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LWR
Cognitive Dissonance
Menlo Park, Ca, USA
224 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 04-22-2002 08:05 AM
  
MOD Sprayed Millions Of Brits
With BioWar Germs
By Antony Barnett
Public Affairs Director
The Observer - London
4-22-2The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.
Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.
While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.
The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.
The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.
In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.
One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.
While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.
In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.
The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.
Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.
Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.
In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.
However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.
David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.
The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'
Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.
Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'
The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.
The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'
Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.
'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'
Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
antony.barnett@observer.co.uk
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 04-22-2002 12:21 PM
It's time for the "Lab Rats" of the world to unite. And when they make a long blast on the ram's horn,
then all the people shall shout with a great shout:
and the walls of the city will fall down flat.
-Joshua 6:5
http://www.ramshorn.bc.ca/
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Sore Throat
Senior Member
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736 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-22-2002 11:20 PM
What, no responses from the resident skeptics, the debunkers, the trolls, the seekers???No government would ever do such a thing, in secret, against their own unsuspecting population. Ha! Fools...fools...arrogant duplicitous fools!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sore Throat on 04-22-2002]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-22-2002 11:46 PM
throat,brent has brought up a good amount of info here there and almost everywhere that shows that the government(s) are not beyond doing bad things... but spraying chemicals in an aerosol form from 30,20,10 or even 5k is not effective and would not work...you know that...what are we back on the *cull* bandwagon again ? sheesh....
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T/S
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Sore Throat
Senior Member
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736 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 12:14 AM
You're the one talking cull seeker.You're a bullsh*t artist. You cannot find a single post of mine where I propose a "cull" theory. Put up or shut up...punk!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 12:26 AM
You cannot find a single post of mine where I propose a "cull" theory.oh but I've seen a few on boards that don't exist anymore... just for funzee's...what do you propose ? and no reason to get testy old man... sheesh x 2 ------------------
T/S
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mark sky
bin Rydin
SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2002 12:27 AM
I am the one with a cull "theriory" dude
take it up with me (documented}
in your face up to date commentary
land of and home of the free where
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mark sky
bin Rydin
SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2002 12:33 AM
corona smeekerZ walk a thin stripe where
no one can see
reality overhead yet all consume fed up
the lovin feelin transposed and magnIfied
we to dumb to understand
trounce upon the keys like marsupial Z
crashing into threads like we knew the latest pooooop you shead upon
butt we don't
so there
(did U laught?) busted
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mark sky
bin Rydin
SW coast of Oregon
1089 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 04-23-2002 12:38 AM
the March supialZ gather after wence
but April rocks
no matter what you defend unto your death you have
what you sow nowitz grew some so i wont >
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 12:47 AM
I am the one with a cull "theriory" dudeof course you are...wee go back to when you could spell mark the *pre-poetry* era...*chuck warren* grins... I don't see any need to "take up" anything...you have your belief and I mine...if you ask me what I think I will tell you...other than that...it's a free country...think what you will... I do find throats ambiguous nature regarding what he *proposes* rather interesting though... btw, for those interested, sheesh x 2 = "hashsheesh" and sheesh x 3 cannot be explained to un-illuminated beings...so there... ------------------
T/S
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Sore Throat
Senior Member
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736 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 01:08 AM
What is it that you don't understand about gravity seeker?What goes up must come down, unless of course, it escapes the earth's gravitational pull. Even you can't be a fool enough to think that seeker. So what's being spayed from planes in the skies over our heads is something that we all eventually breathe. Is that simple enough for you seeker?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 01:52 AM
