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Topic: ELECTROLYSIS & BARIUM by Clifford E. Carnicom | Topic page views:
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Ellyn
Senior Member
1242 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-28-2002 08:23 PM
  
ELECTROLYSIS & BARIUM
Clifford E Carnicom
May 27 2002 http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm 
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-28-2002 11:36 PM
[Edited 3 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 06-06-2002]
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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
256 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-29-2002 12:45 AM
Mr. Kuntz, I have no idea who you are but apparently you must be breathing some really good air. You have no idea what is happening to the rest of us. You must be in a fly free, chem free zone. I'm glad there are such places left. You are fortunate.
My father is a retired Boeing physicist, you probably know him. He's seen the spraying, has pictures of particulate matter pouring out of these trails, and he's also been hospitalized because of it. Maybe you should go toe to toe with him. Try convincing a fellow Boeing elitist that nothing is going on. Hey, why don't you come vacation out in the Great Pacific Northwest this summer? Bring the grand kids. Do a little boating and sunbathing while you're here. Maybe you could give them a grandfatherly explanation of why the sun has black rings around it everyday, and why the jets are making checkerboards, and giant Xs in the sky. And while you're rubbing cortisone and lotions all over their itchy, burning skin, you can explain to them why the grey and white stuff billowing from these trails is absolutely harmless. Just vapor trails at high altitudes, right? You be sure to bring a lot of beer to cut the dust Mr. Kuntz and koolaid for the kids. Ahh..Washington, The Evergreen State. You be sure to look us up when you get here. One Boeing employee to another. Oh, did I mention we have a very prestigious childrens hospital here in Seattle?. You be sure to bring your insurance cards O.K? Just in case of emergencies.
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 10:06 AM
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 06-06-2002]
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IZAKOVIC
Senior Member
Rijeka, Croatia (Europe)
128 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 05-29-2002 11:46 AM
" ..You seem to believe that, by my post above, I see no problem with chemtrails. I am not attacking the concept of contrails per se; that is frowned upon in this forum. ..."Ehm..It is believed that chemrails in some cases could cause concentration problems. Or is it a manifestation of Reverse Speech (tm) backwards?
As this is not the first time, David Oates could find it most interesting. IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 12:02 PM
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IZAKOVIC
Senior Member
Rijeka, Croatia (Europe)
128 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 05-29-2002 12:18 PM
http://www.leadingedgenews.com/reverse.htm You see? IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 12:23 PM
.stpecnoc eseht fo emos ta wols rehtar ma I ;naiga ti nialpxe dluoc uoy spahreP .t’nod I oN
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noblegas
New Member
6 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-29-2002 03:55 PM
Kunz,
I have a friend who says no when you say yes, black when you say white, sand when you say sea. Are you the same type person that said, on 9/11, "Our government's great, bush knew nothing". As we can see with that, right wing, left wing, liberal, conservative are all agreeing with the "nuts" who thought this on 9/12. If you were alive in 1964, you probably would have agreed with The Gulf of Tonkin being the cue to go to Vietnam. Of course, our government made that all up and 50,000 Americans lost their lives because of a lie. I work with a fellow who said that chemtrails are there to protect us from global warming so we should welcome them. The U.S. government has done experiments on it's own people before. From the air, microwaves, radiation isn't bad (the 50's), poisons in food, Anthrax vaccine, Agent Orange, and others. You don't think they would do it again? YOU ARE A FOOL!
I believe you fear the prospect that "Daddy" Uncle Sam could do this to the people. Like the mother who believes her murderous son is a good boy. Or are you a Yahoo America All The Way, United We Have Rashes, or God Blush America kind of person? I don't know you, but it seems like even in the face of reality, you deny it.
Why don't you do some chemical analysis of the atmosphere after a spraying with your method? Will you find Barium, Aluminum, Magnesium, ad nauseum contained in said sample. Most debunkers deal with subjects that are vaporous at best. Ghosts, trances, UFO's, Mind-reading, After Death experiences, and Percognition. Some of this may be true. We should be open minded, investigative, and logical in our approach. Sometimes the answer to something may come from a farmer, sometimes from a Physicist. Ithink what is pissing you off is that you are being de-bunked from the people that are truly concerned with their own and loved ones health.
