posted 07-22-2002 01:22 AM               

Oregon Wildfire Threatens 60 Homes

ASSOCIATED PRESS

PORTLAND, Ore.- An 87,000-acre wildfire burned along a milelong front Sunday, threatening about 60 homes, and the number of firefighters assigned to the blaze nearly doubled.

A voluntary evacuation order remained in effect for the threatened homes near Summer Lake, and several homes in the Silver Lake area also were in danger, said David Widmark, a spokesman at the Northwest Interagency Coordination Center.

Thunderstorms were forecast in the area of south-central Oregon with a likelihood of lightning but no rain, said meteorologist Paul Werth at the interagency center. Any new fires started by lightning could draw crews off the state's major blazes, Widmark said.

"What happens with the weather will tell us what the rest of the week will look like for fire behavior," Widmark said.

Officials dispatched an additional 800 firefighters to the blaze Sunday, bringing the total force to about 2,000 people, and National Guard troops are expected to arrive Monday. The blaze was about 15 percent contained Sunday, Widmark said.

In addition to stiff wind and high temperatures, firefighters have faced a threat of electrical arcs as dense smoke creates short circuits between the ground and Bonneville Power Administration power lines in the area.

Blue bolts of electricity from the power lines already have killed several cows and firefighters won't go near the lines.

Two fires joined on Saturday to form the huge blaze on rolling hills between Summer Lake and Silver Lake, producing one leading edge about a mile long.

Altogether, about 25 major fires active

Sunday in Oregon had burned a total of 216,000 acres, officials said. Elsewhere, a 350-acre wildfire damaged or destroyed 10 homes Sunday in Lake Isabella, Calif., and forced the evacuation of an undetermined number of residents, officials said.

About 75 firefighters and three helicopters are working to save homes in the area. Lake Isabella is about 150 miles northeast of Los Angeles.

In north-central Washington, a wildfire near the north shore of Lake Chelan had burned about 17,000 acres, little changed from Saturday, officials said.

It was about 10 percent contained. A voluntary evacuation order remained in effect for nearly 300 homes near Lake Chelan. Several outbuildings had been destroyed but no homes had burned.

In Colorado, a fire near Rocky Mountain National Park had burned 5,000 acres and residents had been evacuated from about 225 homes in a subdivision near Lyons, 45 miles northwest of Denver.

Occupants of an additional 400 to 500 houses were told to be ready to leave. The Colorado blaze was 5 percent contained. It was 4 to 4.5 miles from Estes Park, one of the gateways to the national park.

A heavy air tanker was used to help firefighters Sunday.

On Thursday, a PB4Y-2, a converted World War II-era bomber, crashed near Lyons while fighting the blaze and both crew members were killed.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/21/072106783.html

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Today: July 21, 2002 at 22:25:14 PDT

Drought Makes Farmers Sell Cattle

ASSOCIATED PRESS

FORT PIERRE, S.D.- Leaning against a wall at the Fort Pierre Livestock Auction, third-generation rancher Bernie Lauing watches as pen after pen of young calves are steered into the auction ring and sold - two or three months ahead of time.

Summer usually is a slow time for cattle sales. But this summer, very little rain and day after day of searing heat have left about 70 percent of South Dakota's rangeland and pastures in poor condition.

That means little for cattle to eat or drink, and it's prompting a huge sell-off from herds, mainly to buyers in states where drought isn't a problem.

So many cattle were trucked in for a recent sale at Fort Pierre that the auction began at 8 a.m. and didn't end until 7 a.m. the next day. "It's a sad deal," says Lauing, 57. "I've had tough times before. This is the worst."

More than 4,000 head were sold that day, compared with 600 normally sold this time of year. The usually weekly auction, which draws buyers and sellers from several states, is running twice a week these days.

"That's a man's livelihood right there," Johnny Smith, a partner in the auction, says as he points to a batch of cows and calves awaiting sale. "God willing and a good banker, and he'll be back in business again someday."

Prices haven't been bad, although Lauing says he got $145 less for each calf because it was 160 pounds lighter than it would have been if sold this fall. "It's amazing that prices are holding up as good as they are," he says.

Although the sale barn is fouled by the smell of sweaty cattle, the air-conditioned building offers farmers and ranchers relief from the searing heat.

Men wait in the bleachers as jittery cattle are herded onto the sawdust-covered floor so buyers can get a good look at them. Sellers chat about the dry weather, lack of new grass and the stress on cattle, all the while keeping their ears tuned to the auctioneer's staccato cadence.

Cattle are the mainstay of South Dakota agriculture, normally accounting for about a third of the state's farm income. Nearly 108,000 cattle were sold at the five largest markets in the western half of South Dakota during May and June, 82 percent above a year earlier, says Dr. Sam Holland, the state veterinarian.

Jerry Vogeler, executive director of the South Dakota Livestock Auction Markets Association, estimates as many as 500,000 of the state's 4 million cattle, or 12.5 percent, may be sold prematurely because of the deepening drought. "It's gut-wrenching," he says. "It's beyond serious. It's critical."

Some ranchers are selling part of their breeding stock. The drought has forced others to liquidate entire herds, which is akin to selling all the machinery in a factory.

Without machinery, there is no income and no business. "It's a deal where only the tough and rough will survive," Smith says. "Drought makes you stop and figure your hold card."

