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SuperSaiyan
New Member
USA
1 posts, Jul 2002
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posted 07-25-2002 02:45 PM
  
I'm not understanding the whole Chemtrail issue. I have searched and read topics and all I seem to read and see is about planes spraying something into the air. What is this chemical? Is that the question we are trying to answer? Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this topic and please enlighten me. Thanks.------------------
"and knowing is half the battle"
-G.I.Joe 
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 07-25-2002 03:00 PM
Welcome SuperSaiyan. There are many theories as to what chemicals are being sprayed on us. Barium Stearite, Aluminum Oxide as well as certain biologicals may be involved but we can not really be certain about the exact combination or composition of chemicals that they are using. All we know is that people are getting sick from mysterious respiratory illnesses and developing skin rashes and other serious health problems.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-26-2002 10:38 AM
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/chemfaq.shtml
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US
176 posts, May 2002
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posted 07-26-2002 09:08 PM
Just to present the other side of the coin, A forum site for "debunkers"
http://pub31.ezboard.com/bcontrailsandchemtrails22884
And a hand full of other sites that don’t believe in chemtrails:
http://worldzone.net/international/chickiedeb/
http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/3665147p-4690977c.html
http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm
http://goodsky.homestead.com/index.html
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 07-26-2002 10:20 PM
And keep in mind the thousands of aircrew who fly through the skies daily and haven't managed to get this "mystery illness". And my Learjet doesn't have any fancy HEPA filters on it.C. Dickens
Commercial/multi-engine/instrument/helicopter
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canex
Senior Member
USA
164 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-26-2002 10:27 PM
SuperSaiyan,The mysterious chemicals being sprayed are H2O, CO2, soot, and insignificant amounts of various trace elements found in jet fuel.
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Alpha-Theta
Superior
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694 posts, May 2002
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posted 07-27-2002 12:05 AM
Hey Super Saiyan, There are a lot of links to the left. Check them out, especially the image database, and then decide for yourself what to believe. I have the utmost confidence that anyone who looks at this objectively and reasonably will draw the correct conclusion.
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Alpha-Theta
Superior
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694 posts, May 2002
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posted 07-27-2002 12:35 AM
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And keep in mind the thousands of aircrew who fly through the skies daily and haven't managed to get this "mystery illness". And my Learjet doesn't have any fancy HEPA filters on it
With all due respect Pacer, you are in no postition to provide testimony for 'the thousands of aircrew'. Your voice is one, remember?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-27-2002 02:31 AM
A/T, if pilots and stewardess' ground crews, baggage handlers, frequent flyers...if any of them were getting sick...the world would know about it...look what a big deal *they* made about the drunk pilots and the "3 gallon" beer tab one had at the bar before a flight...I'd think it's a fair assumption that whatever aerosol components are up there, they are not making any of those folks sick in any way...and it would be serious news if it did... if what's up there comes down as it's been implied...then it is not making anyone sick down here either... and that debunks the "chemtrails make you sick" proposal.... strike one and next on deck for the traveling chemtrailers... airborne aerosol innoculation theory followed by radar defense shield global warming mitigant and rounding out the line up in the bottom of the nineth.... weather modification... 
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T/S
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Alpha-Theta
Superior
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694 posts, May 2002
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posted 07-27-2002 03:47 AM
Seeker, I can in no way say wether or not possible chemicals in contrails or chemtrails make anyone sick. I have experienced no ailments that I relate to chemtrails. My point was simply that no one individual person can possibly speak for thousands. Pacer made it very clear at one point that he was not speaking on behalf of the USAF, so I kind of stuck my nose in this one. After reading Bernard Eastlunds patent I realized that the X formations could be target areas which will be used to coordinate ELF applications via sattelite. I have always maintained the opinion that the chemtrails don't necessarily contain any type of bio warfare, but likely metals or ceramics used to amplify the heat and maintain redundant resonance. It's more along the lines of exploiting the atmosphere, especially the ionisphere, for communication and "defense purposes". Nevertheless it is being done behind our backs and therefore I do not believe it is ethical nor a good long term choice for our ecosystems.
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit
Flagstaff, AZ
700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-27-2002 04:14 AM
Taken from 24th floor window with a 50mm lens: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/cgi-bin/db-search.cgi?template=img-detail&dbname=img&key2=453&action=searchdbdisplay
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-27-2002 10:03 AM
Wow, for a non issue this is sure drawing the debunkers. bonehead,pacer,seeker and now canex/minnis, who is one in the same. Really guys, you are tipping your hand in this cyber gangbang.
