posted 04-16-2002 12:41 PM            

Smiles here. Got the hint! Regretfully, no lobsters in the Lake!
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=1472&action=searchdbdisplay

posted 04-16-2002 12:51 PM            

Thanks for the 'heads up'. I re-posted them under the title - "U" Trails- .

posted 04-16-2002 01:29 PM            

anyway, since alcon is obviously avoiding me, can anyone explain to me why the trails in his pics are chemtrails. what are you seeing that i am not. i want to know what i should be looking for.

posted 04-16-2002 02:03 PM            

quote:

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i want to know what i should be looking for.

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1. Pesristent trails forming when atmospheric conditions do not allow for 'contrail' formation. See NASA's real-time contrail forecast for your area:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/contrail_forecast/contrail_prediction

2. Specific references and official acknowlegement of chemtrail spraying by elected officials who have access to classified information, such as Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich (head of the Armed Services and Oversight Committee) who has gone on record saying he is "well acquainted with chemtrail projects."

posted 04-16-2002 06:34 PM            

such as Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich (head of the Armed Services and Oversight Committee) who has gone on record saying he is "well acquainted with chemtrail projects."

posted 04-16-2002 10:17 PM            

CONGRESSIONAL BILL CALLS FOR CHEMTRAILS BAN

HR2977 is creating a 'buzz in the Air Traffic Control community. Introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on 'exotic weapons' . Section 7 of the 'Space Preservation Act of 2001' sought specifically to prohibit 'chemtrails' .

Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. "The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons, Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command's 2020 vision calls for 'dominance of space, land, sea and air'. http://www.rense.com/general20/cc.htm

And it is also mentioned here. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/Chemtrails%20News.htm

posted 04-17-2002 04:21 AM            

here's the quote and where I go wrong with it...

Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects.

was this above not a writer's attribute (embellishment) to what was said below ?

"The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons, Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command's 2020 vision calls for 'dominance of space, land, sea and air'

Kucinich was not in quote's (" ") so how am I to percieve it actually came from him ?

the text was written so incoherently that even I cannot understand it..and seems on the surface like spin...

how chemtrails made it into this bill is a mystery, and I think Kucinich was actually referring to all the other weapons that supposedly exist...lol...

btw, we need spaced based weapons vote yes !

posted 04-17-2002 05:05 AM            

Chemtrails outlaw
The government says they don’t exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action

by Bob Fitrakis

The debate surrounding the federal government’s alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a “permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space.”

The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article “Stormy Weather,” which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich’s bill explicitly outlaws “chemtrails.”

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings “a hoax.”

“The truth is there’s an entire program in the Department of Defense, ‘Vision for 2020,’ that’s developing these weapons,” Kucinich responded. Kucinich says he plans to reintroduce a broader version of the bill later this month. “Plasma, electromagnetics, sonic or ultrasonic weapons [and] laser weapons systems” were among those banned by HR 2977.

Two scientists working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base informed Alive of the ongoing secret experiments, one involving weather modification and the other involving the creation of an aerial antenna using a barium stearate chemical trail. The scientists referred to the work of legendary inventor Nikola Tesla. Before Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (or “Star Wars”), there was Tesla’s vision of high-tech space-based warfare and weather modification.

According to Tesla biographer Margaret Cheney, federal agents seized Tesla’s papers after his death in 1943. “[At] least one set of Tesla’s papers had reached Wright Field [now Wright Patterson Air Force Base],” Cheney wrote. The Aeronautic Systems Division at Wright Patterson admitted it had the Tesla papers but claim they were “destroyed.”

However, Tesla’s dream is embodied in a glossy brochure titled “Vision for 2020” released by the U.S. Space Command in 1998. The brochure states, “The emerging synergy of space superiority with land, sea and air superiority will lead to Full Spectrum Dominance.”

The Space Command spells out its purpose pretty plainly: “Dominating the space dimension of military operations to protect U.S. interests and investment.”

There’s nothing new here, for those who have been paying attention. In the 1970s, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, bluntly stated in his book Between Two Ages, “Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need to be appraised… [T]echniques of weather modification could be employed to produce prolonged periods of drought or storm.”