Even if substantial rains fall soon, it's already too late for many ranchers. Still, many cling to the hope for moisture. "You'll never see a cattleman who isn't optimistic or he wouldn't be in the business," Smith says.

Seated inside the Fort Pierre sale barn is Mickey Simons of White Owl, about 60 miles east of the Black Hills. The rancher, accompanied by his wife and three children, is selling all 170 of his 1-year-old cattle. "We've got no grass, and our dams and wells are dry," says Simons, who has ranched for 20 years.

Those who sell more cattle this year will see their incomes rise, but their remaining herds will bring far less income next year, Simons says. He says he might have to sell even more of his herd if rain doesn't come soon. "It's getting close to being too late," Simons says.

posted 07-22-2002 10:51 AM               

Drought, abnormally dry weather hits 49 states http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/07/19/us.drought/index.html
The Weekly Drought Monitor, issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, predicted that a broad swath of the eastern United States -- from the Ohio Valley to Northern New England -- will see drought conditions develop in the next few months.
(And they should know, THEY are the ones CAUSING it with CHEMTRAILS weather modification.)
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/07/19/us.drought/index.html

Drought, abnormally dry weather hits 49 states

CAMP SPRINGS, Maryland (CNN) -- Abnormally dry or drought conditions affect all or part of 49 U.S. states and could worsen over the Northeast, government scientists reported Friday.

The Weekly Drought Monitor, issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, predicted that a broad swath of the eastern United States -- from the Ohio Valley to Northern New England -- will see drought conditions develop in the next few months.

Among the 50 states in this week's drought map, only Wisconsin is spared from dry conditions. This week's map is based on information collected through July 16.

Roughly 36 percent of the country is covered by one of four drought categories, which range from "moderate" to "exceptional," said Jay Lawrimore, a climate scientist with the National Climatic Data Center.

A large area of "extreme" drought -- the second-worst category -- extends from northern Montana to the Mexican border, and from western Nebraska to El Paso and San Diego. A smaller area of "exceptional" drought -- the worst conditions measured -- stretches southward from southern Wyoming to near the cities of Phoenix and Albuquerque.

Lawrimore said it is unusual to see drought over such a wide area, with some of the year's driest times still ahead. And he said it was "very unusual" to see all but one state touched by either full-fledged drought or abnormally dry weather.

The drought is also blamed for one of the worst wildfire years on record. Much of the West has been declared an agricultural disaster area by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, making farmers and ranchers in the stricken areas eligible for federal assistance. Many states and communities in the drought region have limited residential use of water.

Many of those same restrictions are in effect in the Southeast, where an area of "extreme" and "exceptional" drought stretches from central Georgia to just north of Richmond, Virginia.

A small area of the lower Rio Grande Valley is also in "extreme" drought -- but much of the rest of Texas has made an abrupt exit from the drought zone, swapping its dry weather for another problem: torrential rains and flooding.

The bad news will get worse, NOAA predicted. The Ohio River Valley and much of Upstate New York can expect drought conditions to develop, with several dry months on the horizon.

Hard-hit areas can expect little relief.

"No matter how you look at it, water shortages can be expected through October 2002 in most areas that are now experiencing drought," said Doug LeComte, of NOAA's Climate Prediction Center. LeComte said that much of the Rocky Mountains drought area has endured its driest January-to-June in recorded history.

posted 07-22-2002 11:27 PM               

Oregon Wildfire Grows to 92,000 Acres

ASSOCIATED PRESS

JOHNSONDALE, Calif.- A wind-whipped fire grew to 9,140 acres Monday after burning 10 structures and forcing more than 1,000 people to flee an area south of Sequoia National Park.

Among the evacuees were several hundred Boy Scouts, campers and residents of this hamlet 130 miles north of Los Angeles and the nearby town of Ponderosa.

"It's got good potential behind it to grow to be a massive wildfire," said Denise Alonzo, a Sequoia National Forest spokeswoman.

Elsewhere across the West, a fire that threatened 65 homes in southern Oregon grew to 92,000 acres and National Guard troops were sent to help.

Gov. John Kitzhaber conducted an aerial tour of Oregon's wildfires and called the battle "a war." "What is at risk here is hundreds of billions of dollars in natural resources," said Kitzhaber, who called on Congress to devote more resources to making forests healthy throughout the West.

Near Medford, Ore., a helicopter carrying two people crashed during a reconnaissance flight over a wildfire. Both of those aboard were conscious when rescue crews arrived, said Mike Bartotti, a spokesman for the Oregon Department of Forestry fire team.

He said state-contracted firefighting helicopters in two counties were temporarily grounded. The cause of the crash was under investigation.

In Colorado, higher humidity and a sprinkling of rain helped firefighters battling a 4,100-acre blaze near Rocky Mountain National Park.

posted 07-24-2002 01:28 AM               

Calif. Wildfire Threatens Trees

ASSOCIATED PRESS

PINE FLAT, Calif.- A raging wildfire threatened some of America's giant sequoias Tuesday and the Forest Service called in more than 1,000 firefighters in an all-out effort to save the towering symbols of the West.

The 48,000-acre blaze roared through the deep valleys of the Giant Sequoia National Monument and came within two miles of the Trail of 100 Giants, a grove of majestic sequoias that are among the largest and most ancient trees on Earth, with trunks up to 1,500 years old and 20 feet in diameter.