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 06:32 PM
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 06-06-2002]
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 05-29-2002 08:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Kunz:
.stpecnoc eseht fo emos ta wols rehtar ma I ;naiga ti nialpxe dluoc uoy spahreP .t’nod I oN
You had me worried for a minute Duncan. - LOL Reverse speech is an interesting concept and one that I am quite familiar with and also one that I have used once rather successfully. David John Oates Interviewed
By Kenneth and Dee Burke http://www.leadingedgenews.com/reverse.htm quote:
LE: David, exactly what is "reverse speech?" David: Essentially, I have discovered another form of human communication. I believe that I can validate and prove that the process of language is twofold. The human brain is constructing the sound of speech in such a fashion that it delivers two messages simultaneously. The first message is forward, and obviously that is how I am speaking to you now. The second message is in reverse, and mixed amongst the gibberish of normal reversed order, you can hear precise phrases as clear as I am speaking to you now. I term this "speech reversals." They are normally five or six words long, are grammatically correct, and relate directly to what is said forward. I believe speech reversals are a reflection of what the person is really thinking or feeling at the time of speaking.
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 08:12 PM
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 06-06-2002]
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 05-29-2002 08:21 PM
I've tried it and was rather surprised by the results. I had to go to a meeting once that a few of the ranking members of my fire company had with a few city officials and just happened to have a tape recorder with me to take notes. - One of the officials kept making comments about his wife and wanting to not be involved with the meeting and wanting to just go home when I played a few of his comments in reverse. - Less than a year later, he went looking for a better job so that he could spend more time with his wife. - The mayor had him working some rather late hours and he just got tired of it and had enough.
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US
176 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-29-2002 09:07 PM
All of this is besides the point. Is there anyone here who believes that carnicom's "research" is anything other than the total bullshit that it is?I agreee with Duncan. This guy worries me. Isn't this how cults get started? He reminds me of that guy in San Diego that thought the "mothership" was coming so he and all of his followers commited suicide. At the very least, I have no doubt that some of his paranoia is justified, He is starting to fit the looney/ domestic terrorist profile.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 09:21 PM
it's bullshit...I'm surprised he did not pull out the *afro~sheen*...lol..This guy worries me. Isn't this how cults get started? bonehead, he's been at this *weird science* 3 years....hardly a start...in fact his milk has even gotten sour with art bell...always liked art... ------------------
T/S
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 09:40 PM
"At the very least, I have no doubt that some of his paranoia is justified, He is starting to fit the looney/ domestic terrorist profile." That's a dangerous phrase these days bonehead, calling someone a 'domestic terrorist'. I can see right now that that is a phrase that is going to get stuffed down our throats. Anyone not agreeing with the government or their new nazi tactics will be labeled a 'domestic terrorist'. Just where do he advocate terrorisim? Would you post it here for all to see??
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US
176 posts, May 2002
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posted 05-29-2002 10:16 PM
David, have you ever read some of the stuff posted on that site by TOCARM, canyonman, breezy, Indeterminant warrior, and the rest? There is a lot of anger simmering over there. A few statements were made a while ago that were borderline threats of violence. I believe that particular thread was pulled, probably after it was brought to the attention of the EZBoard legal staff. Granted, I think that they are 99.9 % harmless, but it is that 0.1% that worries me. As Dan Rockwell pointed out in another thread, there are over 900 people registered to this forum alone. For 1000 people, 0.1 is one person. OK I pulled that 99.9 % number out of the air, but you get my point. What ever the "real" percentage is, it is only a matter of time before someone does somthing stupid that gets someone hurt or even killed. I actually hope that the FBI is keeping an eye on some of the looser nuts in that bunch.
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 05-29-2002 10:52 PM
Yes bonehead I do read the stuff over at cliffs. Yes there are some pretty outrageous statements being made, however there have been some made here also. Still I do not see cliff advocating violence or terrorisim, and that is what this post is about right?, right.
Calling someone a domestic terrorist for their views of the government is WRONG.
Personally I hate what is happening to our country and the government, the lies cheating,cover-ups,covert ops, chemtrails and all the rest, I think all of them should be taken out and thrashed till the cows come home, does that make me a domestic terrorist? No, it makes me a concerned citizen with the right to speak my mind anytime, anywhere to anyone. So does Cliff and his board members, as do we here.
We, the citizens, have the constitutional right to complain about, and even to dismantle the government, if we chose to do so if we are not satisfied with the current one. Domestic terrorists, I think not, concerned citizens excercising our rights to free speech, I think so. 
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IZAKOVIC
Senior Member
Rijeka, Croatia (Europe)
128 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 05-29-2002 11:47 PM
chemtrails <> contrailsReverse speech without the need of reversed playback. IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com
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