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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:04 PM
  
ATTN:ATTN:ATTN:>>>>>>READ BELOW PLEASE!!!!NEW INFO FOR THERMIT AND THE GANG AND ANY BODY ELSE WHO THINKS THIS SITE IS A WAIST OF TIME!!!!!!!!!! oh my god,hide your women and children, one of the worst days I personaly seen,and I.'ve sceen tons and tons of them ,we are under a complete blanket of chems,thick and so asphyxiating,I stepped out for two minutes and I'm still coughing. please consider I am a personal trainer and am in great shape,never get sick[under normal cond.]but the've been spraying for so many days I feal my immune system weakening,of course that what they want,suffices to say you just feel BAD!!!, with all the typical symptoms, I'm sure you know the drill! Its so thick today I don't think you could see if the'er spraying more or not.looked like the first waves were chems only,now it is a mix of chems and some real clouds,again 30 min. later my throat still burns. I wish I could share my symptoms with thoses who still refuse to accept what is happening to us all!!!TRUST ME,IT WOULD STRAIGHTEN THEM RIGHT UP!tell a friend,tell your loved ones please,help us save our lives!!!...PEACE.
ATTN:ATTN:>>>>>>>>>>> TO THE CREATORS OF THIS SITE, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE OPENING STATEMENT "LOOKING FOR ANSWERS" ECT
,TO BAD YOUR NOT INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING!!!IT APPEARS TO A OUTSIDER[WHICH IS JUST WHERE YOU KEEP NEW PEOPLE,I ASKED FOR HELP FROM THERMIT AND OTHERS AND NOTHING NOT ONE RESPONCE,EXCEPT FROM JEANIE,THANKS JEANIE,BUT FROM THE REST NOTHING THANKS GUYS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!] THAT THIS SITE IS FOR NOTHING BUT TALK,TALK,TALK,DEBATE WITH PEOPLE THAT SHOULDNT BE HERE,COMMENTS TO THE DEBUNKERS THAT SPEAK OF KILLING THEM,WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU DONE HERE OTHER THAN ALLOW THE CHAT LINE OF HUMAN DISSENSION,WHERE PEOPLE CAN ATTACK EACH OTHER CAUSE YOU DO NOTHING TO CONTROL ANY OF THIS BULL,[NICE JOB GUYS AND GIRLS]DO YOU THINK THIS IS HELPING THE CAUSE,DID YOU OPEN THIS SITE JUST TO PROVE YOUR COMPUTER SKILLS TO THE WORLD AND SIT BACK AND HAVE THE AUDACITY TO SAY SPREAD THE WORD,PICK CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL,YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME WHY DONT YOU TRY AUTO SALES IF ALL YOUR INTERSETED IN IS THE SELLING OF YOUR PRODUCT!!!!HOW MANY YEARS DO YOU THINK WE CAN SIT AROUND AND POSTULATE CONJECTURE "DISCUSS" THE CHEMTRAIL ISSUE BEFORE WE ARE POISENED TO DEATH,YOU'LL STILL BE CREATING THREDS WHILE THE WALLS ARE CRUMBLING ALL AROUND YOU,WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU HAVE A FEW PEOPLES EARS ....DO SOMETHING .....DONT JUST SIT THERE ....DO SOMETHING....I CHALLANGE EVEYONE ON THIS SITE TO CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SEND THEM ALL THE INFO YOU HAVE,THE PETITION FOR CHEMTRAIL DISCLOSER,I HAVE'NT SEEN A SINGLE THING MENTIONED ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST CHEMTRAILS,AND DONT KID YOURSELF, THIS IS A FIGHT,THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT THIHK SO WILL BE SITTING THERE PATTING THEM SELVES ON THE BACK WHILE THE REST OF US DO FIGHT FOR OUR EXISTANCE AGAINST THE MANIACAL RULERS OF OUR WORLD! AND NOW MY POSTING RIGHTS HAVE BEEN REVOKED,YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO TALK OF KILLING EACH OTHER,DEBUNKERS RATTLE ENDLESSLY AND DO NOTHING BUT CAUSE CONFUSITION AND CREATE A SITUATION WHERE YOU CANT EVEN DISCUSS CHEMTRAILS WITHOUT BEING DRAWN INTO AN WASTEFULL DISCUSION THAT YOU DID'NT WANT TO HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR LITTLE SITE ANYWAY IS IT CONTRAIL CENTRAL...NO....OR IS IT CONTRAIL CHAT LINE....NO....OR IS IT COMPUTER SNOB LINE...MAYBE, ITS JUST TO BAD THAT WITH A NAME LIKE """"CHEMTRAIL CENTRAL"""" YOUR NOT EVEN INTERSETED IN ACOMPLISHING ANYTHING BUT TALKING.SO I COULD TELL THIS SITE WAS'NT GOING ANY WHERE AND I WAS DEFINATELY IN THE WRONG PLACE AND WOULD BE LEAVING BUT GOT 86ED WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A PEEP FROM THEMIT OR ANYONE ELSE,SO ON TOP OF EVERYTHING YOUR THOUGHTLESS AND DONT EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO TELL SOMEONE WHY YOU REMOVE THEM FROM YOUR PRESIOUS LITTLE SITE.....WELL YOU CAN HAVE IT AND AS YOUR LITTLE BUDDY PILOT ONCE SAID[BUT HE GOES BACK ON HIS WORD SO DONT TRUST HIM!!!!!!!!!!] I BID YOU ADIEU!