As of midday, the fire had consumed only some smaller species of trees and the winds were blowing the flames away from the Trail of 100 Giants. But the blaze was headed toward another stand of the big redwoods, the Freeman Creek Grove.

Forest Service spokesman Matt Mathes called the sequoias "priceless" and said that air tankers and helicopters were also called in to help save the trees.

The monument is situated 130 miles north of Los Angeles. Sequoias can live more than 3,200 years, their massive trunks capable of withstanding countless fires. But fires can kill them when other trees spread flames to the sequoias' limbs high above the ground.

The danger to the trees is higher than usual because of a considerable amount of underbrush and weeks of extremely dry weather, Mathes said. "These trees can withstand a lot of fire, but if there's a lot of fuel build-up on the forest floor, and temperature and humidity and winds are not favorable, we could have a problem," he said.

Some forestry plans to prevent fires by removing trees from the monument have been blocked by the courts, said Del Pengilly, a district ranger. "Every other project we've tried to do, the environmentalists have filed a lawsuit," he said.

Carl Zichella, regional staff director of the Sierra Club, disagreed. He said the problem was decades of fire suppression that left standing smaller trees that allow fires to climb into the crowns of bigger trees.

Fire crews were also in place to protect about 200 homes. Forest Service officials said the blaze was likely started by an escaped campfire Sunday, and it blew up as it fed on dry brush in a region that has not had rain since the spring.

Smaller trees exploded like torches as the fire skipped from treetop to treetop, pushed by erratic winds. No arrests have been made. More than 1,000 people fled and at least 10 structures were burned. The fire was only 20 percent contained Tuesday.

And because the monument's deep canyons and mountain ridges make for erratic winds, it was hard to predict where the fire would go. Among those evacuated were several hundred Boy Scouts, campers and residents of two hamlets, Johnsondale and Ponderosa.

"I was scared. I've never seen it so close. It was coming so fast," said Simone Wallace, who left her home in Johnsondale on Sunday and was staying in a motel with her boyfriend and daughter.

The 328,000-acre monument was created in 2000 by President Clinton to protect the giant sequoias as well as Indian archaeological sites. The Trail of 100 Giants includes 125 giant sequoias over 10 feet in diameter, and more than 143 sequoias under 10 feet in diameter.

The largest in the grove has a diameter of 20 feet and is 220 feet tall. The trees are between 500 and 1,500 years old. Jim Paxon, spokesman for a national team of elite firefighters called in to manage the blaze, warned: "If fire does get in the Trail of 100 Giants, we won't be putting firefighters in there to try to stop it. It will be a climax of 300- or 400-foot flames."

The blaze was not considered a threat to the General Sherman tree, which is in Sequoia National Park, well to the north. At 275 feet tall and 30 feet across, it is considered the nation's largest tree as well as the world's largest living thing based on volume.

A second fire that charred 1,800 acres and about 25 structures, including 10 homes, in neighboring Kern County was largely contained Tuesday. Fire officials said it appeared the blaze was started by three juveniles playing with matches.

Elsewhere, residents were allowed to return home as crews made progress against a 4,100-acre fire outside Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado.

posted 07-24-2002 11:29 AM               

July 22, 2002 Posted: 3:32 PM EDT (1932 GMT)

By Matt Smith

(CNN) -- Four years without adequate rainfall have left a broad quilt of browned lawns, withered crops and scorched forests across much of the United States.

But for Jeff Tranel, an agriculture and business economist with the Colorado State University extension service, it's what's not there that indicates how tough things are.

"I'm out in the country quite a bit, and there are very few cows left," Tranel said recently. "In one county, Huerfano County, the 1997 census of agriculture data showed 28,000 beef cows in that county. A month ago, talking to ranchers, they said if you could find 1,000 to 5,000 cows, you would be lucky."

The disappearance of thousands of cows from the heart of cattle country is a symptom of the severe drought that has gripped most of the West and much of the Southeast for four years. With nearly half the continental United States suffering from extremely dry conditions, some observers say it's the worst dry spell the country has seen in a generation -- perhaps two.

"This drought is widespread and pretty intense over some large areas that rival those of the '50s," said Mark Svoboda, a climatologist at the National Drought Mitigation Center in Lincoln, Nebraska. "What we haven't seen maybe is the long-term heat, year after year after year, that we saw in the '30s." The effects have been seen most dramatically in Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, where kiln-dry timberland exploded into a string of wildfires.

More than 3.2 million acres have been burned this year, roughly twice the 10-year average, federal fire officials report. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has declared the entire state of Utah and numerous counties in Colorado, California, New Mexico and Arizona agricultural disaster areas, making farmers and ranchers in those regions eligible for federal emergency loans.

The department also has opened millions of acres across 18 states from its Conservation Reserve Program for grazing and hay harvesting as ranchers have been forced to sell entire herds of cattle at a loss rather than keep them on drought-stricken pastureland.

The last major drought in the United States occurred in the late 1980s and had an estimated economic impact of nearly $40 billion. The economic impact of the current drought differs among regions and sectors, Svoboda said, "but I think it's safe to say when it's all said and done, this one is going to be right up there.

When we start looking at all the impacts, it's going to be in the billions of dollars." After years of drought in the Southwest and the Rockies, the High Plains states are starting to feel the pinch as well.

