posted 03-20-2002 02:27 PM               

I have been waiting for a sign that I might be on the right track concerning current research as to whether or not solar activity has any effect on weather conditions on earth. My theory is that there was a significant amount of solar activity, that it would effect magnetic anomalies on the earth and thus cause anomalous weather conditions. Thanks to BOB B, I was able to monitor solar activity and make comparisons between that activity and the weather conditions. Since I began monitoring the solar conditions, there has never been an M CLASS FLARE and a Geomagnetic Storm happening at the same time until 3/19/02.

The earth has a lot of magnetic anomalies as seen in the NASA map below and I have theorized that these anomalies, like the power grids can be affected by anomalous solar activity and perhaps even HAARP. If these chem-jets are spraying such things as aluminum oxide, then there might be a chance that they are trying to expand these anomalies.

As you can see by the map, Kentucky and areas of New England have significant anomalies. If you look at the GOES-8 image below, you can see where the storm is located. It's still a coincidence, but there might be a connection between the weather, the magnetic anomalies and the sun.

It's still just a theory and one I will expand on at a later date in the other trails forum, but I believe that there is a pattern beginning to form here and a possible interpretation of what the Hopi and other tribes have prophesied. All the pieces are beginning to fit together rather nicely and I ain't happy about it.

posted 03-20-2002 04:57 PM               

Dan,I saw a very similar cloud formation on the night that you took those pictures of the bizarre sunset. I saved one of the images and will send it to you for comparison. It's just too bad that we can't get our hands on a magnetomiter to see if the magnetic anomalies in this area have expanded any. I think we're going to have to definitely put together something in Other Trails section.

posted 03-21-2002 07:02 AM            

The reality is, in spite of the far below normal snow in Central and Southern Indiana this winter, as of yesterday, we are only .78 in below normal. An early Spring with warmer than normal temps would be cause for drier conditions due to evaporation.

Larry cannot speak for the entire state of Indiana. He does not live in Indianapolis but in Southwest Indiana and in a warmer growing zone. Climatic data for Indiana is divided into 3 sections -North/Central/Southern
http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/in/climate.html

Just remembered that Friday evening, 3/15/02, my husband was driving home from Linton and got caught in a major downpour with thunder and lightening. It was trickey as he rolled through the hills and curves approaching Spencer, IN.

>>"People see the wet ground and think it's normal, NOT SO!"<<

This statement is true, but not in the vein it was intended.

Getting Wet

With all this talk of drought, we thought it wise to take a look at the big precipitation picture—which reminds us that precipitation is steady, if not increasing, in most places around our planet.
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/v7n14/feature.htm

posted 03-21-2002 12:39 PM            

And you, Ms. Supremely Arrogant, cannot "speak" for the entire planet, let alone any region in THIS country other than your own.

It might interest you to know that others besides yourself are communicating regularly with "real scientists" - in their OWN regions. We just don't feel the need to primp and flounce about it on the boards.

There is more to a prolonged drought than the obvious lack of precipitation. There are side-effects that start to kick in even as the tide *may* or *may not* be turning on the water situation.

But, of course, you must know all there is to know about this, too, "informed" as you so obviously are.

And, no - I'm not going to provide any "references" here. You can look them up yourself.

posted 03-22-2002 04:50 AM            

My interest is apples; your's oranges.

posted 03-22-2002 08:59 AM               

This IS about CONTROLING THE WATER in addition to being able to easily spread BIOLOGICALS.

Again, TrickyDeg IS an agent of DIS-INFORMATION. Anyone wanting a grouping of information on her, email me at hitech@smithville.net ANYTHING she says must be taken with a HUGE grain of salt. Don't accept the time of day from her without looking at your watch. All anybody has to do in this area is to talk to those drilling wells here and ASK THEM how the water table is fairing. I DID and encourage people NOT to just take my word but VERIFY things for yourselves. My well here is VERY MUCH DOWN!! I've reported on these observations in the newsletter DAILY at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews

posted 03-22-2002 04:48 PM            

....So I'm sure you would agree that the fallacies should be eliminated initially in order for anything futher to be taken seriously?....

Yes, I do agree - as you know perfectly well. And I think my activity in this and other venues consistently reflects this, so don't even TRY to jerk me around with your "integrity" crap.