tiredofbeingsprayedman PS TO THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE WHO WANT TO ACTUALY DO SOMETHING ABOUT CHEMS PLEASE DONT WAIST YOUR TIME HERE,TRY SKYWATCHERS HTTP://WWW.CARNICOM.COM/MEMBER.HTM OR SEND LETTER TO SKTWATCHERS PO BOX 23317 SANTA FE NM. 87505 AND OHIO CITIZENS AGAINST CHEMTRAILS ,614-228-6981,HTTP://WWW.CARNICOM.COM/CONTRAILS.HTM AND TONS OF OTHER USEFULL SITES,DONT STAY HERE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE OR ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!!!! PEACE TO OUR MOTHER EARTH AND HER LOVING SPIRITS WHO WILL FIGHT TO SAVE HER AND OUR LIVES!!!!!!!!!
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-12-2003 04:10 PM
Well now I know what J41 is, a high altitude highway at a designated place. My conclusion at this time is that there are contrails (innocent ice crystals) and there are chemtrails (not so innocent) orchestrated by those with ulterior motives regardless of the cost to all life.
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NW41Heavy
Negro with an Attitude
Tallahassee, FL
88 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:12 PM
Hello all.. yes, J41 is a high altitude airway... we actually have 8 different directions of airways radiating right over Tallahassee at the SZW radio beacon- J41, J20, J73, J2 all come over here and make intersection turns at the radio beacon (called a VOR)- so you can see different angular patterns form on days when the conditions are condusive to the longer lasting trails to form. J stands for Jet. Low altitude airways (below 18,000 feet) are designated with a V. The trails, which were prominent and lingering this morning, are no longer being formed late this afternoon.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-12-2003 04:21 PM
Ellyn***North west Connecticut was a little better off today as the sky cleared. Of course we know it's temporary.Pilot::Maybe you could do us the honors of explaining the purpose of the grid pattern.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:30 PM
I could give you quite a few reasons for the "grid patterns".Im going to go whip up a little visual aid for you all, so keep your eye on this thread for the next 30 mins or so, and I'll explain
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by NW41Heavy:
have a great day non-believers...BREATH DEEP!
. Ok back on subject- So how bout that temperature at FL360? could'nt care less ,IT IS NOT ABOUT ICE CUBES AT 36,000 FEET it is about chems,there real,get over it...PEACE!
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tiredofbeingsprayedman
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:40 PM
IT IS NOT ABOUT ICE CUBES AT 36,000 FEET it is about chems,No, it is about you mistaking ice cystals for chems.