In South Dakota, rainfall is about half of normal for much of the state, said Michael Held, administrative director for the South Dakota Farm Bureau. "In the central third of the state, most of the crops -- wheat as well as corn and soybeans -- have been severely damaged to completely ruined," he said.

The drought is also causing problems for some of the fastest-growing cities in the increasingly urbanized Sunbelt, from Atlanta to Albuquerque.

In New Mexico and southwestern Texas, only about 2 percent of the water that normally flows into Rio Grande has reached the river this year, said Barry Wirth, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. Along the Colorado River, which feeds some of the West's biggest cities -- including Las Vegas, Phoenix and Los Angeles -- water levels in major reservoirs like Lake Powell and Lake Mead are 50 to 60 feet below normal, Wirth said.

"It appears that we are on track right now to be equal to or worse than 1977, which was the worst drought year on record since Lake Powell was created. So we are in pretty stricken shape right now," he said.

Residents of many of these cities are struggling with restrictions on water use even as more and more people are moving in. In Georgia, all 15 counties in metropolitan Atlanta are under water restrictions that allow outdoor watering only from 10 p.m. to 10 a.m. on alternate days.

Lake Lanier, the major source of water for the area's nearly 4 million people, has been down as low as 12 feet below full pool in recent years: It is currently about 7 feet below normal.

"We're only releasing the minimum flows necessary to preserve water quality in the system and water supply where needed," said Pat Robbins, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers. "In other words, we've got it down to the absolute minimum that we can do, but we've got to maintain water quality and supply where it's needed."

In Denver, city officials patrol enforce limits that allow homeowners to water lawns only every third day. Penalties range from a warning for first offenders to a $250 fine and the ultimate sanction -- having water cut off.

"Our major job is to educate our customers on what they need to do," said Robert Trujillo, a member of the city's "Sod Squad." "Mostly, people understand. I haven't had anyone get really angry with me."

The prospects for the future are uncertain. What forecasters are banking on to relieve the drought is the development of the recurring Pacific weather system known as El Nino.

Scientists announced earlier this month that the phenomenon -- an above-average warming of eastern Pacific waters that typically occurs every four to five years -- should ease drought conditions in the Southeast and give the northern United States a mild winter.

posted 07-24-2002 07:36 PM            

Also noteworthy, the development and research of this device was a precursor to realizing the potential applications of other military systems, namely the ionojects (haarp hipas etc blah blah) and g.w.e.n. .

Canex's point, IMO, may very well be valid. If an individual did not know how to properly use a DOR busting device then that individual could potentially apply it in a manner which would not only reduce the amount of DOR (deadly orgone energy) but would also have an adverse effect on the necessary presence of normal orgone energy.

HAARP/USAF Digisonde

posted 07-24-2002 09:59 PM               

Well we've only had about 0.84 of an inch of precipitation since the beginning of the month and quite a few times when rain was forcasted, it didn't happen. If we do get rain, the storm usually lasts anywhere between 5 and 20 minutes and the precipitation seems to evaporate pretty quickly once the storm has ended.

The soil is abnormally dry by next morning just like it hadn't rained at all and the grass is turning brown and sapling trees are wilting.

posted 07-26-2002 02:10 PM               

Just think of the CONTROL government is getting by CREATING THIS DAMAGE!!! CONTROL of FOOD by DESTROYING IT. CONTROL of Land by DESTROYING IT. CONTROL of PEOPLE!

Don't you just LOVE the New World Odor?? NOT!

Drought, abnormally dry weather hits 49 states http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/07/19/us.drought/index.html
The Weekly Drought Monitor, issued by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, predicted that a broad swath of the eastern United States -- from the Ohio Valley to Northern New England -- will see drought conditions develop in the next few months.
(And they should know, THEY are the ones CAUSING it with CHEMTRAILS weather modification.)

Oregon Wildfire Threatens 60 Homes http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/21/072106783.html

Oregon burns in nation's 2nd biggest fire
Residents of more than 60 homes urged to evacuate --Associated Press http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/21/wildfires.ap/index.html
(And Joey Farah wouldn't tell you the TRUTH about CHEMTRAILS! He STILL won't!)

Yosemite - the burning question http://www.modbee.com/local/story/3677291p-4703114c.html

Orchards play critical role, but fire 'safety zones' being plowed under http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134498005_chelanfire22m0.html
MANSON, Wa. Chelan County — The apple orchards of the Chelan Valley have played a vital role in the Deer Point fire that has threatened homes: They've acted as natural fire extinguishers. Blackened hillsides abruptly turn to green at the edge of orchards. Firefighters look to the rows of fruit trees for escape routes from fires and credit them for helping stem the spread of a fire that roared out of control and jeopardized as many as 275 homes Friday, before subsiding Saturday afternoon.

Weather Keeps West Fires in Check http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/22/55526.shtml
Firefighters in southeastern Oregon were racing to beef up their lines Sunday as the weather in the Pacific Northwest slowly began to take a turn for the worse.

Drought Makes Farmers Sell Cattle http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/21/072106862.html

Clarifying Chemtrail Confusion http://www.rense.com/general2/clar.htm
Over the past two years - and possibly longer - one of the biggest covert operations ever undertaken by a military in peacetime has caused illness and consternation across America as positively identified U.S. Air Force aerial tankers continue to spread broad white plumes in patterns that defy civil air regulations, public health and air pollution laws - and the physics of normal contrail formation.

