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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 12:33 AM
  
Now available for your downloading and viewing pleasure .....
This video was shot right here in the driveway. I'm no expert, so I put this to all. How friggin' low do you think this aircraft is? Filmed with a 1992 model 8mm Radio Shack special with 8x optical zoom. This aircraft, in my opinion, can't be more than 4,000 ft. from me. That includes laterally. Let the de-bunking begin as I'm near cashing in, to spend this summer trying to enjoy the outdoors as opposed to fearing it. As always, I apologize for the file size (7+ MB) but it's worth the look. I try to keep the clips short, but the action always warrants more. This one is longer than others and slightly degraded due to file size. Take a look for youself. You've seen them fly over and know at which altitudes you can make out what.
Right-click the link, save target as - to hard drive, view with Media Player @200%
Happy Trails http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/016.AVI
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-10-2002 09:36 AM
Phantom911, what zoom were you filming this with?I can't tell the altitude, but from the way this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video, it looks like most of the contrails that I observed and identified using Flight Explorer. Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, but the only suspicious trails that I ever saw during my research were the ones that just didn't want to disappate, and they seemed to always come from the jets that didn't show on FE.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 10:22 AM
Thermit,
The zoom is only 8x optical and was nearly fully zoomed. You said "this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video," It is? No Thermit, not so. Yes, when I panned fully to the left it appears that the trail is diminishing on that end. However that's the problem with the video. It isn't long enough. If I could put this particular day's worth of filming on the web I would. Go to my website and see the albums "A Trip To The Auto Parts Store" and "Meanwhile back at the House" , especially page 3 and after. http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/ct001.html
This was all the same afternoon. The trail in question remained for a long time as did all others that day and at altitudes lower than most I've seen. I'll put out a video of the trails from the parts store page to better show that day's dumping. NO, no Thermit, don't you try telling anyone this wasn't a
persistent trail. I'll gladly produce hours of persistent trail videos for anyone willing to cover the costs.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHANTOM911 on 05-10-2002]
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-10-2002 10:41 AM
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Yes, when I panned fully to the left it appears that the trail is diminishing on that end.
Well, how long did it last?
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 11:26 AM
Thermit,
Guess this needs still more explaining as I appear to not be able to get my point across. Yes the left end of the trail "appears" to be "diminishing". The sky at this time was so full of chem snot to the east and south that the trail in question is nearly obliterated by the whiteness from which it eminates at the left. Yes this was a persistent trail that upon expanding, added to the already present Chemical Chaos! This took somewhere between 1-1/2 to 2 hours. Go look at the stills from that day, the whole day, as I suggested. And I reiterate; Most all of the trails I've filmed are nowhere near the altitudes where CONtrails form. They're always lower!
You seem to be questioning my ability to observe the difference between persistent and non-persistent aircraft trail activity. Frankly, I'm insulted! For one, I wouldn't waste my time filming this shit if it wasn't persistent. Nor would I concern myself with this entire subject matter if I thought all of this to be normal aircraft activity. I'm starting to think maybe YOU have actually set up the best de-bunker site right under our noses! Chocked full of "believers" with just enough from the "other side" to discredit anything that might appear to get to the bottom of the issue. Sorry Thermit, but no de-bunker will convinve me I'm the one that's running a quart low. No my friend, I prefer the company of those on this site with a real concern for their health and lives and that of their loved ones, to the likes of those persona behind the de-bunking lines....
If you have a problem with me personally posting to this site, please let me know. One thing I've learned over the years is not to tread where not welcome.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-10-2002 12:38 PM
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You seem to be questioning...
It's nothing personal Phantom911, but questioning is actually a good thing. It's people who don't question that are most likely to miss what's going on in front of their eyes, for example with Chemtrails. If people don't question how are they to get to the truth? I don't understand why you are getting "insulted" by me asking a simple non-confrontational question.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 01:25 PM
Thermit,
Sorry to be so defensive of my work lately, it's just I got a dose of the "Look man, ain't nothin' really goin' on up there dude" blues from those who continue to wander their lives through, oblivious to the very sky above them. What a fuc%ing waste of humanity. When all this is really said and done won't be shit left to matter anyhow.
And don't take it from me by no means, it's in the back of the BOOK.
As for questioning, I felt that's what I was doing here in the first place. I'm sure now I'll never stop, I just might have to find the proper forum, if this is truly not it. I thought it to be so. In you own words "maybe I'm mistaken," but I hoped not.