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by chemwatcher:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NW41Heavy:
[b]GEEZ! What's with the caps lock? sentence are hard enough to read .... THEN DONT READ THEM!! THEY NOT FOR YOU!! IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SOME THING POSITIVE, NOT TO BE CONTRARY AND CONFRONTATIONAL OR FILL VOIDS IN THEIR LIVES!!DONT YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME LIKE START YOUR OWN CONTRAIL SITE.YOU GUYS WILL ALWAYS BE RIGHT THERE!Certainly ice crystals suspend up in the atmosphere- thats what cirrus clouds are- and contrails. Remember the simplest explaination is usually the true one. Which is simpler- a massive government conspiracy to spray...well whatever you guys think they are spraying- still havent gotten a straight answer... to spray junk in the atmosphere, or that through combustion water vapor gets farted out the back of jet engines and condenses and freezes into cirrifrom clouds after getting twisted and strewn all different directions by the wake of the airplane. Not to mention the fact that it is damn cold up there! By the time you get above 18,000 feet, it is perpetually below zero no matter where you are on the earth.
IF YOU WERE REFURING TO ME AS A REDNECK , FIRST OF ALL IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE READ THAT FROM YOU BEFORE, SO GET SOME NEW MATERIAL,PLEASE, BUT SERIOUSLY IF YOU MENT ME THEN YOU REALLY ARE MISGUIDED.I HAVE A PONYTAIL HALF WAY DOWN MY BACK,NOT TO MENTIONS I HAVE BEEN TO PROTEST AND SUCH,MAN THATS FUNNY,I'LL HAVE TO TELL MY FRIENDS, THE'LL GET A KICK OUT OF THAT. REDNECK,NOT THIS OR ANY OF MY LIVES. BUT AS I TOLD PHX. I WONT WAIST TIME HERE, WHY DO YOU???,SHOULD'NT YOU BE ON A ANTI CHEM. SITE?? ANYWAY,I WON'T INGAGE IN SPECLUATION OR DEBATES,THAT IS NOT WHY I JOINED,IT IS TO HELP TO TELL THE WORLD AND DISCUSS WITH OTHER'S WHAT OR HOW OR WHEN WE CAN DO SOME THING ABOUT THINGS LIKE CHEMS AND THE EUGENICS NEW WORLD ORDER,COMPARED TO THEM, CHEMS ARE A WALK IN THE PARK. BUT WE MUST START SOME WHERE HUH. SO HAVE YOUR BELIEF'S I'LL KEEP MINE ,I WON'T ARGUE ANY MORE , WE'VE WORK TO DO!!!
DQ.[/B][/QUOTE] ------------------
tiredofbeingsprayedman
[Edited 1 times, lastly by chemwatcher on 04-12-2003]
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:51 PM
Ok, here is ONE reason for some of the grid patterns you see. There are a few more which I will explain later on. Remember, I did this in about 2 minutes, so it is a very rudimentary, asthetically speaking.But I hope it is enough to get the point across. Now, imagine the brown lines in this graph are high altitude airways. 
Now, imagine that 3 aircraft flew through this graph. One aircraft on each airway. Now, fast forward in time about 10 minutes. With the prevailing winds from the WSW, this is where the contrails (red lines) would be situated. 
Now, lets have another 3 planes fly the airways in the same way the previous 3 did. They all lay contrails as well. WSW winds push the older contrails (green lines) even further north-east, and after 10 minutes, the new contrails (red lines) are also pushed NE. Here is our current situation: 
As you can see, if this keeps up for hours on end, you will have dozens of equi-distant contrails, eventually merging, to form one horizon to horizon grid pattern.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 04:54 PM
IF YOU WERE REFURING TO ME AS A REDNECK , FIRST OF ALL IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE READ THAT FROM YOU BEFORE, SO GET SOME NEW MATERIAL PLEASE,Thats his signature. That might possibly explain why you have seen it before. Its not directed at you.
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 05:01 PM
WHY IS THIS HERE! this has nothing to do with chem sightings,make your own site and share your views there. You use valuble space needed for the material that should be here! THERMIT, shuold'nt info other than chem,sightings be somewhere else??? quote:
Originally posted by PHXPilot:
Ok, here is ONE reason for some of the grid patterns you see. There are a few more which I will explain later on. Remember, I did this in about 2 minutes, so it is a very rudimentary, asthetically speaking.But I hope it is enough to get the point across. Now, imagine the brown lines in this graph are high altitude airways. Now, imagine that 3 aircraft flew through this graph. One aircraft on each airway. Now, fast forward in time about 10 minutes. With the prevailing winds from the WSW, this is where the contrails (red lines) would be situated. Now, lets have another 3 planes fly the airways in the same way the previous 3 did. They all lay contrails as well. WSW winds push the older contrails (green lines) even further north-east, and after 10 minutes, the new contrails (red lines) are also pushed NE. Here is our current situation: As you can see, if this keeps up for hours on end, you will have dozens of equi-distant contrails, eventually merging, to form one horizon to horizon grid pattern.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 05:04 PM
WHY IS THIS HERE! this has nothing to do with chem sightings,make your own site and share your views there. You use valuble space needed for the material that should be here! THERMIT, shuold'nt info other than chem,sightings be somewhere else???Gee, maybe its because Jeanie just asked me this: Pilot::Maybe you could do us the honors of explaining the purpose of the grid pattern. And quit quoting entire posts.