DROUGHT CHOKES MUCH OF U.S. http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/07/22/us.drought/index.html
Crops are drying up. Forests are burning. Some say it's the worst dry spell the country has seen in a generation.

Far-Reaching Drought Chokes Much Of America http://www.rense.com/general27/muchs.htm

City stops short of water restrictions http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/3715961.htm

The Water Situation in Utah http://water.ksl.com/index.php
KSL brings you complete coverage of Utah's drought situation. It may not seem like we are in trouble now, but snowpack levels are far below normal and we need to conserve now!

Reservoir Levels Dropping http://water.ksl.com/index.php?sid=931&nid=3
Water levels are dropping in Northern Utah reservoirs, in some cases rather dramatically. In fact, the drought soon may make boating impossible in some places

Drenching nice, but drought's long way from over http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/7_23_02monsoon.html

Tucson rain and the water deficit it deals with.

Kitzhaber tours largest wildfires http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page
Gov. John Kitzhaber toured Oregon's largest fires in the air and on the ground Monday, a week after he declared a state fire emergency caused by a blitz of lightning strikes. After flying over the Squire Peak fire south of Medford in an Oregon National Guard helicopter, Kitzhaber was flown in a state plane over the Tool Box complex and the Winter fire and then on to Paisley for a briefing from state and federal fire bosses.

Tulare County wildfire threatens giant sequoia trees http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/3718698.htm

Rain likely too little, too late for farmers http://www.macon.com/mld/telegraph/3715283.htm
Drought drives Australian farmers to financial ruin
Many farmers in Australia are facing financial ruin as they try to cope with the worst drought in almost a decade.
(We've pointed out that CHEMTRAILS have been reported widely in Australia also. And also beginning heavy in late 1998.)

Most of N.C. declared drought disaster area http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/3722788.htm

SC: State considers water use limits http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/3723465.htm

True American Heroes http://www.sierratimes.com/02/07/24/sheriff.htm
I watch the news every day about the fires in the west. I get worried when they grow large and start to approach homes in rural America. This fire season has been one of the worst I can remember. Here in Oregon we have 15 major fires going right now and fire is very close to some friends of mine. The Winter Fire north of Paisley Oregon is right at my friends ranch. Now it hits home and fear is even more real.

S.C. declares drought 'extreme' in 39 counties http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/3730769.htm

Camper arrested in Sequoia fire
More than 50,000 acres charred in national forest since Sunday --San Jose Mercury News http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/3728048.htm

Sequoia fire suspect to be arraigned in Fresno http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/3733215.htm

500 more firefighters join battle to snuff California blaze http://www.nando.net/nation/story/477854p-3817417c.html
The wildfire raging near some of the nation's ancient sequoias grew to 57,000 acres Thursday a day after authorities arrested a camper suspected of accidentally starting the blaze. The fire was just 5 percent contained and hot weather was forecast Thursday. Another 500 firefighters were deployed alongside 1,000 already battling flames in and near the Giant Sequoia National Monument.

Sawgrass Rebellion Launched: The Klamath, Oregon to Florida Convoy http://www.sierratimes.com/02/07/25/argg072502.htm
The Klamath to Florida convoy is coming together.
Last year, after a group of Klamath farmers asked us to help, we put a convoy together with less than a month to organize it and get to Klamath. Organizationally, we are further along now than we were two weeks before we left last year, and those convoys and their aftermath raised over $300,000.00 for the people hurt by the water shutoff.

posted 07-26-2002 10:23 PM            

'A radiosonde is a small instrument package and radio transmitter that are attached to a large balloon. As the balloon rises through the atmosphere, the radiosonde instruments measure

Air temperature
Humidity
Pressure
The measurements are relayed back to a computer at the surface. Tracking equipment monitors the radiosonde's position, allowing the computer to calculate wind speed and direction. The data provide an important vertical profile of the hurricane's environment, which is critical for forecast models.
Radiosondes are generally only released over land, which leaves a large data gap over the oceans. In addition, this observation method is fairly expensive, so radiosonde measurements are only launched twice a day from over 75 sites throughout the entire United States.

Dropsondes are a variation on the radiosonde. Instead of being carried aloft by a balloon, the dropsondes, which are attached to a small parachute, are dropped into the hurricane from the reconnaissance aircraft. These instruments are helping forecasters to make great strides in understanding and predicting hurricane behavior."

posted 07-26-2002 11:41 PM            

It's funny how you refer to cloud busting previously but now you are attempting to convey that these 'radiosonde' aren't capable of this.

posted 07-27-2002 05:17 PM               

Ore. Fire Grows, Forces Evacuations

ASSOCIATED PRESS

THE DALLES, Ore.- A 9,000-acre fire threatening homes overlooking the Columbia River gorge grew Saturday as gusty wind pushed it to within two miles of The Dalles, and more residents were urged to leave.

About 125 Oregon National Guard troops were on their way Saturday to join the 800 firefighters already at work protecting the city of about 12,000 residents on the Columbia River bluffs. Gray smoke billowed from the gorge, with Mount Hood and Mount Adam just visible in the distance.

The blaze had grown by 3,000 acres during the night and was only 30 percent contained, fire officials said.