You are playing a very malicious game and I do not care for it. I'd like to know who in hell you think you are.

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3/22/02
The Boston Globe

For many, it's going to be a dry summer

As the parched earth of the western suburbs gulps up the melting midweek snow, local water departments are preparing for a summer that could see the most serious water-use restrictions in years.

This winter's dearth of snow, usually a primary replenishment for local aquifers and reservoirs, has communities alarmed at their water levels. The resulting drought, which has affected much of New England for the past six months, is all but certain to force mandatory water restrictions in many communities this year unless residents truly take conservation to heart, local water officials say.

Water use always rises significantly in the warm months, when homeowners rely heavily on sprinklers and irrigation systems to keep their lawns green. But this year, water departments, in conjunction with a state Drought Management Task Force, are urging people to follow conservation advisories.

Residents "push me to the limits under normal conditions. If we get a drought condition, it's going to be horrendous," said Richard Carroll, superintendent of the Sudbury Water District. "The reality is that as soon as the weather gets warm, people are going to try very, very hard to save their lawns, and they're going to kill us."

In the winter, Sudbury residents draw an average of 1.7 million gallons daily from the town's nine wells.

In the summer, Carroll said, daily usage can surge to 4.5 million gallons. Depending on the precipitation over the next couple months, he said, Sudbury could reach its most serious advisory level, which would mean no lawn-watering at all.

Like several communities in the region, Wayland has regularly implemented voluntary water restrictions in the summers. But it's possible more restrictive measures will be necessary this summer, said Don Hollender, superintendent of the Water Department.

"Wayland wants to say we have more water than a lot of towns, but I'm not sure that that's the greatest attitude," Hollender said. "We're still building houses. We've still got people coming on line."

The impact of the drought differs from town to town, however, with some communities likely to be less affected. Lincoln has Flint's Pond, a large fresh water reservoir, so water officials there say the situation is less serious. Natick, with its wells near Lake Cochituate, is also not in danger, officials say.

With ground water levels and stream flows nearing record lows statewide, the state's drought task force recently extended its drought watch to all of Massachusetts.

It would take an extraordinarily wet spring to compensate for the arid conditions over the past six months, water experts say.

"Even a normal spring, which is pretty wet, isn't going to be enough to make up the deficit that we have," said Mark P. Smith, director of water policy for the state Executive Office of Environmental Affairs and cochairman of the drought task force. "The next couple of months will be critical in determining how bad it will be."

How bad it will be also depends on whether the public gets the message this season not to continue its water-wasting habits, experts say.

To help, Russell's Garden Center in Wayland, a regular promoter of water conservation, will host a forum on the topic April 20.

"This is a time when people are truly going to have to work together, and not just watch out for their own interest," said Nancy Bryant, executive director of the SuAsCo Watershed Community Council, a Maynard-based environmental advocacy group. "It will be a challenge."

Short of a major crisis, though, Carroll is skeptical that people will alter their habits.

"As long as they can look good at their cocktail parties ... they'll forget everything that we're preaching,"
he said.

Smith said it's unclear yet whether this drought will be more akin to what happened in 1999, when some seasons were dry and others weren't, or akin to the drought of the 1960s, which lasted several years.

After years of communities sending waste water downstream through treatment plants and runoff, many water policies now work to keep water in the towns where it originated. This drought, water experts say, only reinforces that approach.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/081/metro/For_many_it_s_going_to_be_a_dry_summer+.shtml

3/22/02
The Associated Press

U.N. Urges 'More Crop Per Drop' as Water Dwindles

ROME (Reuters) - The world's increasingly grave water shortage means farmers are going to have to produce "more crop per drop" to feed its growing population, United Nations officials said on Friday.

"Water scarcity and quality will be one of the major problems of the 21st century," Godwin Obasi, secretary-general of the U.N. World Meteorological Organization (WMO), told a ceremony in Rome to mark World Water Day.

"It is also the biggest threat to food security," he added.

"The global demand for water is estimated to have risen nearly sevenfold from 1900 to 1995, more than double the rate of population growth," Obasi said.

According to the United Nations, some 1.1 billion people do not have access to safe drinking water.

Louise Fresco, assistant director-general of the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, said irrigated food output would have to jump over 80 percent to meet developing nations' demand by 2030. But water availability was set to rise just 12 percent.

