posted 08-11-2002 11:53 AM            

Yeah, we get it daily in the D/FW area. By sunset there's ALWAYS a very visible pattern in the sky. Yesterday we had a clear cross-hatch pattern across the sky.

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re>but these trails were very different. Four planes flew in formation leaving four distinct trails side by side that plummed out into a freaking highway in the sky.
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We get this often as well. In fact thats the usual pattern. Side by side trails across the entire sky. And here and there you can often see some cross-hatch. We get it NIGHTLY.
But they're getting better about hiding their planes. Rarely see 'em any more. Usually just see the patterns dropping down from way up there. And it seems like all the commercial air traffic have been ordered to fly below the chemmers. Huge jets and small craft alike are sharing air space WAY lower than usual. We have jets flying over the suburbs, way out from the airport, at what appears to be ony 2 or 3 thousand feet off the ground.

Why. So the Fkn A$$holes can poison us from above with their little frickin mil toys!!!

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>This immediately set me to wondering if we are getting more of haarp now. found it also interesting that now Russia is complaing about haarp.
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This must be the article you're referring to: http://www.rense.com/general28/deathray.htm

Indeed, a very interesting up date on HAARP.

posted 08-11-2002 09:49 PM            

The Dallas/Ft. Worth area happens to be directly under a very busy air corridor.

"Four planes flew in formation leaving four distinct trails side by side that plummed out into a freaking highway in the sky"

Not uncommon along some of the busier routes. Often jets are "stacked" in 1,000 to 2,000 foot intervals along the same route. If lateral seperation can't be assured, then the air traffic controllers will vector the traffic to parallel each other along a route.

"And it seems like all the commercial air traffic have been ordered to fly below the chemmers."

That's not true. I've flown over the DFW area several times in the past few weeks, and each time we were well over 30,000 feet, and the traffic up there was normal, with lots of airliners from the various airlines.

"Huge jets and small craft alike are sharing air space WAY lower than usual"

What you are observing is the airspace structure. There are airplanes of all sizes flying at nearly every altitude, all the time. The high altitude aircraft (above 30,000) are enroute to destinations seperated by some distance. Aircraft flying in the 20,000 range are either flying between destinations that are closer together, or are being "stepped down" during an enroute descent to their destination. Aircraft begin their descent roughly 3 times their altitude, so a jet cruising at 35,000 feet would start its descent around 120 miles out or so.

Aircraft flying below 18000 feet are either VFR (visual flight rules, and not being controlled by air traffic controllers) or IFR terminal traffic. Terminal traffic is the traffic being vectored to final approach for landing. So airplanes, big and small, inhabit nearly every altitude from the ground to about 45,000 feet. At 45,000 feet, most airliners and business jets can't operate much higher than that.

"We have jets flying over the suburbs, way out from the airport, at what appears to be ony 2 or 3 thousand feet off the ground."

I'm pretty familiar with the DFW area. I fly there alot. I've flown into DFW itself, as well as NAS Ft. Worth and Dallas/Love field. Often landing traffic is "sequenced", and the busier the traffic, the longer the lines to land. Sometimes these traffic sequences extend well away from the airport.

On one occassion, heading to DFW, I distinctly remember flying very low over my uncle's neighborhood in DeSoto, while being vectored for final at DFW.

Flying into Love Field two weeks ago, we were flying about 3000 feet over the towns of Plano and Carrolton, and flew over the northern portion of Lake Hubbard. To be honest with you, as pilots, we get a bit upset at a controller if they don't descend us to within 2-3,000 feet of the ground by 20 miles out. Any closer than that and we're flying like a dive bomber to make the runway, with the power in idle and the spoilers extended. The passengers don't really like that because it's pretty "exciting".

"...with their little frickin mil toys!!!"

The perception out there is that we, as military pilots, get to "play" with the equipment that the taxpayers buy. "Play" is certainly not the word I'd use to describe my job. It's hard work, and you really have to be careful not to break the airplane or break some regulation, whether it be an FAA reg or some command regulation. We've got regulations that cover everything from how low we can fly, how fast we can go, to even minimum lengths and widths of runways and taxiways. There's even a reg out there that says we can't place charts and maps on the glareshield (airplane equivelant of a car's dashboard)!

It's very structured, and very managed. Straying from the norm is a recipe to either bust up the airplane and get hurt or killed, or get violated by the FAA (breaking one of their regs will result in your license being revoked), or getting into trouble with the chain-of-command, which could result in Article 15 hearings and Letters of Reprimand, along with losing your wings.