On January 4 this year, Canadian Professor Michel Chossudovsky, of the Center for Research on Globalization at the University of Ottawa, issued a report noting that weapons have the ability to trigger climate changes. “Both the Americans and the Russians have developed capabilities to manipulate the world’s climate. In the U.S., the technology is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Aural Research Program (HAARP) as part of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI),” Chossudovsky wrote. “Recent scientific evidence suggests that HAARP is fully operational and has the ability of potentially triggering floods, droughts, hurricanes and earthquakes. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction.”

Doubters of the military’s secret plans should refer to George and Meredith Friedman’s The Future of War, Power, Technology and American World Dominance in the 21st Century. The Friedmans, government-touted “arms experts” and favorites of the military-industrial complex, assert that “The American experience of power will rest on the domination of space.”

The U.S. Air Force giddily embraced the Friedmans’ thesis in the 1996 report “New World Vistas: Air And Space Power For The 21st Century.” The Air Force report notes, “In the next two decades, new technologies will allow the fielding of space-based weapons of devastating effectiveness to be used to deliver energy and mass as force projection in tactical and strategic conflict.”

State University of New York Professor of Journalism Karl Grossman, writing in 1999, revealed how the mainstream corporate press virtually ignores the government’s pronouncements while trade journals like Space News, Defense News, Aviation Week, Space Technology and Electronic Engineering Times routinely report on the military-industrial complex’s high-tech breakthroughs.

As for chemtrail skeptics, they might want to consult Rutgers University Political Science Professor Leonard Cole’s book Clouds of Secrecy: The Army’s Germ Warfare Test Over Populated Areas. Chemtrail deniers are apparently happy with the thought that their beloved paternalistic government would engage in aerial spraying over densely populated areas.

U.S. Representative Marty Sabo, a Democrat from Minnesota, denounced “the secret Army program to spray Minneapolis and other cities with chemicals in the 1950s and ’60s,” the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported in September 1994. “The idea that the government would use its own citizens as guinea pigs is appalling, and I condemn it in the strongest possible terms,” Sabo told a House subcommittee investigating the secret spraying, which used fluorescent tracers to mark wind patterns.

As for the Army, it argues that the secret Cold War-era spraying was not “human experimentation” since it didn’t target any specific individuals and the zinc cadmium sulfide used was harmless. But the International Agency for Research on Cancer lists all cadmium compounds as known cancer-causing agents.

Former students of Clinton Elementary in south Minneapolis told an investigating panel from the National Research Council that the Army’s secret chemical spraying adversely affected their health, according to the Star Tribune.

Skeptics who continue to insist the government would never be involved in secret aerial spraying, particularly in Ohio, may want to address their questions to the C-130 aircrews from the 910th Airlift Wing stationed at Youngstown’s Air Reserve Station. In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, “Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy… The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air.” The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against “insects with their deadly diseases.”

Apparently insects take many forms. During the Seattle demonstrations against the World Trade Organization in November 1999, CNN reported that a military air unit with pathogen capacity to induce sickness in humans was deployed against the demonstrators.

January 24, 2002

Copyright © 2002 Columbus Alive, Inc. All rights reserved.

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posted 04-17-2002 11:49 AM            

i must admit that alcon intrigues me. as i stated before, i have never met another pilot who believed in them. as a matter of fact, i can count on one hand the number who has even heard of them. so if alcon believes that means that maybe there are more. i just want to know what initially made him suspicious. what is he seeing that i am not.

chem11 stated in response to my question,
"Pesristent trails forming when atmospheric conditions do not allow for 'contrail' formation"

thats all good and well, chem11, but do you have the atmospheric data at the time and altitude for the pictures taken? i assume that you dont so why then have you assumed that they are chemtrails. do they look different (besides the "x" which i think that i have explained)

as to Kucinich. has he ever mentioned chemtrails besides to the one, undefined and since removed reference in the bill?

posted 04-17-2002 02:34 PM            

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I have not made any such statement regarding "X" trails, nor have I "deleted" any response to you.

I have not, in fact, addressed you at all in this thread.

posted 04-17-2002 03:37 PM            

last night before i went to bed i checked this thread and saw a post that responded to my questions. this morning i went back to respond and could not find it. i saw that you had a post with the context deleted and assumed it was yours.

posted 04-17-2002 09:12 PM            

Interesting photograph, as usual. Do you remember approximately what time of day that was taken?

No lobsters in the lake? I thought you guys had EVERYTHING in Texas - ha ha ha!

posted 04-17-2002 09:47 PM            

quote:

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do you have the atmospheric data at the time and altitude for the pictures taken? i assume that you dont so why then have you assumed that they are chemtrails.