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 05:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PHXPilot:
[b]IF YOU WERE REFURING TO ME AS A REDNECK , FIRST OF ALL IT SEEMS TO ME I'VE READ THAT FROM YOU BEFORE, SO GET SOME NEW MATERIAL PLEASE,Thats his signature. That might possibly explain why you have seen it before. Its not directed at you.[/B]
sorry,my mistake,my bad,sorry HEAVY.with all the flack that was flying around and your last post to me, being so derogatory and purposely insulting,I thought your name was a resonse,[it dose look that way to me? ] that was directed at me.Again I appologize.If I'm going to fight with someone,I dont want to do it by mistake...PEACE!
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-12-2003 07:15 PM
Pilot***Thanks for the explaination which I can understand. I appreciate your effort. Can't say I'm totally convinced that all pictures of grids I have seen are just from such air traffic.I still have not lessened my conviction that most of the sky slop observed are multi purpose chemtrails. Today, the 12th was a pleasure as there was not the slightest trail seen in the sky. Are we to assume there was no air traffic ? I think not and weather, moisture or no moisture has little to do with it. They are simply busy in some other area.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Jeanie on 04-12-2003]
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 07:34 PM
No problem Jeanie.  Other explainations include: Aircraft not on same airways, but flying toward same VOR, causing parallel lines. Some aircraft on an airway, some on direct GPS flight paths, bypassing airways altogether, flying toward same general fix. ATC will vector faster aircraft to the side of slower aircraft until they are adequatly overtaken. Any of those things happen on a day with conditions good for persistant contrails, and you will get dozens of persistent, parallel, contrails.
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msu94
Senior Member
Tucson, AZ
206 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 04-12-2003 08:03 PM
So if contrails intersect, that means chemical spraying, and if they are parallel and do not intersect, that means chemical spraying too?
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-12-2003 08:08 PM
No it does not mean that all contrails that intersect are chemtrails and it does not mean that all contrails parallel are chemtrails. Nor does it mean the opposite. There's plenty of each to go around.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-12-2003 08:16 PM
So if contrails intersect, that means chemical spraying, and if they are parallel and do not intersect, that means chemical spraying too?Ya know, its weird. I realized the exact same thing a few days ago. I was sitting outside watching airliners cross the sky, with a few leaving persistant contrails in a local area, and I saw an airliner coming in trailing a short contrail. I figured that he would pass through the good contrail forming air mass once he got there. I remember thinking "ok, the chemmies say that if he goes through the air mass and doesnt make a persistant contrail, then it is evidence for chemtrails. But, wait, the chemmies also say that aircraft laying contrails in one spot is also evidence for chemtrails. ummmmm" It would have been evidence for chemtrails whether he left a good sized contrail or not! They cover all the bases well.
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 01:45 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jeanie:
Pilot***Thanks for the explaination which I can understand. I appreciate your effort. Can't say I'm totally convinced that all pictures of grids I have seen are just from such air traffic.I still have not lessened my conviction that most of the sky slop observed are multi purpose chemtrails. Today, the 12th was a pleasure as there was not the slightest trail seen in the sky. Are we to assume there was no air traffic ? I think not and weather, moisture or no moisture has little to do with it. They are simply busy in some other area.
REMEMBER,pilot seems to be like our gov.they mix just enough truth with the deception to make you wonder,he has purposely mis-quoted me,and distorted what was said,so he can keep you confused,...just like our gov. kind of like watching a magician,if you look at what they are trying to get you to watch,you miss the trickery,the pea under the shell so to speak,I know there is truth to some of what the non believers say,but not all of it!!! check for yourself, check all the sites,dont stop till YOUR satisfied,peace and love to us all!