"The military/industrial fascists are out of control!!!!"

posted 08-13-2002 02:32 PM            

With all due respect to your aviation and flight experience, bottom line is this: There has been a very obvious and noteable increase in larger aircraft flying much lower and more often than they had been less than a year ago. Simply fact. I live here, I've watched the increase in much lower flying aircraft as it has happened. This said, the only persons who could authorize such a change in pattern would be the FAA, and flight control towers. Whether the cause for this change in policy of flight patterns has to do with new FAA regs, national security, or avioding Mil Ops at higher levels (or other), is not yet clear. However, the fact remains, "there has been very obvious and noteable increase in larger aircraft flying much lower and more often in the D/FW area".

In regards to your Mil services, I very much respect anyone who "truly" wishes to defend their own land and their own people. But please bear this in mind. Just because one serves in the military does not necessarily imply they are there to defend their peoples and country. Although Offficers and enlisted personnel are required to follow orders without querstions, they must remember that they have sworn to much higher oath, and that is to defend against all enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC. They are sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

So let me say this, since you are so actively involved in this forum. Those mil personnel, who are actively hiding and partaking in mil actions which might directly and gravely threaten the population of their own citizens are in fact guilty of no less than treason. If sir, you are actively hiding mil ops that threathen your fellows citizens well being, you may be serving your military, but you are NOT serving your people or defending your country. You are partaking in its destruction.

I understand the complexity of avaiation systems, the need for stringent guidelines, procedures, etc, etc. That's all fine and well and I applaud such rigerous checks and balances. As I do applaud those who serve to defend their citizens and country. However, EVEN if required to follow direct orders, you particpate in the active and intentional dumping of metals, chemicals, and other toxic elements opun your fellow citizens you are complicit in treasonous acts. AND if you serve as a dis-information agent to hide the truth from your people, you are not serving them, you are serving someone else. Who might that be?

re>Fascists indeed! Typical anti-military rhetoric.
>Your propaganda has us teaching our kids to goose-step through the house! >Silly, if it weren't so insulting.

posted 08-13-2002 04:17 PM            

What say ye Pacer, doth thee have in thine debunking artillery some ponderous rebuttal to the charges set afore ye?

The true patriots of this country await your "America, Love It Or Leave It" response.

posted 08-13-2002 10:21 PM            

Several things to consider. First, when did you become attuned to the chemtrail theory? Did the chemtrail theory cause you to suddenly become more interested in what's over your head?

Second, depending on traffic levels and changes in letters of agreement, traffic routings can change. Departing Andrews AFB used to be fairly simple, and we'd takeoff, make a turn away from the Capitol, and climb towards the HAFNR intersection. Since 9/11 and the concerns to keep aircraft further away from major metro areas, we're now being given much more complicated departures, and we're being kept low alot longer.

It could be very conceivable that the Dallas/Ft Worth area traffic has rerouted traffic to keep it away from the skylines, or the area airports (Meacham, Love, DFW, NAS Ft Worth, etc) reworked their letters of agreement on where who's traffic would go for sequencing into and out of the respective airports. I've seen examples of both scenarios changing the "normal" routing in and out of various airports around the country.

"This said, the only persons who could authorize such a change in pattern would be the FAA, and flight control towers"

The FAA does review and authorize general federal airways, such as the low-altitude routes (called Victor airways) and the jet routes, as well as Standard Terminal Arrival Routes (called STARs) and Standard Instrument Departures (called SIDs).

Just a technicality, control towers only control the airspace in the immediate vicinity of an airport. For Class B airfields (such as DFW), that airspace extends up to 7,000 feet and out to 10-20 miles, depending on the airport. For Class C airports, the tower controls airspace out to 10 miles and up to 4,000 feet. For Class D airports, it controls airspace out to 5 miles and up to 2,500 feet.

Outside that airspace, up to about 10,000 to 18,000 feet, exists the departure/approach control. Some areas only have one controller for the whole section. Others, like DFW, divide the airspace up into "sectors". These controllers guide, or vector, the aircraft to the final approach for the respective destination airfields.

Above the departure/approach controller is the center controller, who manages all enroute traffic. There are several centers throughout the United States (Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Ft. Worth, Albuquerque, Los Angeles, Denver, Minneapolis, Seattle, Chicago, Cleveland, Memphis, Miami and Salt Lake). Each of these are responsible for a certain portion of the country, and are further broken down into sectors within each center.