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I made no reference to any 'pictures taken', IB. Simply go outside at the time you observe persistent contrails and check the NASA contrail forecast. You asked what to look for, I responded and now you are engaged in some sort of imaginal conversation. My mistake. And responding to your self-stated 'assumption' that I am making assumptions would only encourage this fantasty dialogue you appear to be having with several different people on this thread. Make all the assumptions you like. It matters not in the least bit to me.

That goes for you too, T/S. The statement was enclosed in quotes in the Taos News. If you believe this to be some vast left-wing media conspiracy to further befuddle the Flat Earth Society, then march yourself down to their office, the office of Columbus Alive and Rep. Kucinichs's office and tell them that Dennis couldn't possibly have gone on record with this, because, well, it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Again... it doesn't matter in the least bit to me one way or the other. I am willing to provide requested information to anyone who displays legitimate and healthy scepticism. However, I am not going to waste my increasingly dwindling resources of time arguing what Dennis Kucinich means by 'chemtrail'. Quick hint: chemtrail is an abbreviation for chemical trail, indicitive of the intentional relase of chemicals into our atmosphere resulting in the appearance of a trail and defined as an 'exotic weapon' within the body of HR 2977.

posted 04-18-2002 12:44 AM            

That goes for you too, T/S. The statement was enclosed in quotes in the Taos News.

well it was not here...and btw...what I believe or feel about anything is nunn-ya...and to add I would not go to ohio even to get a answer, of a legitimate question, of whether he said or not....

but, it does make me wonder how it (chemtrails) actually got in there (hr-whatever), and I'm choking slightly as I write this, but if true I'd lean towards what you (chemm) posted recently about the military's intentions...

man..I need that drink...

posted 04-18-2002 01:51 AM            

"You asked what to look for, I responded and now you are engaged in some sort of imaginal conversation"

wrong chem11, every question i have asked on this thread was regarding alcon's pictures. i'll ask again; what in alcon's cockpit pics leads you to believe that the trails photographed are chemtrails? i actually was trying to ask alcon, but he seems unable to answer a simple question. as he was piloting his MD-80 around the wild blue yonder, what brought his attention to these specific trails? i am saying that the trails in his pics look EXACTLY like the contrails that i see from my flightdeck. since alcon is unable to provide me with an answer, i asked if anyone else here could explain why the trails in alcons photos are chem.

regarding are favorite socialist congressman, please refer me to a quote where he is talking about chemtrails. somehow this word (apparently) got into a rough draft. it was the only "weapon" in the entire bill that was not defined. but listening to the people here you would think that he was out on the trail campaigning against chemtrails. there is an entire thread here claiming that kucinich is your hero. all i want to know is what he has said. all of the direct quotes from him have to do with space based weapons and nothing to do with chemtrails. are chemtrails now space-based? has anyone here attempted to contact him for clarification. it seems that no one wants to investigate this any further. why is this? is it because you are afraid that the whole thing was either a misunderstanding or maybe even a fake?

believe it or not, i am not trying to be argumentative, but getting a straight answer out of you guys is like pulling teeth.

so hopefully for the last time, i will ask;
(1) what leads you to believe that the trails in captain alcon's photos are chemtrails. please explain to me why they cant be ordinary contrails

(2) please link me to a quote where dennis kucinich was railing against chemtrails.

these are simple inquiries. why have i had to repeat myself 20 times on this thread.

posted 04-18-2002 02:50 AM            

lol !

get bent as bob b says...

and totally agree, alcon referenced other boards for a clarification of his aviation background and responses to earlier query, but the one's that I remember him posting on are dead now...*chemtrails.org" will get you a porn site these days...so IB your inquiry about alcon's aviation background is a valid one...

and hey alcon ain't these the same shoes O>J was wearing ? Hmmmm ? (fancy Italian shoesa)

oh and alcon, I asked for a area 51 pic recently, from way back you posted, it was a excellent desktop pic, and I really miss it...the link you gave does not render that photo there...it was a really good photoshop of "janet" parked in front of a sphinx and pyramid structures...

chow

posted 04-18-2002 07:57 PM            

And to add, I doubt ALCON777 is flying a Boeing 777....the photos seem to indicate he's flying an old DC-9.

posted 04-18-2002 09:40 PM            

I take it you're still of the opinion that there has been no discernible change in the general condition of our skies since 1999, right?

[Just checking.]