Now, getting back to the video, I want opinions on what people think the altitude of this aircraft might be, given the lateral distance away and the visibility of the aircraft, its size, etc. Hell, my position ain't all that much lower than the aircraft's. This thing was flying along on my horizon above the neighbor's fenceline. I realize a grainy mpg, avi, whatever, doesn't get the true picture out, but without better equipment and editing programs and time, it's all I have for now. If I could, I'd send everyone who would ask a copy of this and much more on VHS, which when viewed on a TV shows the whole story, I would, but my personal funds don't permit this. Maybe you'd like a copy of some of the numerous hours of long lasting persistent trails I've video'd. I think I'll set them all to Pink Floyd and Roger Waters music and distribute them to the masses. Hell, it could be the first "Chain(ed) mail" Chemtrail Video for the not so shy. Kind of a Chemtrail Video Pyramid scheme where everybody gets fuc%ed and no one just makes a BUCK! I copy it to you, you copy it out to two friends, and so on. That's the way it should be! Dare I try?
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 01:51 PM
Weird....I just posted the above to Thermit and on comes Pink Floyd's TIME via the radio! We-ooo-we-ooo!
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 02:12 PM
Phantom, I haven't had a chance to see your latest video, because of my P.O.S. pentium 166, but I'll have Krissa download it on her's so I can view it. Sometimes, we do see very persistant trails here, however,depending on the conditions, they aren't always so and have a tendency to dissipate rather quickly. On the days when the conditions aren't exactly right, the flyovers tend to be less frequent, like one per hour, and sometimes we don't realize that we've been sprayed until the conditions begin to change and the haze begins to thicken. However, when the conditions begin to improve and the trails become more persistant, within a very short time, the rest of them come out of the woodwork and within a very short time, the sky is filled with trails. - These jets are spraying at full power, leaving big wide trails, but they're just not always persistant. And as one of the members of my team once said, "just because the trails don't always persist, it doesnt mean that the chemicals aren't up there." Today I saw 2 of these jets and the trails coming out of them were huge and they were traveling in the same direction that our regular sprayers do, but the conditions just weren't right for them to be persistant.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-10-2002 03:56 PM
Thermit,
And I quote
____________________________________________"I can't tell the altitude, but from the way this trail is appearing to quickly fade away (in less than a minute) in the video, it looks like most of the contrails that I observed and identified using Flight Explorer. Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, but the only suspicious trails that I ever saw during my research were the ones that just didn't want to disappate, and they seemed to always come from the jets that didn't show on FE."
_____________________________________________ am I to understand, that as far as you're concerned, even with the added information from me, this video depicts nothing abnormal, only contrail formation from an aircraft?
This is a test and grades will be given. (Ha-Ha)
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KrissaTMC2
Never Surrender!
Greenwich, CT, USA
472 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 05-10-2002 06:03 PM
Well, I did manage to download your video Phantom. Good work! - This is exactly what Dan was talking about and what we've both been seeing here. Sometimes there's a delayed reaction and the chems don't become apparent until a while after the trails have supposedly dissipated. Sometimes I'll look up and the sky will be almost clear, then something will change in the conditions and the haze will suddenly thicken. And usually when it thickens and the trails become totally persistant, then they start chemming us like crazy. I think that they send up a single jet, or sometimes two, to check the conditions and once they find a place where the trail no longer dissipates, then they scramble the rest of them.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 05-12-2002 04:39 PM
Phantom911,There's nothing wrong with debunking. Debunking just means to examine the evidence and toss out that which is false. This is an excellent thing, because it has been observed by me that there are those that purposely make false claims regarding Chemtrails in an attempt to discredit the issue and sometimes people mistakenly make incorrect claims. This does more to discredit our cause than the Chemtrail skeptics' counter-claims in my opinion. I've seen people incorrectly call contrails Chemtrails, and I don't like that. I would hope that you wouldn't either. I stand by my opinion that this appears to be a regular contrail. It looks that way to me, however I wasn't there, the video is fuzzy and didn't see it with my own eyes, so I'll have to take your word that this trail persisted for hours. However, I must also examine your claim of 4000 ft. or less for this plane. One thing I learned from my months of research with Flight Explorer is that altitude tends to be grossly underestimated when people aren't acustomed to doing so. With FE you get altitudes, so you can learn to judge more accurately with practice. Planes fly over Houston at 4000 ft. sometimes it looks something like this... 
That is with no zoom at all. Your video was zoomed by 8, and although it isn't directly above, you should be able to see much more detail if it was truely that low. If you multiply your altitude estimate of 4000 ft. by your zoom factor, you get 32,000 ft. Now that may not mean anything, but I think that this plane is probably at least over 26,000 ft.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-12-2002 10:07 PM
Okay Thermit, or whoever you are, you're out of your tree!
