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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 01:34 AM
Little Girl Dies in Gig Harbor Across The Bay! South Seattle/Tacoma/Gig Harbor pelted with chemtrails! Ardendale Elementary School closed repeatedly from unidentified contaminant. Symptoms identical to chemtrail poisoning. Health officials can't put their finger on what's causing students and teachers getting sick. I've personally witnessed military jets hammering that area with chems. The time to act is now! Reply
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Thermit
Tech

Houston, TX 2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-24-2002 10:07 AM
UT, I'm not familiar with this incident, what was the reported cause of death?
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Nirvana
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 10:45 AM
Here's the story. Check out the photo on the weblink. Is this a subtle hint as to the cause!?? Thanks UnhappyTrails! --------------------------- http://www.msnbc.com/local/pisea/71780.asp Kindergartner's death still mystery By ELAINE PORTERFIELD, MIKE LEWIS AND D. PARVAZ SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTERS May. 24 - GIG HARBOR -- The sudden death of a kindergartner who attended an elementary school beleaguered by health complaints remains a mystery, raising new concerns among parents. The 6-year-old girl, Madison Berggren, died Wednesday morning after she was rushed to the hospital when she stopped breathing. "She was a little piece of sunshine," remembered Kathy Weymiller, the principal of Artondale Elementary School. "She could light up the room when she smiled. She had a sparkle to her." In a message sent home to parents, school officials said there was no reason to believe Madison's death was related to the air-quality problems that prompted the school to close for two months earlier this year. She was not among the children and staff who had previously reported health problems, and the annex in which she attended classes hasn't shown to be affected by environmental issues that forced the school to close its main building for the rest of the school year. An autopsy yesterday failed to establish a conclusive cause of Madison's death, and further tests could take several weeks. Todd Kelley, spokesman for Mary Bridge Children's Hospital and Health Center in Tacoma where Madison died, said her twin sister died soon after birth from a congenital heart defect. The autopsy, though, did not reveal if Madison's death could have been caused by the same type of condition. Nor would officials speculate on whether environmental health problems at her school could have contributed to her death in any way. They did say they do not believe her death points to any public health threat. Parent Patti Vivian, left, walks with Artondale Elementary second-graders Maddie Scheutzew, Hayley Vivian and Hailey Benesch, all 8, and fourth-grader Christian Vivian, 9, after picking them up after school. Grant M. Haller / Seattle Post-Intelligencer Click for larger photo As a precaution, however, all half-day kindergarten and preschool classes were canceled until Tuesday. "I want to know the cause of death," said Jim Coolican, superintendent of the Peninsula School District. "Until I can guarantee the safety of the building, we will not have school in that building." In the meantime, some parents worry about having their children return to the school in the fall. Dorothy Rawls is among them. She has two children in the school and another who will be entering kindergarten next year. Her daughter, Annika, a fourth-grader, twice broke out in a rash. And Hayden, a third-grader, has had asthma attacks. Now, she's worried about her 4-year-old son, Alex. "I'm quite worried about where he is going to go to school," Rawls said. "Is he going to be bused a long way? Or is this school safe?" Then, she added: "I'm glad I'm not a superintendent." Idyllic setting Artondale Elementary School is located in an idyllic section of the Gig Harbor Peninsula. It's the place where fingers of salt water lick at wooded hillsides. The grange is just around the corner, and new craftsman-style houses on secluded cul de sacs jostle old apple orchards in the area. Madison lived in such a house, just a few blocks from a small farm offering hay for sale. Her parents were not home yesterday, and one neighbor said the couple asked that those living on the quiet street not speak to the media. The problems at Artondale Elementary School began during the 2000-2001 school year, when staff and students began complaining about unexplained rashes, headaches, breathing difficulties, sore throats, fatigue and other prob- lems. In January, the Peninsula Education Association, which represents teachers in the district, filed a grievance over air-quality problems at the school. A month later, the school closed, and the district spent $400,000 to clean the school's ventilation system, tear out old carpets and replace some ceiling tiles. Two independent firms tested the school in April and found the building safe after the decontamination process. Students and staff soon returned. But complaints persisted, and earlier this month, the Peninsula School Board decided to close the school for the rest of the year after parents and staff complained that the school is still making teachers and students sick. Most of Artondale's 470 students were transferred to makeshift classrooms at other schools, but the half-day kindergarten and preschool classes remained on the campus in a portable building. If that building can't be reopened, the 40 children may have to be bused to other schools until the end of the school year. Coolican said he hopes the entire school can be reopened by September. At a school board meeting last night, though, some wondered whether that was possible. "I don't see how we can open in September," said Diane Yelish, the school's nurse. "We don't know what we're dealing with in that building." She says nearly all the teachers in the school are physically ill. Some are becoming more forgetful, while others seem to get dizzy simply by walking past certain objects in the school. Mike Gordon, a parent with a sick child, asked the board to make Madison's symptoms public so that parents can see whether their children have the same symptoms. Within a month, the school plans to hire a consultant to try to identify the problem and determine if there are similar problems at other schools in the district, the board decided last night. "I think that's more important than anything you can do right now," Gordon said. Researcher skeptical Rawls doesn't blame the school for the health-related problems -- that's Mother Nature, she said. She's angry because she says school officials moved too slowly. "We've been hearing about this since 1996," she said. "I wish they would have closed it somewhat earlier." But Mansour Samadpour, an assistant professor of environmental health at the University of Washington, is skeptical that the symptoms described by students and teachers at Artondale are related to mold contamination. Samadpour, who has studied spore samples taken from the school, said what might appear to be a reaction to mold could be multiple layers of unrelated problems. Mold, he said, is everywhere, and school officials should consider other factors, such as allergies, infections, sensitivities to humidity and chemicals in the environment. According to Samadpour, March spore counts taken from various areas at the Artondale School indicate that there were 54 spores per cubic meter of air in Room A-20. The air outside the building had a spore count of 1,174 spore per cubic meter. "If mold were the issue here," Samadpour said, "people would die just from going outside and breathing fresh air."