"Just because one serves in the military does not necessarily imply they are there to defend their peoples and country"

Well, I'm certainly not doing this for the money, nor am I doing it for power. It's easier to gain both in the civilian sector.

"Although Offficers and enlisted personnel are required to follow orders without querstions, they must remember that they have sworn to much higher oath, and that is to defend against all enemies, foriegn AND DOMESTIC. They are sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution."

You are correct in that we do swear to an oath to defend the Constitution. I think that the vast majority of us in uniform are well aware of that, and hold that near and dear to our hearts.

However, we are not required to follow all orders without question. Certain orders are obvious...such as come to work on time, don't speed on base, wear your seatbelt, etc. But to spray your fellow citizens is not an order many would blindly obey...it would be questioned.

"If sir, you are actively hiding mil ops that threathen your fellows citizens well being, you may be serving your military, but you are NOT serving your people or defending your country."

I am in no way hiding harmful military operations. I would not hide an obviously harmful operation such as a spray program. I do, however, find numerous holes in the chemtrail theory, and I have not witnessed anything in all my experience of flying for the military that would cause me to conclude that a massive spray program was indeed in operation.

"However, EVEN if required to follow direct orders, you particpate in the active and intentional dumping of metals, chemicals, and other toxic elements opun your fellow citizens you are complicit in treasonous acts. AND if you serve as a dis-information agent to hide the truth from your people, you are not serving them, you are serving someone else. Who might that be?"

Again, there have been no orders to dump anything on the populace below. And I am not a "dis-information agent". What I post on this board is of my own opinion and observations, just as your posts are of your own as well. It wouldn't make sense for me to say that you are here on your employer's dime trying to parrot chemtrails, so don't do the same thing to me. I simply disagree with the chemtrail theory. Labeling those who disagree as "one of them" or part of the plot only reinforces the stereotype that you are simply paranoid, thus discrediting your arguement.

"I served to DEFEND my country and fellow citizens"

I'm sure you did.

"And I am here at this forum to continue to do so."

If you really want to defend people, then be fair to the "other side" and do some real research instead of reading cut-and-paste internet articles and poor-quality photos of contrails. Go visit an air traffic control facility...they can give tours. Go talk to pilots on pilot forums such as the one at flightinfo.com. Go visit and arrange a tour of an Air Force facility...talk to the pilots, learn how things REALLY operate instead of taking the word of some guy over the internet, who probably never put a uniform on in his entire life.

"It seems your motives are just the opposite"

Just because I disagree with the chemtrail theory means my motives are shady? Sheesh, so much for differing opinions. My motives, in regards to my military service, is to serve my country and the Constitution. Spraying the people below certainly isn't fullfilling that goal.

It's easy for you to grasp at my "motives" for being here...is it so hard to understand that perhaps I disagree, and can find a few minutes here and there to post replies?

"Our skys were drenched with trails when I went to lunch today. Obvious as can be, way below 30, 000, feet."

How did you know they were "way below 30,000 feet"? Just guessing, or did you have a tried-and-true method of determining contrail altitude? Why is it that in 6 years of flying all over the country, I've NEVER seen a contrail "way below 30,000 feet"? Or is it just coincidence that I happen to miss all the action all those years?

"This is the work not of people who wish to defend themselves, but those who wish to offend others. Your fellow citizens are NOT military lab rats."

Keep one thing in mind. The pilots cannot take their families into the airplanes. They do not live underground. They do not live in shielded homes. They live in the very same communities as you do. I live in a subdivision in the town of Millbrook Alabama. Most of my neighbors are civilians. If I view them as "lab rats", then my very own house would be right smack in the middle of the rat cage. The same thing for every other military pilot, regardless of whether they are married or own a house. They all have mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins, etc. They'd be spraying them too. Think about it. We aren't some band of roving mercenaries with no ties to the community. You, being a vet, should know better.

"The people reponsible for this are not defending thier country. They are facist war mongers who dont give a damn about the people below."

Again, the "people below" would include their friends and families. Unless you are suggesting that we don't mind killing our own families, you're wrong.

"SO now I ask you, being in the military and all, which side are you on? Are you complicit in these efforts, or are you serving to defend your country? Are you not only hiding the truth from citizens, but also serving as a disinfo agent. OR are you truly that gullible as to deny what is right before our eyes"

Here's my take: I fly among contrails all the time. I see the traffic up there at close range. I can see who's going where by using TCAS (a much more accurate, real-time on-board version of Flight Explorer, really). I can hear all the radio conversations on the frequency. Most importantly, I can see who's leaving the big fluffy contrails that last and turn into cirrus clouds, and I know exactly what altitude they form at because I fly right through them or right by them all the time.