What is it that you don't understand about gravity seeker?erm...mr. professor...we are talking about particles in the air that come out of jet engines right ? the one's that are smaller than normal condensation nuclei...right ? ok...your good at math right ? figure this up below in either case, aircraft-engines, or a delivery system of some type, deploy any of the past and present referred material, barium, aluminum, pseudomonous marcia brady(sp?) or whatever use pm 10 or 2.5 if you like at 30k, over say...slapout Oklahoma...with winds of a 100 knots at altitude (which is common)...where would that put the material in the inhailable range ? in carolina ? africa ? Togo ? Check ! ------------------
T/S
[Edited 2 times, lastly by theseeker on 04-23-2002]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 09:56 PM
I guess the above question was just to hard for you...checkmate ! ------------------
T/S
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Sore Throat
Senior Member
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736 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-23-2002 11:39 PM
seeker,If you could only get past your proclivity for public masturbation, you might actually learn something. Clouds of Secrecy
by Leonard A. Cole Death in the Air : Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare -- by Leonard G. Horowitz LETHAL BREEZE http://home.attbi.com/~kknowlto/lethal.htm RATS-Dugway Proving Grounds Survivors http://home.attbi.com/~kknowlto/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A US Army general in 1960 is reported to have estimated that just two aircraft, each carrying 10,000 pounds of biological agents over the US, could kill or incapacitate some 60 million Americans (source: Chemical and Biological Terrorism: The Threat According to the Open Literature )
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some authors maintain that anthrax is an even more deadly agent. According to one study, in principle, if its spores were distributed appropriately, a single gram would be sufficient to kill more than one-third of the population of the US. Of course, the authors were quick to point out that an attack of such magnitude would not be feasible. However, more realistic, smaller-scale scenarios still posit large numbers of casualties. For example, the US Law Enforcement Assistance Administration reported in March 1977 that a single ounce of anthrax introduced into the air-conditioning system of a domed stadium could infect 70-80,000 spectators within an hour). And a 1972 study by the Advanced Concepts Research Corporation of Santa Barbara, California, postulated that an aerosol attack with anthrax spores on the New York City area would result in more than 600,000 deaths. (source: Chemical and Biological Terrorism: The Threat According to the Open Literature )
http://www.ocean.ic.net/ftp/doc/disaster/bio/biowfaq.html#Q04
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-24-2002 12:03 AM
I ask you for a answer to a math equation and you give me link to cole's shit ?!?!?!?!listen if you can't do the math just say so... dumb quotes from your links... A US Army general in 1960 is reported to have estimated oh yeah the army estimated...woohoo... and the best for last... the authors were quick to point out that an attack of such magnitude would not be feasible and to boot it's not FEASIBLE ! you don't even read the stuff you post do ya ! obviously the last few years with a unchallenged counter-point has made you slow... back up what you say or stop the allegations... throat = paper tiger ------------------
T/S
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Sore Throat
Senior Member
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736 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 04-25-2002 08:32 PM
That's right squeaker...your opinion is worth so much more than the detailed and documented work of Cole (shit?!?!) and Horowitz. Your opinion is so much more grounded in research and fact. And the quote that you chose to take exception to, that "a single gram would be sufficient to kill more than one-third of the population of the US." is merely a hypothetical illustration of the potential toxicity of this particular bio-agent. Of course the dissemination of a "single gram" over a wide-spread area is non-feasible. But clearly, you are the one missing the point of these references. I can assure you that more than a single gram of material is being released by the fleet of planes criss-crossing our skies with CHEMTRAILS. And there is no doubt that this material is reaching ground level where the American population has no choice about the air that it is forced to breathe.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 04-27-2002 12:43 AM
cole shithere's why I call it that, since it's first introduction into this issue...seems only you and maybe "larry" find some applictation to attach it to chemtrails...I don't... I can assure you that more than a single gram of material is being released by the fleet of planes criss-crossing our skies with CHEMTRAILS. And there is no doubt that this material is reaching ground level where the American population has no choice about the air that it is forced to breathe. I'll ride along on some of that...however when volcanos spew tons of ash into the air we don't have much choice either... and that's *s-e-e-k-e-r*.... when you decide to do the math throat let me know...in the meantime...lets play count the contrails ! 
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T/S
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