"How can you obtain 80 percent more production from just a 12 percent increase in available water?" she asked the gathering of diplomats and government officials.

The great global challenge for the coming years will be how to produce more food with less water, Fresco said.

"Agriculture needs to become more productive and needs to produce more crop per drop," she said.

RIVERS THAT DO NOT REACH THE SEA

Increased demand for water for use in irrigation and industry has resulted in some rivers no longer reaching the sea and declining water tables in many parts of the world.

Desertification is devastating farm production and the variety of plant and animal life in many areas, U.N. bodies say.

By 2025, just over one billion people will be desperately short of water, Obasi said.

The international community is behind target in its drive to halve the number of severely malnourished people in the world to around 400 million by 2015, the U.N. says.

FAO will hold a world food summit at its Rome headquarters from June 10-13 to try to get countries back on track.

Agriculture is the largest consumer of water, accounting for 72 percent of the total usage for the world, the WMO says.

Pressure on water supplies is ever more intense as the population swells in the developing world, officials said.

The global population is forecast to grow from some six billion now to more than eight billion by 2020, food and agriculture officials say.

Khalid Mohtadullah, executive secretary of the Global Water Partnership, which advises governments on water issues, said management of water resources in many parts of the world was wasteful and needed to be improved.

Italian Farm Minister Giovanni Alemanno called on Italians to adopt a "culture of water" to avoid waste.

"Insufficient awareness by people and inadequate attention by public institutions to the problem of conservation and management of water have led to a critical situation," he said.

Fresco said that water in the reservoirs in southern regions of Italy had fallen to below 60 percent of normal.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&u=/nm/20020322/sc_nm/food_un_water_dc_1

3/22/02
Fosters Online

Plan to pump water from pond to lake faces opposition from residents on both sides

SALEM, N.H. (AP) Residents are fighting a plan to refill drought-depleted Canobie Lake with water from a nearby pond.

Town officials are seeking permission from the state to use an underground pipe to transfer water from Arlington Pond to Canobie Lake. The water level of the lake is about 3 feet lower than normal, while the pond level is about 1 foot lower than normal.

The plan has sparked criticism from homeowners near both bodies of water.

Maureen Seppa, who lives along Canobie Lake, is concerned that higher phosphorous levels in the pond could dim the clear lake water and fill it with weeds.

"I'm so afraid it will tip the ecological balance," said Seppa. "There's really not a weed problem around this lake. And once they do it, they can't undo it."

Meanwhile, Yvette Velardo, who lives near Arlington Pond, says transferring water from one supply to another will worse the town's problems, which she blames on commercial and residential development.

"I've seen a lot of changes made and they're not all good," said Velardo, who wants to start a petition to block the water transfer. "My concern is the water supply. Who is supplying all these big businesses? I think our water supply is going to be depleted."

The possibility of the water transfer could touch off a legal battle, said Richard Hannon, president of the Canobie Lake Association.

"We have to get an idea what (the state) is going to do, and whether they're going to have a public hearing," said Hannon. "If it's going to be a situation where they just sit down and say yes, then we may have our attorney decide whether to fight it or not. But that's still not going to get water for Salem."

Hannon thinks town officials should have explored other options.

"The way it's going Canobie Lake will be dry in six months," Hannon said. "There's parts of it where you can go for 1,000 feet and be only waist-deep."

But Howard Glynn, of the Arlington Pond Association said he thinks using the pipe makes sense.

"That was the original intent of the pipe," he said.

"I'm not a scientist, but I would hope that the state would weigh the best intent for everybody," Glynn said.

George Jones, a Conservation Commission member and a former selectman, said many people have been misinformed about phosphorus counts.

posted 03-23-2002 03:08 AM            

here's a possible clue...*dollar a bottle*....

environmental grins

posted 03-23-2002 04:26 AM            

Oranges = Environmental concerns.

You can't sell oranges and market them as apples. (Well, you can but only some will be fooled.) If you want people to buy oranges, then stop marketing the attributes of apples in relation to oranges. If you advertise apples but have no apples to sell, and try to replace the product with oranges, that's called bait and switch.