Residents of 20 more homes were urged to evacuate Saturday, bringing the total to close to 250, said Stan Hinatsu, spokesman at the fire command center. Two outbuildings burned during the night, but no homes were destroyed, he said. A few outbuildings also burned on Friday.

Fire crews struggled against the wind Saturday to contain the fire's northeast flank in steep, hard-to-reach terrain. An additional 400 homes could be threatened if the wind shifted, fire officials said.

Firefighters parked their red and yellow engines in driveways and prepared to fight house to house if the fire picked up.

"Winds in the gorge are the single most significant element. It's been a very dangerous fire," Hinatsu said. "Our focus is firefighter safety and defending structures."

Flames had gotten to within a few feet of some hillside houses on Friday.

City workers in The Dalles abandoned the water treatment plant, taking with them chlorine and other potentially dangerous materials.

"This is a very, very serious situation for the state in terms of risk for property and life," Gov. John Kitzhaber said Friday.

A total of 14 major active fires, all started by lightning, had burned 258,000 acres in Oregon by Saturday, according to the Northwest Interagency Coordination Center. More than 10,000 firefighters battled the blazes.

Elsewhere, firefighters in California said the 63,000-acre fire threatening the nation's giant sequoia had gotten more manageable. The blaze was 30 percent contained Saturday morning.

Ironically, crews were unable to set backfires during the night to complete most of a fireline separating the blaze from 11 groves of the towering trees because it was too wet, said Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the firefighters. However, crews still faced windy weather during the day, he said.

A Bakersfield woman is accused of igniting the fire about 130 miles north of Los Angeles while cooking hot dogs over an illegal campfire. Peri Van Brunt, 45, was arraigned in U.S. District Court on Friday but entered no plea. She remains in custody.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/jul/27/072708456.html

posted 07-27-2002 11:21 PM            

Also, Perhaps you would care to directly address ANY of my points??? ROFL!!

quote:

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You would not have a weather forecast or weather channel or any of those nice skew-T diagrams without the old radiosonde

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Nor did I imply such, as a matter of fact I noted how this device was also a precursor to the realization of other EM systems. Would you care to comment on that?

Nobody said the bogeyman are hiding in them. It's simply a matter of electromagnetic technology that you are apparently oblivious to. Besides that they aren't necessarily sinister independently, but again as previously stated they work in collusion with other systems.

posted 07-28-2002 01:19 AM            

However, I believe that if you were to ask James Clark Maxwell, Albert Einstein, Wilhelm Reich, Nikola Tesla and numerous others if there is such a thing as non-hertzian energies, I believe they would all say 'yes'. This isn't the only field in which the common suppression of vital data in physics relative to the non-hertzian energies contradicts current schools of thought. There are many other fields such as Psychology, Astronomy, even Geology where there is quite a 'perceived' ellipsis in the form of what? you guessed it- non-hertzian energy.

I guess that along with attempting to discredit the work of people such as Wilhelm Reich and Nikola Tesla, debunkers will also attempt to discredit the mathematical possibilities of tensors and the applications of Tesla Coils.

Instead of considering the possibilities, a lot of people become too involved with superficial issues, such as classifying someone as an intellectual inferior by insinuating they have less than half a brain. It's got fallacy written all over it. Again why do these self proclaimed scientific gurus resort to such dismissive tactics? Perhaps it is arrogance, no?

posted 07-28-2002 01:32 AM            

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The Hertzian Conspiracy:

In late 1864, James Clerk Maxwell published his epic material on electromagnetic waves. His material dealt not only with electrical and magnetic waves, but also the relativistic/ etherial psycho-active component of these waves (representing electromagnetics of the second order and above). The equations also included transformations that enabled the change from inertial frames of reference to non-inertial frames of reference. Maxwell's original equations were written in Quaternion notation, a complex mathematical system available at that time before Vector Analysis was introduced by Oliver Heaviside. Today's generalized equivalent of Quaternions is Tensors.

In short, Maxwell's original work gave the necessary information for gravitational propulsion and psychoactive devices. Someone somewhere recognized this, for shortly after his death, the mathematician Oliver Heaviside, the chemist Willard Gibbs, and physicist Heinrich Hertz decided to "edit" or "interpret" Maxwells famous equations which were, in the original form, the foundations of electromagnetics and Unified Field Theory (UFT, Einstein). This "unholy trio, especially Heaviside, disregarded the Quaternions or Scalar components of Maxwells original equations, because they represented potentials and not fields. He thought potentials were akin to "mysticism", because "everybody knows that fields contain mass, and mass cannot be created from apparently nothing, which is what potentials are, both literally and mathematically; they are an accumulation or reservoir of energy.

Furthermore, not only did they throw away the gravitational component with the Quatern- ion/Scalar, but also postulated that gravitation and electro- magnetism were mutually exclusive, not interdependent. That was the death blow to subsequent efforts by scientists to realize a functioning unified field theory. Because of this one act, electromagnetism was reduced from its original five dimensions to only four: X, Y, Z, and time. The element of G was removed.