I've never seen a contrail below the upper 20,000 foot range. I've never heard controllers routing people away from military exercises. I've never seen "formations" of jets spraying chemicals. Most of the long-lasting contrails that you would term "chemtrails" were left by commercial and private civilian aircraft. They form Xs and all sorts of patterns, but they were left by benign airplanes. I've never seen an aircraft pass me up, then turn around as many chemtrail believers have "witnessed"...and by the way, all the Boeing products can easily pass up a Learjet...they fly around mach .85 and we fly around .75.

Bottom line...I have seen things exactly like the photos on Chemtrail Central and dozens of other chemtrail sites. And it looks EXACTLY like the daily traffic I see all across the country. No spooky formations of military tankers. No air traffic controllers ordering us lower for a military exercise. And none of the literally hundreds of pilots I know personally have gotten sick from this "chemspray", despite having flown through it many many times. My Learjet does not have a HEPA filter like the airliners. We get ambient air directly from the atmosphere via the bleed air valves on the engines. And I've never gotten sick, never had a rash, never had "flu-like" symptoms except when I've had the flu, and never experienced any respiratory problems. And none of my friends have either. And here it is folks....in six years of flying, I've NEVER seen anything remotely suspicious.

"The true patriots of this country await your "America, Love It Or Leave It" response."

Phantom, I've never espoused the position of "love it or leave it". Our government has problems. It certainly doesn't have a clean past. I'm not going to blindly turn the other way. If chemtrails were real, I'd be on your side. That being so, I still haven't seen any REAL evidence of a "spray" program.

posted 08-14-2002 08:49 AM            

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If you really want to defend people, then be fair to the "other side" and do some real research instead of reading cut-and-paste internet articles and poor-quality photos of contrails. Go visit an air traffic control facility...they can give tours. Go talk to pilots on pilot forums such as the one at flightinfo.com. Go visit and arrange a tour of an Air Force facility...talk to the pilots, learn how things REALLY operate instead of taking the word of some guy over the internet, who probably never put a uniform on in his entire life.

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posted 08-14-2002 06:54 PM            

Everyone who knows of this 'Special Mission' has been told that nothing harmful is being sprayed. An experiment per se' from the temperature flux after the 9/11 grounding. Or perhaps you've been told that it stays in the troposphere and does not fall to earth as the Puget Sound Clean Air Agency told me last May. Perhaps you've been told that the content is no more harmful than a volcanoes eruption spewing these metals into the atmosphere and dissapating over a vast area. Whichever...you've been told it is not harmful. You've been told this experiment is for the good of all mankind, to improve national defense. You proudly wear that uniform and follow orders thinking you're doing the country a great service. You're making a difference. People will thank you in the end. Those ideals are commendable as we all wish to make the world a better place to live.

posted 08-15-2002 08:26 AM            

There may very well have been a special operations mission going on, but keep in mind that there actually is a "special division" of the Air Force called AFSOC, or Air Force Special Operations Command. They fly a fleet of modified C-130 cargo planes and MH-53 helicopters.

Then there's also the SOLL-II program, which involves some airplanes at McChord. SOLL stands for Special Operations Low-Level, and it's basically a program that allows C-141 and C-17 crews to fly very low and airdrop special operations troops.

Then there are a myriad of other aircraft that perform special missions that may require ATC assistance, such as the RC-135 or the E-3.

In any case, there is no proof either way that the "special division" was spraying chemicals. That's purely speculation on your part. It could be dozens of other missions they were performing.

And if the chemical composition of the fuel isn't what normal jet fuel, then everyone's out there spraying it up, including the civilian pilots. Look, if you want to know what's in the jet fuel, then go buy some Jet A-1...it's the same thing as JP-8.

I also posted a while back how fruitless it would be to place chemicals into jet fuel, because a jet engine is just like a mini-incinerator...whatever is in the fuel won't come out on the other side...it will be broken down into different molecules. The guidelines for an EPA incinerator read just like a jet engine...the material must be atomized, which the fuel is in a jet engine. Its temperature must be around 800 degrees C, which it is in a jet engine...I mean, no one with a background in chemistry would think that sending chemicals through an engine would be a great idea.