Whom do I think I am? I never claimed to be any thing more than just a housewife from Indiana. I direct my energies on this front to debunking "chemtrails." It doesn't mean that the oranges don't matter to me because they do, but maybe not to the degree that it does to other individuals. But I would rather have some credibility than to waste taxpayer dollars with petitions and inquiries to Congressional Representatives, etc. because "Clifford says we don't need any proof." That kind of thinking and those actions are counter-productive. And those words continue to burn in my mind.

posted 03-23-2002 01:16 PM               

Here's another story to factor into this equation. Most interesting considering it is THEY that are behind the PROBLEM. Talk about the ultimate in "CRISIS REACTION SOLUTION" as Alex Jones would say at: http://www.infowars.com

UN warns of severe water shortages by 2025
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_550615.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

Almost three billion people will face severe shortages of fresh water by 2025 if the world keeps consuming water at current rates, the United Nations has warned
(If Alex Jones is 'weak' on any issues, it's this and Israeli influence on U.S. policies. Talk about the ultimate in "Crisis, Reaction, Solution!! He read this story, but won't connect the dots with CHEMTRAIL Weather Modification.)
UN warns of looming water crisis

posted 03-23-2002 01:36 PM            

.....Apples = contrails are contrails; there is no on-going, daily and deliberate "spray" program for water deprivation, culling, innoculation, weather modification, whatever, over CONUSA.

Oranges = Environmental concerns.....

So? I am responsible for my OWN thinking on this matter, as is everyone else involved.

.....You can't sell oranges and market them as apples. (Well, you can but only some will be fooled.) If you want people to buy oranges, then stop marketing the attributes of apples in relation to oranges.....

Show me where I'm doing this. Please reference specific posts, with dates and titles.

Show me where I'm trying to get people to "buy" anything. Show me where I'm, in fact, posting anything but factual information, including reference documents from the academic research literature, and relevant news articles, all available and freely accessible in the public domain - or personal commentary based on direct observation in my own region.

.....If you advertise apples but have no apples to sell, and try to replace the product with oranges, that's called bait and switch.....

Huh? Show me my "advertisements" for "apples." Show me *exactly* how I *replace* these advertised "apples" with "oranges."

Please be specific. Your oblique sideswipes -- which make liberal use of labels such as "Greens", "Watermelons", "Commies", "NWO Supporters", and so on, in broad-based condemnation of those whose daily observations in their own regions are giving them good reason to feel there IS, in fact, a connection between the now almost-continuous MESS being made of our skies and what is occurring at the surface -- your sweeping, judgmental pronouncements in this regard are no longer sufficient, if they ever were, to prove your point, whatever it is.

.....Whom do I think I am? I never claimed to be any thing more than just a housewife from Indiana. I direct my energies on this front to debunking "chemtrails." It doesn't mean that the oranges don't matter to me because they do, but maybe not to the degree that it does to other individuals. But I would rather have some credibility than to waste taxpayer dollars with petitions and inquiries to Congressional Representatives, etc. because "Clifford says we don't need any proof.".....

So genuine concern regarding the increasingly OBVIOUS environmental and human health effects of this ongoing, systematic crappification of our atmosphere via aerial platforms automatically excludes from the realm of "credibility" those who continue to express this concern? I disagree.

.....That kind of thinking and those actions are counter-productive. And those words continue to burn in my mind.....

Every single person involved in this process has made some errors in judgment along the way, including myself.

Since there is still, at this late date, no DEFINITIVE open public announcement in regard to the transition of our skies, in three short years, from what we ALL remember as being NORMAL to relatively continuous *conditions* that are anything BUT normal, I would say that it is up to those whose patience and determination suits them for the task to keep trying, as best they can, to stay the course in the midst of this disgusting and unprecedented Public Perception Management Campaign and continue to trust their own instincts and observations on the matter.

.....After the "chemtrail experience," I've learned to look at everything more critcially before jumping on any bandwagon.....

And you're not "on any bandwagon" at this time? Glad to hear it.

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3/19/02
The Boston Globe

Insects pose major threat to N.E. hemlocks

They look like the tips of tiny cotton swabs, clinging delicately to the undersides of hemlock branches across Massachusetts. But inside are millions of woolly adelgids, a sap-sucking insect that threatens to devastate one of New England's signature evergreens.