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crazymomlady
New Member
Port Orchard Wa. U.S.A.
15 posts, Jul 2002
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posted 07-27-2002 11:47 AM
SuperSaiyan, to become informed on a subject a person needs to research both sides of a subject and form their own opinion based on the information at hand. Do not swallow either side of this issue whole just because I or anyone else says so.
crazymomlady
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-27-2002 02:15 PM
At one point MegaSlayerNews had an article about pilots getting sick. Anyone else see or remember that. It was exactly about what the debunkers are saying isn't happening to pilots.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-27-2002 05:54 PM
A/T,I can in no way say wether or not possible chemicals in contrails or chemtrails make anyone sick. I can't either but the testimony of numerous pilots here and there says they don't cause sickness.. maybe it would be interesting to take the subject of eastlund's patent, and discuss it point by point with a rule of *no cross-threading* in it's own thread....and do the same with all the other implied uses/explanations for chemtrails.... would be nice to read something like that without having to weed through david's paranoid gutteral utterances... btw, deborah...taken from northwestern OK, ten feet off Oklahoma avenue with a $6.77 walmart special ! ...was you trying to make a point ?!?!?! 
(changed the above pic due to it's size and loading trouble, link to the old image below)
http://www.geocities.com/theseeker_0714b/ctwo.jpg
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T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-28-2002 12:49 AM
I'm curious, T/S... is there something noteworthy or otherwise out-of-the-ordinary in the picture you've posted? And if not, why are you burning film on it?What... you've never seen a street-light quite like that one? Eyesopen, we revisted the pilot sickness sydrome on the forum a while back... it'll take some digging on my part, and I believe the original link has vanished, but the short version is that the pilot's union was very much up in arms over this mysterious illness that was vexing aircrews. Any professed pilot who proffers the arguement that all is well because nobody spending any length of time in the air is getting sick is sadly misinformed or uniquely oblivious to the facts of the matter. In other words, how can a pilot be completely oblivious to a serious risk to their colleagues health (and the associated risk to passengers and crew) when even the pilots union is screaming bloody murder? Two possibilites present themselves, and neither is very comforting.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-28-2002 01:57 AM
I'm curious, T/S... is there something noteworthy or otherwise out-of-the-ordinary in the picture you've posted? And if not, why are you burning film on it?summer 99' a tinge of doubt still dwelled within me... drop by the site and check my pictures tell me if there are any chemtrails there...promise you won't have any *beta* trouble.... ------------------
T/S
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 07-28-2002 05:27 AM
"Eyesopen, we revisted the pilot sickness sydrome on the forum a while back... it'll take some digging on my part, and I believe the original link has vanished, but the short version is that the pilot's union was very much up in arms over this mysterious illness that was vexing aircrews. Any professed pilot who proffers the arguement that all is well because nobody spending any length of time in the air is getting sick is sadly misinformed or uniquely oblivious to the facts of the matter. In other words, how can a pilot be completely oblivious to a serious risk to their colleagues health (and the associated risk to passengers and crew) when even the pilots union is screaming bloody murder? Two possibilites present themselves, and neither is very comforting." Let me put it to you this way: I'm not sick, and unless the other pilots I've flown with in the past 6 years only get sick at home, and miraculously get well in time to go in to work, they haven't been getting sick either. It's funny that the chemtrail believers talk about this illness that causes respiratory problems and has even incapacitated and killed people (allegedly), but the many pilots I've worked with have never had any serious problems related to any "unknown" disease. Only one person can I say had a "mystery" illness...an American airlines pilot who also flew for the National Guard....he had dizzy spells and hot flashes, and the docs pretty much felt it was an auto-immune disorder. No respiratory problems...nothing like the "flu-like" symptoms. No, I can't speak for other pilots, but I can sure note my observations. And unless nearly every pilot I know can "make the symptoms go away" while working, they haven't been getting sick.
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 07-28-2002 05:30 AM
BTW, I don't belong to a pilot's union, and I don't receive their newsletter. But within the military, and the number of civilian pilots I do know, that's my honest assertion.