A/T:

"I get all the proof I need by stepping outside and looking up"

What a great way to conduct an investigation! Maybe the courts can do it that way...I can hear it now, the jury saying "we didn't have to listen to any of the real evidence, I mean, we got all the proof we needed by just looking at the guy...I mean he LOOKS like someone who could do that...so obviously he was guilty".

posted 08-15-2002 01:04 PM            

As far as the fascist statements of White Skyz, just look at where the Bush family got it's fortune, trading with Nazis. Operation Paperclip, http://www.mt.net/~watcher/nwonazi.html
brought the 3rd Reich's brightest and slimiest in the USA, put them in positions of power, and this virus grew, first with the Communist/Jewish Witch Hunts of the 40's and 50's. Headed by Nazi sympathizer Joe McCarthy.

posted 08-15-2002 02:26 PM            

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posted 08-15-2002 02:31 PM            

Now that's a good cartoon.

p.s. Welcome Swamp Gas. I completely agree with your statements and appreciate your honesty.

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posted 08-15-2002 03:34 PM            

I'm not attempting to say the US Government is always nice and behaves itself. I am saying that I don't see any evidence of a chemtrail plot. Sure, the higher-ups could plan such a thing...but they'd need pilots, ground crew and mechanics to carry it out. And that is where I draw my line...those very people would have a hard time justifying why any of us (the pilots, et al) should engage in such an operation.

The nuclear/radiation tests, etc, where relatively localized. Flying a fleet of aircraft to spray the population in the scale being proposed on many chemtrail sites would require many aircraft, and thousands of personnel.

Anyhow, the whole precedent thing still isn't proof. Precedence may help you convict, but ultimately real evidence is what clinches it. For example...you can't simply try and convict a person for murder just because that person committed a violent crime in the past...there has to be direct and clear evidence suggesting that the person did in fact commit the murder they are on trial for.

I agree...there have been a number of things that the government has done in the past...and it shows when the Air Force started making anthrax vaccinations mandatory...many airmen refused, quit or got kicked out for not taking it. They didn't want to be part of an "experiment".

posted 08-15-2002 04:09 PM            

Sort of like, Saddam Hussein?

"I'm very confident that if there was a "spray operation" going on, there would be a similar outcry from the thousands of airmen that would be required to crew, fix and service the aircraft."

Providing of course everyone knew that the substances sprayed had detrimental effects. Do Monsanto and/or Searle employees packingand manufacturing Nutrisweet/Aspartame know the long-term brain-numbing effects?

posted 08-15-2002 07:51 PM            

And as far as me being "out of the loop", think on this bit of logic for a moment:

If they've made it to where a 1,000 hour pilot wouldn't notice while flying at 35,000 feet all over the nation, operating out of a host of air bases, and listening to air traffic control frequencies, then what makes you "more in the loop" just sitting on the ground on your front porch? Does watching from 6-7 miles or more on the ground suddenly give you the ability to see "secret" operations, that people who are right up there in the action would miss? Not likely.

And it's not just me that doesn't see this "spray operation". Every pilot I know has either laughed at the notion, or just shook their head and dismissed it. They are all kept in the dark by the government, and the government has managed to hide all the evidence from them, even though they work daily among all the other aircraft up there.

posted 08-16-2002 11:36 AM            

"Yet YOU, with no connections to flying, the military, and observing this on the ground miles away from the aircraft, notice what all the pilots fail to notice. Right."

As I stated before, I have worked with Audio and Video, both from a technical and creative standpoint for 35 years. I have consulted "no-nothings" about what I work on. They see things that I don't see because sometimes being in the middle of something blinds you to the obvious.

Are you so frothingly bombarding these sites because you are a debunker or perhaps something in you wants to see the truth? If you thought everyone here was out of their minds, why bother?

You keep asking for proof. Sometimes one has to take a leap from logic and connect dots on an intuitive level. You didn't have to be on the Warren Commission to know that one bullet could not do all that damage. Or on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (man what a combination) to know that Pillars blow away from the source of an explosion, not toward it, or a member of the FBI to known that a passport doesn't survive in pristine condition a fire and explosion that vaporizes steel.

First of all, we pay your freakin' salary. Without us crackpots you be a commercial pilot waiting for a layoff. So we have a right to question what you're doing.

Again, I think deep down inside, a small part of you thinks the government could do this. If you were a truth flag-waving, bible thumping pseudo-patriot, you wouldn't even admit that the USA could do rotten things. Think Gulf of Tonkin, The USS Maine, The Luisitania, Iraqi soldiers puling incubator plugs, all lies. Time to stop believing in The Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus (our caring country), and look at the truth (a destructive place) Also, you did not answer my question from a previous post on the Monsanto/Nutrasweet issue.

posted 08-16-2002 09:39 PM            

You've missed *my* point. If we weren't told anything, and I can't see any evidence of this plot while cruising amongst the other aircraft, then what makes you all the more keener to see or know what's going on?