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tiredofbeingsprayedman
[Edited 2 times, lastly by chemwatcher on 04-14-2003]
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 01:50 AM
thankyou GOD,we finally got a day off in PHX.,YEAH,BABY. NO CHEMS TODAY.we will pray for tomorow....PEACE AND LOVE FOR US ALL!------------------
tiredofbeingsprayedman
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 01:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PHXPilot:
[b]IT IS NOT ABOUT ICE CUBES AT 36,000 FEET it is about chems,No, it is about you mistaking ice cystals for chems.[/B]
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tiredofbeingsprayedman
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 02:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by chemwatcher:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PHXPilot:
[b][b]IT IS NOT ABOUT ICE CUBES AT 36,000 FEET it is about chems,No, it is about you mistaking ice cystals for chems.[/B]
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH....HEARD IT ALREADY,CAN YOU GET SOME NEW MATERIAL PLEASE,BORING...[/B][/QUOTE] ------------------
tiredofbeingsprayedman
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-14-2003 02:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PHXPilot:
Chemwatcher, contrails change properties because....get ready....here it comes....atmospheric conditions change!
PRETTY WEAK,USEING MY STYLE,RIPOFF..GET YOUR OWN!!
I know! Crazy isnt it! You see, the atmosphere doesnt stay the same throughout the day. See, listen closely now, if a higher humidity air mass moves through an area that did not previously have one, you will get a sudden increase in persistent contrails!Early in the morning, conditions were not right. Throughout the day a high humidity air mass moved into the area, causing persistent contrails! I know you wont believe me, so take a look at this looping water vapor satellite imagry from today. http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_wv_us_loop-12.html
As you can see, earlier today, a very dry mass moved through, then quite quickly, a very high humidity air mass moved right in over phoenix! What did this cause?!?! Thats right! Persistant contrails! And I see your skirting the temperature question. Tell us all straight forward what you believe. At 35 Thousand feet the temperature is usually: A) -40 degrees F
B) 54 degrees F Im assuming you arent choosing one because picking "A" will mean you admit contrail have the ability to last for hours on end, and if you pick "B" it shows that you know nothing about the atmosphere. Rock and a hard place, huh? FEELS FINE TO ME ,SNUG AS A BUG IN A RUG, IF YOU THINK THIS IS HARD YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE> OR GET A JOB THAT TEACHES WHAT A REAL HARD PLACE FEELS LIKE,PEACE BABY.......
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tiredofbeingsprayedman
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chemwatcher
Senior Member
phoenix,az,usa
87 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-15-2003 05:32 PM
Today in beautiful PHX. AZ,we had rain this morning,temp is 65 degrees,humidity,30%,winds 15 mph,wsw."NOW HERE COMES THE AMAZING PART" with cooler temps. than we've had in a month or so,prime cond. for "contrail formation" and thats just what i saw,tons of big fluffy "real clouds and quickly dissipating real contrails" YEAH,NOT ONE THAT LASTED EVEN ONE MINUTE,NOT ONE!! SO WHERE ARE THEY TODAY?? THESE FUNNY CLOUDS,TRAILS,STREAKS,ALL LEFT BY PLANES..TODAY,I'LL TELL YOU WHERE,THE'ER STILL IN THE STORAGE TANKS,WAITING TO BE SPRAYED ANOTHER DAY,COME ON PEOPLE,USE THE INTELLIGENCE GOD GAVE US,THINK,CLOUDS EVERYWHERE,NO BIG GIANT PLOOMING STREAKY,SNOTY,STRINGY,DRIPPY,WEBBY CRAP, just the real thing,beautiful,GOD and nature made clouds,YEAH,BABY,ENJOY PEOPLE,im sure they'll be back all to soon....GOD BLESS MOTHER EARTH[ SHES WATCHING YOU RAPERS AND DEFILERS OF OUR SPACE }AND ITS PEOPLE!
PEACE!
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tiredofbeingsprayedman
[Edited 2 times, lastly by chemwatcher on 04-15-2003]
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 04-15-2003 05:43 PM
Oh goodie, you seem to have fallen back into the trap of "look at conditions in my backyard, assume that must be the conditions at 35,000 feet."Your not going to understand anything until you learn one very basic concept about the atmosphere: "The weather here does not indicate the weather there."
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