Because of this deliberate act, twenty-two other errors exist today in electromagnetic theory. The very concepts of force, mass and charge are ill-defined, and the so-called "static" electrical charge has been discovered by Quantum mechanics not to be static at all, but to move rotationally by virtue of the quantum mechanical spin. Finally, adding insult to injury, the so-called "imaginary components" of Maxwells original equations as well as the mutilated version of the equations have also been discarded or ignored. With this last error, the door to hyperspacial domains was forever closed, for the present mathematics and physics of electromagnetic theory do not allow for hyperspacial domains (domains out- side of three dimensions), superluminal signals (signals that exceed the speed of light or are infinite in speed), and a unified field theory.

The edited version of Maxwells work, which every physicist and engineer has had to contend with, discards electrogravitation, and avoids the unification of gravitation and electromagnetics. It also prevents the direct engineering of gravitation, space-time, time flow rates, free energy devices, and quantum changes, which is viewed by the altered equations that are vector-based as only a statistical change. The quaternion approach captures the ability to utilize electromagnetics and produce local curvature of spacetime. Heaviside wrote a subset of Maxwell's equations where this capability is excluded.

Dr. Henry Monteith has independently discovered that Maxwell's original quaternion theory was a unified field theory. Einstein assumed, because he only had access to the altered equations, that curving spacetime could only be achieved by the weak gravitational force due to mass, that the local frame would always be a Lorentz frame, which would mean that all operations would be constrained to "conservation laws of physics." In the 1960's the Hertz (Hz) replaced Cycles Per Second. Since, then everyone thinks that all electromagnetic waves are hertzian. Only the upper portion of the spectrum before Infra- red contains Hertzian waves. ELF and ULF are not; waves in biosystems and natural phenomena are not Hertzian in nature.

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posted 07-28-2002 04:26 AM            

Perhaps Canex can explain this picture?

photo by respective owner ? (not mine)

Oh my, it would appear as if there is a transponder nestled within those trees directly below the center of the intuitive anomaly!! How is it doing that?

posted 07-28-2002 07:23 AM            

An what is that effect precisely? And to which oscillators do you refer? There are many types of continuous wave oscillators operating at different scales in different media.

"Perhaps Canex can explain this picture?"
picture?

"photo by respective owner ? (not mine)"
owner?

"Oh my, it would appear as if there is a transponder nestled within those trees directly below the center of the intuitive
anomaly!! How is it doing that?"

One only needs intuition to understand that the pseudoscientific obfuscation of this sonde argument is pure bunk.

"OU Sooners !! â„¢"
Left field.

posted 07-28-2002 08:47 AM            

There are certainly other forms of energy besides elctromagnetism. And, I believe, there are probably forms of energy we do not yet understand or are able to use. However, the existence of orgone energy or its manipulation by anyone has never been shown. The web pieces cited in this thread about Wilhelm Reich and DOR, etc. are all unsubstantiated. If there were such a thing as orgone energy and it could be manipulated, many people would be making a buck off it. Think how much money could be made if one could use all of the so-called energy manipulations for making things invisible, for mind control, for time travel, blah, blah.

My statement about the cloud busters and drought is simply a logical deduction for those who believe in cloud busters and orgone energy. The so-called devices are named "cloudbusters," not chemtrail busters.

Arrogance? No. Simply confidence in my education and experience.

A few quotes for those of you who want some real science:

from http://psychicspy.com/montauk2.html

"SS: Is that an actual orgone detector instrument?

PN: Well the thing is, the orgone and DOR output of these things is in the subtle energy realm. I don't know of any receiver that can detect the actual energetic function that is coming out of here, the actual modulation. You listen to this, you only hear a group of impulses. The DOR and orgone is inside those impulses and how to detect what's inside the impulses. I admit I don't know how to do it. I haven't had a chance to analyze it but I got a Radiosonde Receptor which is a receiver built to receive these things. It's a very strange circuit. The answer may be there, how to detect what this is sending, but I don't understand it at this point.

SS: But it's detecting what's there.

PN: You're talking about the actual detector itself.

SS: Yes. It [orgone] exists. The government hasn't said that it exists.

PN: No, they haven't. In Radiosonde circles this flat plate with the black stuff on it, they call a humidity detector. This is what detects the orgone. This little white rod here, this is a temperature sensing resistor, it detects the DOR. But also, this will detect humidity changes. The problem with this is as you dampen the thing, dry it, dampen ii, it goes out of calibration. After about 10 minutes of flight these things are useless. These things will hold their calibration for maybe weeks at a time.

But still it was lucky that they sent this up so someone picked up one of these things came down on the ground. They would see the white
thermistor between these two thing-a-ma-bobs here and this plate down here. Now the plates sits between these two clips and these
aluminum covers go over it. If you follow Reichian technology, aluminum lends to have a focuser for orgone. So they have the orgone sensor here with the aluminum plate over it, the aluminum plate will help pull the orgone to the orgone sensor. Copper focuses DOR. This is why Reich made the original orgone boxes out of steel or aluminum foil, but not copper.
Now this device here is a transmitter. After Duncan did his readings on these things, I realized what I had was a radionics transmitter. Whatever I put in would be sent out. Any of you people sensitive? All you do is take this and hold it. You'll feel your energies build up in it. It might get warm or it might get cool to you. That's essentially a resonator of hyperspacial energies, the psychic energy. And that design can
be traced right to Wilhelm Reich through Brookhaven National Laboratories.