After a mild winter, the sandgrain-sized Asian woolly adelgid, usually killed by the cold, is thriving and expected to burst into dozens more Massachusetts communities, some as soon as this summer. And hemlocks, weakened by one of the worst droughts on record, are not expected to withstand the infestation for long.

"This bug is slowed by very cold temperatures, and trees that are in very healthy and vigorous condition," said Peter Del Tredici, director of living collections at the Arnold Arboretum in Jamaica Plain. "If you throw in the no insect mortalities and the drought ... we could see some serious damage."

Nearly all the Arboretum's 2,200 hemlocks show signs of the bug, which is often, if not always, fatal to hemlock trees.

The woolly adelgid has attacked Massachusetts hemlocks since at least 1989, when it was first spotted in Springfield. Since then it has spread slowly across the state. The insect has attacked about 10 percent of hemlocks around the Quabbin Reservoir, and foresters there are attempting to limit damage in part by cutting down trees. Meanwhile, thousands of homeowners in the 120 towns hit by the adelgid are watching their trees die.

In Connecticut, the bug has already overrun hemlocks. State-owned walking trails in Guilford were closed indefinitely three months ago because of the danger of falling hemlocks.

Maine is so intent on protecting its vast commercial forest from the dreaded disease that state officials now have an all-points bulletin on the bug. When they spot the tiny pest, they send a team out to kill it. So far, they've been successful - although some imported trees have been infested, none of the bugs have made the jump to the state's millions of hemlocks. In New Hampshire, a small infestation has been reported in Portsmouth. Vermont, so far, is believed to be free of the bugs.

Although tree blights are nothing new in New England, scientists consider this infestation one of the state's most serious. The long-living hemlock trees - some in Massachusetts are 400 years old - represent vast amounts of the region's old-growth forests, the only landscapes that have not been worked over by farmers or loggers. The hemlock is one of the three most common trees in the region, although exact numbers are hard to come by because hemlocks are distributed among other growth..... [more]
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/078/nation/Insects_pose_major_threat_to_N_E_hemlocks+.shtml

3/20/02
The Utica Observer-Dispatch

Mild winter might bring out the bugs early

Because the Mohawk Valley is experiencing one of its most snow-free winters on record: Bugs are out sooner.

Maple-syrup farmers are in a tizzy.

And well owners are conserving water already.

Roscoe Reed, a resident of the Herkimer County town of Columbia, said he’s seen his share of droughts. More snow is sorely needed in the area, he said.

"We haven’t had the snow that we should have had" Reed said. "That’s the thing. If you don’t get a good snow pack, then you’re going to be short of water in August, or maybe sooner. This year, we hardly had enough snow here to even snowshoe on. You can practically see grass all winter, which is not good."

Farmers are certainly concerned, he said. "If I have to truck water to spray my garden, I’ll do that. I have an old dug well I use as a spare to irrigate if I have to," Reed said.

Litchfield Town Supervisor Wayne Casler said as many as 10 to 20 percent of the town’s 1,400 residents could be without water this year. In rural towns, scarcity of water is a fact of life, Casler said.

"Every individual normally takes care of it on their own," he said. "They either haul water or go to a neighbor."

The warm, dry weather also hurts maple harvesters.

"When you have a mild winter and don’t have any snow cover, the sun beats down on the trees and it tends to defrost the ground faster," said Karl Wiles, owner of the Cedarvale Maple Syrup Company in Syracuse.

"When you finally move all the frost out of the trees, you don’t get runs anymore," Wiles said. The mild winter "didn’t preserve the length of the season."..... [more]
http://www.uticaod.com/news/daily/local3.htm

3/21/02
The Boston Herald

Parched Bay State welcomes snow

Yesterday's sleet and snow brought some meager relief to areas parched by drought, but the Bay State still needs another dozen inches or so to make up for the warmest winter on record.

Between last July and last month, the state received only 15 to 22 inches of precipitation - roughly 10 to 15 inches below normal, said Nicole Belk, a National Weather Service hydrologist. To make up for that, Massachusetts will need more than four inches a month this spring.

"The concern is not for now, but for later this year," Belk said. "That's when we'll really begin to see the impact."

Earlier this month, officials placed the entire state on a drought watch, urging people to conserve water.