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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 10:49 AM
This is what UT is talking about. It is very sad and disturbing.GIG HARBOR, Wash. - An autopsy that was performed Thursday on a Gig Harbor kindergartner, who died suddenly of mysterious causes, was ruled inconclusive pending further study, said the Pierce County medical examiner's office. “Since we have no understanding of the cause of the child’s death, no one can provide any information to parents other than if they have a child who has an illness, and they have concerns, they should seek care from their physician,” said Vic Harris of the Tacoma-Pierce County Health Department. read the whole article at: http://www.king5.com/topstories/NW_052302WABschooldeath.13419cae.html

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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 11:03 AM
Thanks Nirvana, In the article you posted I think this statement is very curious and I wish we had more explanation..."She says nearly all the teachers in the school are physically ill. Some are becoming more forgetful, while others seem to get dizzy simply by walking past certain objects in the school." what objects might those be?  Also, maybe just sloppy reporting but one article says Madison was found dead on wed morning after not feeling well the night before while the other article says she "died Wednesday morning after she was rushed to the hospital when she stopped breathing."

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 12:10 PM
My heart felt sadness extended to the parent's of little Madison. "They do not believe her death points to any public health threat." That statement is not senseable. Not till they know for sure what caused her death can they make that statement. I wonder if it will ever be made public.
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Nirvana
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 01:16 PM
Hi Hooligan. Yes indeed. Very strange about that wording. Perhaps Unhappy Trails can drive over there and try to find out more information since he lives in that area?I don't know if anyone noticed, but take a look at this link. There is a picture of a parent with a Boeing 757 model over her head. The caption reads "Parent Patti Vivian, left, walks with Artondale Elementary second-graders Maddie Scheutzew, Hayley Vivian and Hailey Benesch, all 8, and fourth-grader Christian Vivian, 9, after picking them up after school." Why would they have a weird shot like that to match the picture and not even show the kids? Was the photographer trying to tell us something, like chemtrails might be involved? http://www.msnbc.com/local/pisea/71780.asp 
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-24-2002 03:35 PM
The picture of the woman with the 757 in the backgound is not a parent of the kindergartner; she is Carolyn Corvi, Vice President of the 757 and 737 single-aisle airplane programs in Renton.The picture should've gone with another story about Boeing in the same issue of the P-I. the picture was probably mis-placed when they built the Internet Version of that day's P-I. ------------------ Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525 
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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 06:53 PM
Hi Hooligan and Nirvana. Yes I plan to drive over there to get more information. I'd like to think there might be one or two of you folks who will help get the word out in the Seattle/Tacoma area. There's power in numbers. Did you see the massive sundog over Seattle today complete with trails? I called every newspaper and news station I could think of. The reply was,"That's normal ma'am."
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Nirvana
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 07:45 PM
Yes, I saw the one of those "rare" sundogs today.Keep us posted on what you find out and we'll see what we can do. I've emailed local television with photo's before and never even got a response. 
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Catnip57
Senior Member