If you think that the aircraft in question is anywhere near 26,000 feet you have got to be a total ass! If this aircraft is some 4+ miles away from my camera, there's no way you would see this jet at all. Get fucking real or put an end to your obvious bullshitting! Maybe what I read elsewhere about you not really wanting the truth is for real. And what about the rest of you at this site? You have no opinion on this video? Do you think Thermit is correct in his assessment that this aircraft is some 4+ miles from my vantage point? Speak up damnit!
There has been over 130 views of this thread. Have any of those bothered to view the video? Why does no one have shit to say other than Thermit? You all want the truth, you get it given to you, and you walk away from it after somone else tells you what it is. See for yourself! I ain't filming no aircraft at several thousand feet with the piece of shit camera I got! These are fucking low flying chem spreading planes that you claim you too have seen. Let's shit or get off the pot!
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!
Stamford, CT, USA
1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 12:19 AM
Thanks to Krissa, I finally got to see your latest video Phantom and have videotaped a number of flyovers very similar to the one you captured with your camera. I even taped chem-jets flying over my house for an hour making trails while jets flying at higher and lower altitudes weren't making any trails at all one night. I've been watching these jets for quite a while now and I think that they're flying lower than 30,000 feet too. I think that they have a tendancy to fly at different altitudes depending on the conditions and might just fly higher where Thermit is. BTW, I've got a Panisonic VHS-C 1992 vintage camcorder with an 8X zoom like yours.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 05-13-2002 07:34 AM
Watch the language PHANTOM911. Surely you can make your point without the vulgarity???!!!
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penumbra
quarky
North Carolina
668 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 07:42 AM
I can't view your vidoe Phantom  Is there any way to put up some stills from it? I might not be the only one who can't see it?
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 08:25 AM
Penumbra,
Go to my homepage for "CON"trails?......"CHEM"trails?...... http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/ct001.html
The links for the "Black Headlights" video and the "How Low Can They Go?" video are there. RIGHT-click the link, select save target as... to your desktop. This will download the file as opposed to trying to play it over the net. Once the file is downloaded, open your Windows Media Player and drop the file in for play. If others are having problems there not letting it be known. I don't think anyone wants to comment on this video as even our resident host has made the effort to discredit my judgement. They probably don't want to fall into the same trap.
Lulu,
Excuse the language, but it was called for as directed at Thermit. Read this entire thread. He's making a hell of a case for the de-bunking of this entire site! Sorry you found it offensive but then again it was not directed at you. I've gotten pretty fed up with the crap that goes on in reference to the "Persistent Trail Issue" and I'm sure it shows. What do you think of the photo Thermit has placed above? Does that look like 4000 feet of altitude to you? What of the video in question? What altitude would you say the aircraft is at?
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penumbra
quarky
North Carolina
668 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 08:58 AM
I Love my Mac! Quicktime is what I have, it won't play it I'll try to figure something else out later.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 09:19 AM
Hey Penumbra,
Try this it worked for me. Open your Quick time player. Click on edit, Preferences, Quick time preferences. Click the scroll down menu and select File type associations. Be sure there's a check mark in the Windows file types. (AVI,BMP,..) Close Quick time settings. You may be prompted to download Indeo Video 5 or such. Do this. It takes mere seconds. Then view the file. This is provided of course that you've downloaded the file to your hard drive. Let me know what happens.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-13-2002 09:28 AM
Thermit, Just want to point out a mistake on my part in informing you, and whoever is reading along, about the zoom factor of this video. Turns out I was wrong about being near fully zoomed at 8x. Note at the end of the video, as the aircraft is behind the trees about to complete the X from a previous trail, that's when I zoom in fully,
highlighting the fact that an X is being completed. Sorry if this tilts your altitude estimate slightly. Me, I'm sticking with mine as this aircraft is farther from me laterally than it is high. And I can see the thing! I sure couldn't see it at 26,000 feet with these old peepers! But hey, ain't opinions like a-holes? We all got one. Well except for the aliens among us who excrete their wastes through the skin. Stinky fellas if you ask me.
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KnewEyes
watcher
under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-14-2002 06:58 AM
Phantom, I haven't seen your video, and I won't if I have to download it directly into my puter. That just the way I am,,, especially when told repeatedly to do so, with instuctions on how.
Call me paranoid, but I don't "do that".
If it would have worked on my media player, I would have seen it by now,, but it didn't.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-14-2002 08:34 AM
KnewEyes,
Good morning. No Problemo on the video. Sorry you can't view it.