A Drought Management Task Force meets regularly to monitor state reservoirs, including the Quabbin, where the water level is at only 82 percent of capacity.

Tonight will bring a chance of more snow or rain after midnight. Tomorrow and the weekend will be cold, with highs in the 30s. Temperatures will begin to warm up Monday with another chance of rain or snow and highs in the lower 40s.
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/weat03212002.htm

3/20/02
The Arizona Republic

Arizona skiing drying up

FLAGSTAFF -- When J.R. Murray surveys the meltdown of the state's ski industry because of the recent drought, one solution comes to mind: snowmaking.

As general manager of Arizona Snowbowl near Flagstaff, Murray has a choice: Hit the slopes with mass amounts of man-made crystals or watch skiers head to Colorado and Utah as Arizona ski areas go under.

Consider:

-- Arizona Snowbowl is wrapping up its worst ski season ever. It was open just four days after being open only 45 days two years ago and having four of its worst years on record since 1996.

-- Sunrise Park Resort in the White Mountains, owned by the White Mountain Apache Tribe, is seeking a multimillion-dollar federal grant to buy additional snowmaking equipment after it was able to stay open only 90 days this season despite having its own snow machines.

-- The owner of Williams Ski Area, south of Williams, said he's likely going out of business when next season ends because the U.S. Forest Service scuttled his proposal to expand his area and install snowmaking equipment.

-- Mount Lemmon Ski Valley near Tucson, the southernmost ski area in the country, also is hanging on by a thread after a 17-day ski season.

"Mother Nature has been sending us a very strong message," Murray said. "For the future of skiing in Arizona, snowmaking is required."

But that's coming with much controversy in Snowbowl's case.

Tuesday night, the Flagstaff City Council approved a proposal to sell Snowbowl up to 1.5 million gallons of treated wastewater daily for the four coldest months, despite protests from environmentalists and American Indians, who consider the San Francisco Peaks sacred.

Snowbowl wants to pump the treated wastewater about 15 miles from near downtown Flagstaff to its ski area midway up Agassiz Peak in what Murray said is an estimated $9 million project, including the cost of snowmaking machinery..... [more]
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/news/articles/0320nosnow20.html

3/23/02
The Boston Globe

Region's drought is not all bad news

Forget about family forays into the woods to find the salamanders and frogs that breed in spring puddles - many of those puddles are dry this year. But baseball teams across the region are celebrating because there's almost no mud season to delay their games.

The drought plaguing New England was all but invisible this winter, but as spring slowly unfolds, it is showing its parched face everywhere and in unexpected ways.

Despite the rain and snow on the first day of spring this week, it hardly made a dent in one of the worst droughts on record. Even before the heat of summer arrives, residents of Danvers have been banned from filling their swimming pools with public water, while many restaurant customers in Milford can only get water on request.

Greenhouse workers are advising homeowners against planting new trees that need lots of water. Some joke that cactuses might be better and predict more suburban bark beetles that prey on trees weakened by drought.

In Maine, biologists worry that water levels in two rivers are too low for salmon to spawn.

"People are going to see this drought in two ways: governments taking a tougher stand on water use, and they'll see it when they go for a walk along a stream. That stream may not be there anymore," said Bruce Berman of the environmental group Save the Harbor/Save the Bay. "We're missing a lot of water."

But not all the drought news is bad. If the dry weather keeps up, the mosquito that carries the West Nile virus may not find enough stagnant water to breed in, according to public health officials, who caution that it is too early to make predictions. High school athletic directors are ecstatic that fields aren't full of snow or mud. Though some may be swampy from this week's rain, they should be dry again with another two days of sun forecast for the weekend. The lack of packed winter snow also means there will be virtually no spring melt in some places.

In addition, a sustained drought could ease the spring and summer allergy season by reducing the amount of pollen from trees, grass, and ragweed.