"All 28 years of it."

I'm 29. But that aside, you act as though I'm a 10 year-old that wouldn't know what I was looking at even if it had 10 foot tall letters on it. You may be older than I am, but I've got 6 years of experience in aviation, and many more years (I was the son and grandson of pilots) being exposed to what's "up there". I've spent the past 29 years of my life looking upwards. How many years to you have? Really, how many years have you been really attuned to the skies? A couple of years? Maybe four? After all, this "conspiracy" supposedly started in the late 1990s.

"Tell me, what is the difference between a contrail filled with chaff and a contrail filled with only vapor and soot? To the naked eye, can you tell me the difference? Surely you won't deny chaff?"

For one, long contrails filled with chaff would certainly interfere with the air traffic control radars. Next, I'd notice it on my windscreen flying through a contrail. Finally, no jet engine is going to be able to dispense chaff continuously.

Chaff is nothing more than a defense mechanism for aircraft to avoid getting shot down. I've studied chaff systems...have you? I used to fly aircraft that could be fitted with various chaff dispensers, and will do so in the future (current aircraft does not have chaff dispensers).

"And while you're explaining those differences, please explain the overlapping contrails (flight paths crossing) that painted a smiley face over Redondo Bay. Yes...a smiley face. With short spokes all around it giving it the appearance of sun rays. So as the winds gently blew from the west, the spokes grew long and ominous over my house. What kind of routine flight exercise might that have been?
Talented folks, this Special Division of our Airforce. Tell me...are you of this caliber of pilot? Can you draw precise smiley faces and pentagrams in the sky? If so...why? "

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Air Force pilots are not skywriters. And if I'm flying a mission for whatever reason, the LAST thing I'd want to do is draw a smiley face.

"They see things that I don't see because sometimes being in the middle of something blinds you to the obvious"

This isn't a creative endeavor. I'm not saying that a non-pilot couldn't point out something to a pilot, but to insist that literally thousands of pilots are too involved to notice formations of airplanes cruising through airspace "spraying" stuff is ludicrous. Part of a pilot's job is to be aware...it's called situational awareness. Knowing what traffic is around you, knowing subtle things about your aircraft...good pilots notice these things and it keeps them alive in the long run.

If I were to put you in the seat (pilot's seat), you would literally be dizzy from everything that you would have to be aware of. All pilots in training have experienced that overwhelming sensation, and after a while your instinct is developed to always be asking questions, always be looking around. Non-pilots have a hard time understanding, because they often equate flying an airplane to driving a car. It's not a car, and pilots are not overpaid "drivers".

"Sometimes one has to take a leap from logic ..."

Leaping from logic is something I try not to do. Acting on intuition will get you killed in flying. You have to do everything in a logical manner, using understanding and knowledge, not simply doing something on a lark because "it felt good". Many accidents I've studied were caused by pilots failing to use logic to solve their problems.

That being said, the chemtrail theory is the ONLY theory I've read about in recent times that claims to have "scientific" evidence showing proof, yet everyone used their "gut feelings" to determine if chemtrails were even real to begin with. Science has very little to do with intuition, and any evidence found by using intuition is certainly suspect.

"First of all, we pay your freakin' salary"

And don't lecture me on paying taxes. I pay just as much in taxes as you do. So get off your high horse and stop inferring that I'm somehow getting a free ride because of your generous tax dollars. Do you think, as a consumer in this economy, that I don't have a part in your salary? It all equates the same.

"...you wouldn't even admit that the USA could do rotten things"

"Rotten things" can be found in any government. So long as greed and power-lust exist within human society, it will plague any government or other organization. Have you ever been to garden spots like Ecuador or Costa Rica? Not the greatest in the world. And sure, the far-left anti-American types would be quick to blame America, but those places suffer not because of America, but because greed and power-lust exist ten-fold in their societies.

America has her own host of problems, but every time I travel outside of this country and come back, I thank God that I was born in America. The problems we have pale in comparison. And just imagine if those foreign countries had the resources and power of America? It would be a nightmare.

Speaking of Nutrisweet, It's common knowledge that consuming aspartame can create problems within humans and is not healthy to consume in large amounts. But like sugar, too much of anything is bad.