Central Washington 527 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 07:51 PM
"She says nearly all the teachers in the school are physically ill. Some are becoming more forgetful, while others seem to get dizzy simply by walking past certain objects in the school."what objects might those be? Yeah... that's the same question I had? ... maybe they're getting the wrong people in there doing the investigating... they need to take a look at those objects and test them for whatever anomalies they can find. Did you see the massive sundog over Seattle today complete with trails? I called every newspaper and news station I could think of. The reply was,"That's normal ma'am." We had a really impressive display of sun dogs located on the huge halo around the sun the other day. The sun dogs were located at the 9 and 3 o'clock positions relative to the sun. Nothing about it looked normal to me.. it looked down right weird and ominous. Today we've got the total white out haze now since the planes have been spraying diligently all day long. I don't know about anyone else.. but lately when I look at objects basking in the sun there's a strange quality to the sunlight anymore. Most objects appear to be lit too brightly... and certain colors have an increased intensity. I heard a really interesting lady talking on Art Bell last night. She mentioned that the sun is indeed going thru some changes in it's geomagnetics which in turn is affecting the earth's magnetics. ... I think perhaps it's time that I pay the money to be able to listen to Mr. Bell on- line during the hours when I'm more awake, rather than stay up till 1 o'clock in the morning. I really should tape record that particular show too. 
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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 07:56 PM
I'd mentioned that I'd called every newspaper and news station in the Seattle area today about that massive sundog. King 5 said they had been flooded with calls and it would be covered on the 5:00 o'clock news this evening. Well, I just watched the damned news for 1 hr. and there was not even a mention of it. Flooded with phone calls eh? I bet one of them was from the Feds. 
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Catnip57
Senior Member

Central Washington 527 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-24-2002 08:11 PM
Flooded with phone calls eh? I bet one of them was from the Feds.Yeah... I bet you're right.... I wished I'd taken a picture of those sun dogs I saw the other day.. they were out of this world. I'm going to have to start paking my camera with me more... too many opportunities for unusual pictures are slipping by me. I suppose I could always use my cheapie camera. 
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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 08:41 PM
Hey Catnip, I've been packing 2 cameras around with me. Don't leave home without them. Funny though, the best pictures do come from the cheapie. My Nikon digital vs. the Pentax. Pentax wins hands down especially on the sundogs and particulates discharged from the jets. No comparison really. I've got a P.S. for Nirvana. Someone is sending viruses with your name all over it. They're calling it the Nirvana files. Do Not Open Attachments! 
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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 09:19 PM
I took some photos today of some strange looking chemtrail circular things and the sun halo. Ya know, we see so many of those halos these days that it is hard to believe people call anyone about it. Do they call and say 'Hey there's another sun halo today, just like yesterday' ? Until I saw that big deal made in Florida I was beginning to think I was crazy thinking they are odd. Maybe there have always been sun halos and I never noticed. hmm I haven't loaded the pics onto the computer yet so I don't know how they came out. Also, I saw a rainbow while I was driving this afternoon, it was so strange, like a rainbow after rain, but there was no rain just chemtrails today.That is weird. Catnip, they play the rerun of Art Bell in the afternoon on 1000am in seattle, so I just listened to that woman you mentioned and she was very interesting. They did talk about the sun being different which is a popular thread here. Also of great interest to me is the idea of the frequency of the earth and a person becoming in sync and dna actually changing as a result. It seems like the earth and the people on it are moving to a different level where 'love is all there is'as John Lennon said. Evolution of love and oneness. If you are not ready you can stay here but I'll tell you right now, I'm going. UT, I know there is something going on in the sky but I am not ready to say anything to anyone except "LOOK UP FOLKS" I'm not telling anyone the gov't wants to kill us or children are being injured. The picture is bigger than just chemtrails and I want to gather all the info I can so I can't tell you I'm gonna stand on a corner with a sign. I will help how I can. 
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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-24-2002 11:10 PM
Hooligan, that is sad to hear. 
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Nirvana
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-25-2002 12:09 AM
I've got a P.S. for Nirvana. Someone is sending viruses with your name all over it. They're calling it the Nirvana files. Do Not Open Attachments!Ahhh, somebody out there is trying to spoil the party! Well, they are going to have to be smarter than that. I have not been sending any emails to list-members today. If the email says nirvana and does not originate from "nirvanafloat@hotmail.com", then hit the delete key. And that means checking for spoofing too; look at the return path in the email header if you suspect a virus. In Outlook you can use file..properties in outlook express, or view..options in outlook. That Klez/W32 virus is going around quite a bit and uses spoofing. That's wild about all the calls to King5. Today was a doozie for chemtrails. I suppose I do hold out some hope that our government is doing this stuff for our own good. It would be good if they clued us in. 
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Nirvana
Senior Member

Seattle, WA 180 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-25-2002 12:30 AM
p.s. There is currently a rainbow around the almost full moon.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida 706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-25-2002 08:18 AM
RE: Virus, I've just been made aware that there may be a nasty email bug going around with my name attached to it too. Do not open, I'm not emailing anyone, will use the personal message service Thermit has provided to reach members here first.
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RAF_DOWDING
New Member

Whitby, Ontario, Canada 2 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-25-2002 10:29 AM
What doesn't make sense to me is they're saying there's no health threat to the public. If they don't know what killed her, then how can they say it isn't dangerous? They're just assuming it's not dangerous!
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KrissaTMC2
Never Surrender!