"The pollen count is proportional to how luxurious the growth is; when there is less growth the pollen counts are low. And there is less growth in a drought," said Aidan Long, an allergy specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital.

posted 03-23-2002 05:42 PM               

The PATTERN is clear and followed all too regularly. Just watch for it. These are NOT CONtrails because they're raining down physical particulate into the oncoming rain fronts. CHECK THE PATTERN YOURSELVES!

posted 03-24-2002 12:51 PM               

I read through your information and looked at the images and have to agree with you. As Krissa said, we've seen it happen here more than once. It happened here again last night. They were spraying heavily over the Hudson River yesterday not long before sunset and last night the haze began to roll in. By noon today, the sun was almost completely obstructed by thick haze and chem-clouds. The forcast for tomorrow is saying that we might have rain. Of course it's not surprising that there is a rain cloud with a question mark in the middle of it. For the forcast today, there is a picture of the sun unobstructed by clouds. It was supposed to be a clear day today, but the sun is now completely covered. Not normal at all.

I have no doubt in my mind that they are spraying and that these are not normal contrails. I find it rather distressing that anyone could debunk what I have seen these jets do with my own eyes and say that there is no massive spraying campaign going on here.

posted 03-24-2002 03:43 PM            

why would it distress you dan ?

I did not see it, and I don't know you, nor do I have any reason to believe you...

I am interested in things that I see whether it be a similar picture or text from a credible source...

as for the sat. pic, looks like mackeral(sp?) skies and a few trails blowing out to sea...

question, how does that spray of yours hit the ground over your area, when it's obvious by your pic that those trails are being blown out to sea ?

posted 03-24-2002 06:39 PM               

Water levels are dangerously low and we only see maybe anywhere from 0.06" to maybe even a little more than an inch at the most. Something that up until this year has never happened before. Both Krissa and I are environmentalists and we have both tried to find another logical explanation for the lack of precipitation but each time we do, we are always seeing the jets spraying.

posted 03-25-2002 09:30 AM            

The drought of 1961-1968 was the most significant to date in our 150-year history. During this severe, multi-year drought we were able to supply our consumers without imposing any water restrictions. Our ability to withstand that drought came from our use of reservoirs ranging from Lake Gaillard to Lake Whitney. Our Water Resource Engineers use the statistics of the 1960s drought when they are planning for the future. http://www.rwater.com/supply/index.shtml

How do you explain the drought reversal on the West Coast while "chemtrails" are still being reported. (Larry claimed "chemtrails" were the reason for the Klamath Basin problems last summer when it was actually the Endangered Species Act.)

Contrails MAY be effecting the weather (see the "to sorethroat thread"), but I leave it up to the qualified scientists researching it to make the determinations of what really is and what isn't. Those scientists have been working on it long before the word "chemtrail" was coined. Some claim that the planes "spray into a front." The reality is that contrails will appear in front of a front because of the incoming increase of relative humidity at flying altitudes. Contrails are about weather, not a deliberate "spray program." That's not disinformation or opinion but tangible, verifiable fact. I document it twice a day, almost every day, and no one has yet come forward to prove it wrong.

Once again, I encourage people to read as much of Larry's website as you can possibly take in because he does "walk the talk." Be sure and read back into the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/

Drought Assessment through June, 2002 - http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/seasonal_drought.html

Still waiting for an explanation about the West Coast.

posted 03-25-2002 09:04 PM            

But, hey - we need to wait for the "real scientists" to come up with the perfect quantification methodology in order to infallibly measure every single detail of every single variable of a very complex, non-linear system, don't we, before the OBVIOUS can finally be pronounced OfFiCiAl.

Meanwhile, the atmosphere IS changing very NOTICABLY to many who DO remember what was NORMAL for their regions prior to 1999. And the physical effects of these changes ARE making themselves chronically felt in SOME REGIONS.

But hey - that's what all these new *allergy meds* are for, right? Advertised all over the place along with the obligatory Creepy Sky Backdrop now so familiar as to be just part of the whole disgusting Package.

Tough Crap if you've 1) never had "allergies" in your life prior to 1999 and 2) don't particularly care for putting synthetic pharmaceutical concoctions into your system.

Local towns, cities and counties now putting water restrictions into place and calling meetings to discuss contingency plans for the summer? Well running dry - or already sucked dry for the last few months? Don't be concerned.

The Ministry of Uncertainty says "we just don't know and anyway it's not really possible to know [with any CeRtAiNtY, that is] what will happen down the road." And you can Take That to The Bank. For as long, anyway, as it's possible to keep on convincing people that what they are SEEING requires *proof* of its very existence.

May the wheels never fall off your Bandwagon, Ms. Phalen.