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WFETZER
New Member
Hopland, CA, Mendocino
15 posts, Jul 2002
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posted 07-29-2002 06:39 AM
If you haven't read the document "Weather as a Force Multiplier wning the Weather in 2025" I suggest you do. I have personally seen jets spewing plumes of white trails in x's and tic-tac-toe designs over the skies above my home here in Northern CA. They do not dissipate and eventually cover the entire sky. Many people around here have upper respiratory illnesses that cannot be diagnosed. On Feb. 27th, 2002 the government did an experiment over Lake Mendocino apparently trying to create clouds. They sprayed carbon black (dust) from jets. Many people witnessed this experiment. Now the level of carbon in the lake is too high and 75% or more of the trees are dead or dying around the lake. In fact many trees all over Lake, Mendocino and Sonoma Counties are sick, dead or dying. In addition you may want to do a search on Modtran. The government whose salaries we pay are involved in some secret areosol spraying over the United Nations and it won't be long before Bush and his dummies
have to come up with some explanation. (Like the government won't lie)
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 07-29-2002 08:44 AM
The Air Force 2025 document was written by people here at Maxwell AFB, Alabama. They do not develop weapons. This is not a scientific research facility. Everything here at Maxwell is academic. I've literally seen hundreds of various papers talking about future military strategies, etc. Great, and that would make sense because Maxwell is the place where students come to study military strategy, doctrine and help develop future doctrine. However, there are no research facilities here. Hey, here's a tip: go to any college in the US and read every term paper. I'm sure you'll read plenty of far out suggestions, and some that are not so far out. But just because it appeared in an academic research paper doesn't mean it's reality. I had a family member who was getting a master's in environmental science, and I helped her do some research. She wrote a lengthy thesis on a particular remediation technique for abandoned coal strip mines. She turned it in and got her master's. Because that lengthy paper exists, does that now mean that the state of Illinois has a "blueprint" to clean old strip mines? No. It was just a research paper.
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit
Flagstaff, AZ
700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-29-2002 04:34 PM
Re: Owning the Weather...:.....It was just a research paper.....
Yes, Chris - it was a research paper - along with a number of other very closely-related papers that were presented that summer of 1996 - in August, as I recall.
And it just so happens that a great deal of the weapons and communications technology we are seeing being tested/deployed today in certain theaters of conflict and elsewhere is **directly referenced** in these AF 2025 White Papers. The links to these documents have been posted dozens of times. But I'm sure you would have ready access to all the hard copy you need.
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 07-29-2002 07:38 PM
I'm sure it's over at the Air University Library, along with all the other Air Command & Staff College, Air War College and other school papers.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-29-2002 08:31 PM
To answer your question, T/S, what I see are (with one or two possible exceptions) photographs of artificial clouds created by jet aircraft dispensing hygroscopic aerosols small in enough in size to accumulate (but not relsease) moisture in our atmosphere that would otherwise undoubedtly bond with naturally ocurring aerosols, creating natural clouds, resulting in natural rainfall patterns.Given the USAF's stated interest in 'owning' the weather, the Navy's 'powder contrail' patents and irrefutable evidence that the unamarked planes creating these very troubling artificial aerosol clouds aren't commercial airliners piloted by box-cutter wielding Saudi's, I have a very hard time believing this is all some bizarre set of co-incidental circumstances. Ya' know... if ya come home and find a different brand of cigarette butts in the ashtray, it doesn't mean your partner is being unfaithful. If you come home and there's a dozen different brands littering your ashtrays, the sheets have just been changed and there's an unrolled contraceptive floating in the toilet... then I can guarantee you have a problem.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-30-2002 01:21 AM
To answer your question, T/S, what I see are (with one or two possible exceptions) photographs of artificial clouds created by jet aircraft dispensing hygroscopic aerosols small in enough in size to accumulate (but not relsease) moisture in our atmosphere that would otherwise undoubedtly bond with naturally ocurring aerosols, creating natural clouds, resulting in natural rainfall patterns.no shit...at my site...well...so you think the military is modifying the weather...a simple rainwater sample should answer your concerns...this insitu idea is really bogus, no big surprise though considering william thomas has been asking and asking for 20,000 to perform a insitu chemtrail test...when simple rainwater would do the trick...about 50.00 bucks at your local water resources department... what goes up must come down right ? and btw...what do you think of the last pic.... If you come home and there's a dozen different brands littering your ashtrays, the sheets have just been changed and there's an unrolled contraceptive floating in the toilet... then I can guarantee you have a problem. would hope that your not speakin' from personal experience...lol...
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T/S
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