Greenwich, CT, USA 472 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 05-25-2002 02:24 PM
School closed as precaution after girl dies; students had complained of headaches, itchy eyes By Associated Press, 5/23/2002 18:50 GIG HARBOR, Wash. (AP) A building used by preschoolers and kindergartners at an elementary school was closed Thursday as investigators tried to determine whether there was any connection between the death of a 6-year-old girl and health complaints at the school. Madison Berggren, a kindergartner at Artondale Elementary School, was hospitalized Wednesday morning when her parents discovered she wasn't breathing. She later died of unexplained causes, said Todd Kelley, spokesman for Mary Bridge Children's Hospital and Health Center in Tacoma. ''To say this is related to Artondale at this point is incredibly speculative,'' Kelley said, but he called the girl's death ''incredibly troubling.'' An autopsy found no public health threat. Ed Duke, chief investigator for the medical examiner, said further tests will be needed to determine what caused her death. The girl had a twin sister with a congenital heart defect who died soon after birth, but it was unclear if Madison's death could have been caused by the same type of condition, Duke said. In a message to parents, school officials said they had no reason to believe Madison's death was related to environmental problems that prompted the school to shut down for a two-month cleanup earlier this year. As a precaution, though, all half-day kindergarten and preschool classes were canceled until Tuesday, following the Memorial Day holiday. Madison was a student in a half-day morning kindergarten class that met in the basement until Monday, when it was closed again after students and staff members complained of problems including headaches, itchy eyes, breathing troubles, numbness and tingling. Most of Artondale's 470 students were transferred to other schools, but the half-day kindergarten and preschool classes remained in a portable building. The district had spent $400,000 on various repairs at the school during the cleanup in February and March. The school reopened for classes in April after two independent consultants and state health officials determined it was safe. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/143/nation/School_closed_as_precaution

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Senior Member

Mt. Vernon, WA, USA 141 posts, Aug 2000
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posted 05-25-2002 07:33 PM
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thinkworks_llc
New Member

2 posts, Mar 2002
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posted 06-01-2002 03:38 PM
Thanks for bringing this (sad) information to our attention. I am researching correlations between CT activity and mystery illnesses. It is interesting that even after the $400,000 cleanup of the school that the complaints from students and teachers did not stop, and that people were still experiencing problems. I think it can only point to external sources, airborne in nature. Talking with some of the PA Health Dept people in Bucks County, they never found any antibodies, or any evidence of bacteria or viruses in blood tests. The respiratory and rash symptoms, the varying intensities of rash, and the sporadic "contamination" of others suggests a chemical such as aluminum oxide, or barium oxide. 
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 06-01-2002 05:18 PM
Welcome thinkworks_llc.We have a thread with information concerning Barium Stearate and Aluminum Oxide taken right from their MSDS sheets. Nasty health effects of Barium Stearate - rash, respiratory, etc. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001087.html And I and a few others have been keeping track of all the rash cases as well as the increase of health problems in children in general on this thread. Our Children Are Getting Sick! http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000092.html
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herbivore
Along for the ride

New Mexico 105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 06-02-2002 12:45 AM
The Gray Strumpet has put out a long article in its Sunday Magazine describing The Rash suffered by US children as psychosomatic. The general theme of the article is that these rashes are only coming to everyone's attention now because of post-911 hysteria. Curiously, the learned author mentions chemtrails, as an item in a laundry list of conspiracy bugaboos and hobgoblins: quote: In another year, schools with rash outbreaks might not have warranted news vans planted in their parking lots for days. In another year, the rashes might not have fueled such florid, conspiratorial discussion on the Internet -- it was ''chemtrails'' from airplanes; it was books on Islam donated to schools by questionable Saudis; it was a terrorist attack coverup -- or engaged the attentions of overworked state health officials for months. The rash outbreaks might not have triggered an investigation by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as these did. Or calls for Congressional hearings, like those demanded by a coalition of environmental organizations led by the Healthy Schools Network. Alarm about rashes might not have brought 1,000 parents out to a meeting with the school superintendent in Quakertown, Pa.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/02/magazine/02HYSTERIA.html?pagewanted=print&position=t op How clever. Chemtrails are now in the NYTimes, presented as somebody's hysterical fantasy, caged in quotation marks, lest anyone mistake them for reality. Or, lest they leap out and become an issue themselves.
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