See, after Reich developed this package, he called up the government and told them that he had a device that could knock the violence out of thunderstorms and asked if they were interested. The government said, "Yes. We're interested!" They requested Mr. Reich to mail a prototype to Brookhaven on Long Island.

So they waited for a thunderstorm to approach and they sent it up into the clouds. As it approached, the thunderhead broke up and went
around Brookhaven. Al Brookhaven there was a nice gentle sunlit shower while the area around was having a thunderstorm. So of course
they were very interested. They worked with Mr. Reich to replicate the thing."

posted 07-28-2002 03:01 PM            

You can refute such claims with your closed mind all you want. The only obfuscation I see occuring is being initiated by you in the form of personal insults and derogatory rhetoric. Let's not try to employ a tactic and then accuse someone else of being responsible for it. It's transparent.

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My statement about the cloud busters and drought is simply a logical deduction for those who believe in cloud busters and orgone energy. The so-called devices are named "cloudbusters," not chemtrail busters

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As I suspected, even before taking it as bait. I don't know what your point is with adding the clarification regarding chemtrails.. I never implied these devices were 'chemtrail' busters.

Again you avoid commenting on the relative EM systems that have not only been direct proof of the non-hertzian conspiracy, but as previously mentioned (numerous times) radiosondes were also devices that played a role in the realization and development of such systems.

But instead you post this off the wall article which is obviously not a scrupulous representation of Wilhelm Reich or his work. There are numerous articles on the web relating to these issues. It's apparent that you picked one of the more 'extreme' and 'controversial' articles (yet another common debunker tactic and definite fallacy; disassociation). Be that as it may, it is really not relevant as I did not directly refer to or quote anything from the specific article which you posted.
( http://psychicspy.com/montauk2.html )

I previously stated:
Instead of considering the possibilities, a lot of people become too involved with superficial issues, such as classifying someone as an intellectual inferior by insinuating they have less than half a brain. It's got fallacy written all over it. Again why do these self proclaimed scientific gurus resort to such dismissive tactics? Perhaps it is arrogance, no?

Canex Replied..

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Arrogance? No. Simply confidence in my education and experience

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Ahh just as I suspected. Pure Arrogance:
The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption

I am suprised the word 'canex' isn't a listed synonym!!! Also it's apparent that canex's education and experience is actually what led him/her to make derogatory insinuations regarding my intellect. I should have known!!

(thats gotta hurt. Run Canex, Run!)

The only person telling half the story here is you Canex. That is what is intuitive. I have attempted to tell the FULL story, But one needs to be willing to 'hear' and 'consider' it. A capacity which you evidentally don't have. The truth of these matters remains the same wether or not you choose to accept it. I feel no need in dragging this out as it is clear you are latching on to every desperate tactic you can find in attempt to, as you put it, obfuscate.

posted 07-28-2002 11:11 PM            

Regarding your point about the relationship between radiosondes and non-Hertzian energies. There is none and radiosondes are not used to bust storms. Storms can bust radiosondes, however. Was there some other point?

What did Wilhelm Reich do to get him listed in the same sentence as Maxwell, Einstein, and Tesla? Those scientists are probably rolling in their graves with that association.

BTW, I finally got a look at the picture AT posted. Anyone really want an explanation? If not, then stop here. You have been warned.

That is a photograph of a thin altostratus cloud that glaciated (i.e., the supercooled water droplets in the center of the fallout region of the cloud changed to ice) at one location in the cloud. The resulting ice crystals rapidly grew and fell out of the cloud as they do in many types of cirrus clouds and contrails. Removal of the particles by precipitation destabilized the thin cloud around the area of glaciation forcing the cloud air in a circle immediately around the precipitation up into the inversion layer above the cloud evaporating the circular area. It is likely that the cloud hole was complete after the precipitation evaporated below the cloud level.

Supercooled cloud droplets exist at temperatures between 0 and -40C. They change to ice if an ice nucleating aerosol is introduced or the relative humidity is dramatically increased. Most natural ice nuclei are activated at temperatures below -13 C or so at high supersaturations. Thus, a lowering of the temperature or an increase in the relative humidity can cause a supercooled droplet to freeze if the natural ice nuclei are present. Once an ice crystal forms within a supercooled water droplet cloud, it immediately begins growing at the expense of the water droplets. With growth comes mass and the inability of the weak updrafts in the altostratus to maintain the suspension of the cloud particles. So they fall out, removing water from the cloud. They also cool the air below causing it to sink. The resulting downdraft is compensated by a local updraft in the cylinder of air around the downdraft that pushes the air into the dry layer above the cloud.

Why does the glaciation process start? Often the glaciation occurs as a result of an aircraft flying through the cloud. The aircraft exhaust provides excess moisture and/or the nucleating aerosols needed to allow the phase change from liquid to solid. The destroyed part of the cloud is a distrail. A circle or oval hole in the cloud results when the plane is passing through the cloud layer on its way up or down. A line results when the plane flies in or even just below the cloud layer in a relatively level path. Other causes of glaciation are mixing of the cloud air with very efficient ice nuclei sources (copper smelter stack exhaust, for instance) or with very moist air that activates any ambient ice nuclei, or from ice crystals (or snowflakes) falling into the cloud from clouds above. The hole sometimes can fill back in when the cloud layer is rising at a relatively fast rate (for a stratus) or the original cloud is relatively thick. Sometimes, the original cl