Your quote "especially when told repeatedly to do so, with instuctions on how." does imply a little paranoia on your part but I understand fully. I personally will not even open an e-mail with attachment unless I know the source and am aware it's on the way.
The repeated instructions however were a sincere effort to aid you in viewing this aircraft spraying. Nothing more. Please ask anyone who's downloaded it if they've had problems with the file. I think you'll find I'm not on the net to spread anything other than my opinions and observations. Keep in mind these files are located at my own site dedicated to showing those who want to know what I see in the skies above.
Maybe you can get someone to show you this on their machine.
Did you get to view any of the three videos at all? Just curious and didn't want to read back through all the stuff here.
Again, sorry if my knowledge of puters gave the appearance I'm a threat to your puter or something. This not be the case with me. Hey, I'm an alright guy if ya can put up with my tyrates now and again. I feel a poem coming on. Gotta go.  PEACE
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KnewEyes
watcher
under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 05-14-2002 12:35 PM
I understand your eagerness to have your film viewed Phantom, and yes, I am a bit paraniod in that aspect, since one of my "friends" did me the big favor of making my very first computer a network to his computer, all under the guise of "programing" a computer he "just couldn't believe wasn't programed correctly when it was sent to me". Meanwhile I cooked him swordfish, called him "The Man" and was grateful he wasn't charging me for all the hours of "help" he was giving my computer. Turns out the SOB had been doing it for years to all his friends thinking he was so slick, but it took me just 3 months of being on a puter to bust him, sooooo,,,, yeah, I tend to view ANYTHING as suspicious after that episode. This guy was 10 years my junior and wasn't even attracted to women (to put it nicely), so the whole thing was just plain weird.
Yep, I tend to choose the hard way to learn, things to be learned... LOL but I do learn them well 
Nope , I don't download too much, but I would like to see that film! Maybe a shorter version will play easier through the media player?
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-14-2002 01:38 PM
Good afternoon KnewEyes,
Well, apparently you're not missing out on much, and I'll get to that in a moment.
Wow, wierd story indeed. Hope you realize I love the ladies and don't play games with puters! I am dependent on them as one can be for livelihood. Not a game player at all cause I'm a sore loser and usually do!
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You asked "Maybe a shorter version will play easier through the media player?"
Let me explain the method to my madness and
maybe this will save everyone some grief.
I'm not sure what media player you have, but I'm assuming you're Left-clicking on the file and trying to have a media player run this file from it's current location and due to file size, player buffering speed, etc. , it ain't worth a crap. This is my fault entirely, but it is the exact problem with trying to get these videos out at all in a length enough and quality enough so as to not make easy fodder for the de-bunking masses. If you've ever been to my website and hung in there long enough to view a day's worth of stills, then you realize the volume of video I have amassed in any single day. To try and put an hours video into any format for the web is just not practical.
This has been the scenario for me thus far; I'd film a day's worth of heavy chemtrailing right over my house. It's a couple hours of solid aircraft spraying tape. I'd transfer it from 8mm to VHS for use in VCR with good still and slow motion functions. I'd create the stills from this and publish the work to my website. The file sizes were small and the website free.
Having the desire to put some videos out on the net, I upgraded my computer equipment, began paying for my web hosting so as to accommodate the larger file sizes, and got to work. Having the footage of the jet that turned it's spray on and off was the first one I wanted to get out. This I did, hurriedly, and the rest is history. Hardly anyone here at CTC has expressed an opinion on that one but the debunker's ate it up. Well I got news for anyone willing to download even larger files, I'll produce that same video with the full visual length of what I filmed of that particular jet. They wouldn't be dissappointed.
The videos I've put on my website are indeed poor as whenever you compress the files via different video codecs, there is some degredation. They're also short for the fact that people aren't even willing to let a file download due to size or whatever reason and my work seems to be for naught. (This is why some individuals have produced VHS videos for sale on the subject)
I've watched the traffic to my site and know the hits are not, as it stands, sufficient to warrant my paying for it. To not have the support of those here that are in this for the truth and to feed myself to the shark infested waters of De-bunkingdom just ain't my cup 'o tea.
Soon I'm going to delete the larger files on my website and go back to the "free" hosted status I originally had. Thus no more videos at my expense.
However, just maybe, when I finish a tranny job on my car in the next couple of days, I'll give it one more shot. I'll compress to the best of my abilities the video described above and see what transpires.
As I stated at the beginning of this too long post, apparently you're not missing out on much. Just so you know, you CAN download any file to your desktop (without causing any problems) and check it with your virus scanning software if you think it might be harnful, before playing it in your media player. Whew! I'm done now. Thanks for your patience with me. PEACE
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