:49 AM
HOLY COW!!
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-15-2002 12:14 PM
quote: Chemtrail forecast for April 15: With the probability of an M-class flare tommorow(april 15) at 75% and the probability of an x-class flare at 10%, expect heavy spraying againg for Monday, april 14
Clear on both the 14th and the 15th in my area. 
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-15-2002 02:04 PM
Where is "your area"?? chem 11, and I will send you the observations of others in your area.Please respond , I need any observations you can provide, so long as they are accurate and tell specific times and locations of observations.Your information is much too vague to be useful,and until these facts are provided it is not usable data
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Chem11
megasprayer news

The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-15-2002 04:01 PM
I wasn't aware that you were collecting data for an unbiased inquiry, Bob B. To all appearances, the 'solar shield exclusively' theory is a forgone conclusion in your mind.My Area is Tampa Bay/Clearwater, Florida. Time of observation is dawn-till-late evening on the fourteenth and early morning until present time (appx. 5 PM eastern) today. I can't be any more 'specific' than that, simply because there has been nothing to 'observe'. Which is how I like it. My area (Tampa Bay/ Clearwater) typically receives moderate to heavy spraying five days out of the week. In other words, I could throw a dart at a calendar and forecast chemtrail activity with at least 71.4% accuracy. 
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-15-2002 08:55 PM
perhaps you may be being spared because the ocean is dying south of your location
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-15-2002 09:14 PM
Since Ive been doing this forecast, not 1 day has been forcasted to be chemtrail free, for the simple reason the sun hasnt had a quiet day---this is when the truth will come out, when the sun calms down for a week or so.The chems disappear...Please realize that spraying will not occur everywhere on any given day, I dont believe they have the resources to do this, so they spray areas which need "reinforcement" first.You must realize, this is an ongoing daily operation, and what I have established is an overall pattern of increased chemtrail activity which coresponds to solar activity.When the sun has another quiet time, you all will realize the truth then, because as I have already established to my own satisfaction, they dont spray when the sun is calm and predcicted to stay that way for a while
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-15-2002 11:40 PM
N.Calif. Today-- wind, cool,clouds in the afternoon, clearing by nightfall. Not a trail in the sky today anywhere.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-16-2002 09:03 AM
Chemtrail forcast for april 16-with the probaility of an m-class flare at 75 % and that of an x-class flare at 10%, expect chem activity to continue unabated.Due to the current location of the jetstream, expect chmtrail sctivity to be concentrated in these areas--Washington state,Idaho,the eastern part of Utah,the western half of Wyoming and Colorado, new mexico, Texas ,Oklahoma , western Arkansas ,Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin ,Indiana, and Michigan.The East coast should be quiet as should the south east gulf region,( although dont rule out local activity)as will California , Nevada and Oregon .......edited april 16 10:30ct pm to include observations-----------------LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 263 posts, Jan 2002 posted 04-16-2002 01:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the jetstream is passing right over maine, connetecut should be quiet, as should floriduh, no suprizes so far..i hope we get some reports,negative or positive, from the areas i predicted would recieve spraying april 16 Dan Rockwell Hoka hey! - heyokas! Stamford, CT, USA 466 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-16-2002 02:46 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's still pretty quiet here right now but we'll probably see some spraying by sunset. The temperature is 93 degrees now with 19% humidity. We definitely broke a record here and so did NY City. The last time it was close to being this hot on this day was in 1896 and the temperature back then was only in the 80's. Solar X-rays:M CLASS FLARE - Geomagnetic:QUIET [Edited 2 times, lastly by Dan Rockwell on 04-16-2002] herbivore Along for the ride
New Mexico 53 posts, Jan 2002 posted 04-16-2002 05:19 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today has been a perfect gem. Not a sprayer in sight. Temp: 75 (sorry, Dan), Humidity: 18% , Barometer: 29.96 inches and steady. [Edited 1 times, lastly by herbivore on 04-16-2002]
Dan Rockwell Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA 466 posts, Dec 2001 posted 04-16-2002 06:50 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The haze and old fat trails are starting to roll in from the west and they're spraying us now. Two jets were sighted within the last 10 minutes making trails. Jeanie Senior Member North East U.S.A. 56 posts, Nov 2001 posted 04-16-2002 08:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday the 16th, light spray day, from east of Colebrook pathway southwest. Drove south to Waterbury, always managed to see spray planes with dissipating trails, saw a few lasting trails here and there. As day came to a close activity picked up a bit, had the feeling they were priming the sky for a big day tomorrow. [Edited 2 times, lastly by Jeanie on 04-16-2002] eyesopen Surfah Southern, Maine 255 posts, Apr 2001
posted 04-16-2002 08:30 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I repeat... Bog day for chems here today. All day. I did notice they like to start the spray in a small haze/cloud puff whent hey can. I guess it is to hide the blatant start of the chemtrail more or something. Anyway very bad here today. Deborah Protect & Serve Boston, MA 243 posts, Jul 2000
posted 04-16-2002 09:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyesopen - I corroborate your report of trails activity today. This is getting pretty damned depressing. Day after day after day. Best, Deborah [Edited 1 times, lastly by Deborah on 04-16-2002] KrissaTMC2 Never Surrender!
Greenwich, CT, USA 115 posts, Feb 2002 posted 04-16-2002 09:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was really hot today here with no signs of any Chem-jets or clouds till around 6:30 when a few old trails and thin whispy clouds floated by. One jet made a trail as it was flying SW around the same time. The sky is almost clear now with just a little haze and no clouds anywhere to be seen. Solar X-Rays:M CLASS FLARE Geomagnetic:QUIET Deborah Protect & Serve
Boston, MA 243 posts, Jul 2000
posted 04-16-2002 10:12 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's temperatures at 6:00pm EDT: Boston, MA - 77 Hartford, CT - 93 New York City - 88
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-16-2002 10:02 AM
N.Calif= cold ,clouds, no trails.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-16-2002 10:37 AM
dAVID, WERE getting it here big as s#!t, but it (the spraying)is to create an overall effect, not a localized shield..i beleive they spray where the jet straem is in order to disperse the chems efficiantly...have patience, the jet is well north of you now and swoops down thru texas to your east.As i have said before, the proof will be when(or if!) the sun ever calms down, as I have said before..THE SPRAYING STOPS WHEN SOLAR ACTIVITY IS NORMAL AND EXPECTED TO STAY THAT WAY, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATELY A RARE OCCURANCE NOW.BUT THATS HOW (WHEN) I WILL PROVE WHAT I HAVE SAID.
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BOB B
Senior Member

LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS 307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-16-2002 10:41 AM
fROM THIS POINT ON I am going to forecast chem activity for specific locations, as the jet streams pssition dictates where they will most likely spray...I didnt expect David to get sprayed,I am working against myself not doing this extra step
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