posted 09-04-2002 03:09 PM            

Pacer keeps wanting "proof" of everything. He mis-qouted me earlier in intuition versus logic and saying intuition can't fly jets. Well, logic can't always connect dots. Who the hell are these guys waiting to hear? Connie Chung, Rush Limbaugh, or CNN? Give us a break!!!!

What I underdtand of Germany 1933, the populace was fully behind Hitler and there were people who were warning to watch out for him even then. People left there right up until the invasion of Poland in 1939. Then it was too late. I think Pacer and Mech are expecting Gestapo, Jack Boots, Brown Shirts, SS, and goose-stepping because that is the form of fascism is the one that was hammered into our heads. No folks!!! This is Friendly Fascism! Smiling and joking! Consume! But wait! It's better to err on the side of caution. We brought Nazis here and fudged their war records in the 1940's. They were put in banks, psychology, microwave research, and space research. Operation Paperclip. Look it up.

OK, Pacer and Mech, last week a Japanese submarine was discovered that was fired upon FIRST by the U.S.!!!!! What?!???!!! The U.S. fired first?!!!!!????? World War 2 was a scam? SUre, U.S. business liked Hitler and the Boys until it was politically incorrect. Dumbya's Granpappy was indicted by the government for trading with the Nazis until 1943, which means Georges Jr and Sr made their money off of death and destruction. In fact the Americans supplied tanks, poison gas, gasoline, and cars. Just like Noriega, Bin Laden, and Saddam. Not to mention the Gulf of Tonkin scam in which 50,000 Americans lost their lives. You want to talk military, talk to any Vietnam Vet and mention Tonkin. They fought again for rich men, not for freedom.

Pacer, please don't mention how terrible things are in Central or South America. How about Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, or The Netherlands.

posted 09-04-2002 03:50 PM            

Actually I'm more speaking PAST the 'peanut gallery' than to them. You can lead a jackass to water but.... I'm sure similar warnings have been ignored in more than just NAZI Germany but in Russia, French Revolution, Ancient Rome etc. Whenever CORRUPT men rule, they always demonize those GOOD ones exposing their corruption. They "Call evil good and good evil" as is being done now. I KNOW from where I speak as I've been processing news stories on the net for over three years now. The last couple are still archived here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews

posted 09-04-2002 03:55 PM            

Why try to put in my own words what TJ said so well, so long ago...

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"Most codes extend their definitions of treason to acts not really against one's country. They do not distinguish between acts against the government, and acts against the oppressions of the government. The latter are virtues, yet have furnished more victims to the executioner than the former, because real treasons are rare; oppressions frequent. The unsuccessful strugglers against tyranny have been the chief martyrs of treason laws in all countries." --Thomas Jefferson: Report on Spanish Convention, 1792.

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"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.

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Ata boy Hightech! Keep it up!

posted 09-04-2002 04:45 PM            

No wonder Joe average citizen won't listen to you. You discount all of those who disagree with you and demonize all who don't happen to subscribe to your theories or people who you consider to be "part of the system".

Well, you can have your childish high school clique . The only other type of behavior I have ever seen this in are in religious fundementalists.

Choose your enemies well and watch out who you step on. It could be someone you never thought who is close to you. Funny, I condsider myself somewhat leftish and absolutely despise television and have not owned one in 7 years. I do notice one thing about the left. They always seem to love to dictate to others what they refuse to do in their own lives.

posted 09-04-2002 09:36 PM            

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Funny, I condsider myself somewhat leftish and absolutely despise television and have not owned one in 7 years. I do notice one thing about the left. They always seem to love to dictate to others what they refuse to do in their own lives.

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I don't know you Mech, and I haven't been around enough this month to have read anything you've written...other than on this thread. But if you intend to include me in this "left business" maybe you want to dig around the archives and read a few of my posts.

Left? That's a hoot!

Anyway, we might want to drift this thread back on topic out of respect for mindtrip who started it, and before I'm forced out of respect for Thermit's rules to move the whole argument over to Other Trails where this sort of discussion belongs.

I tried what mindtrip suggested but couldn't see any small objects anywhere in the sky. Now we've got a tropical storm to deal with so there isn't anything to see but clouds for the next couple of days.

posted 09-04-2002 09:48 PM            

Hitech, you continually try to make comparisons with Nazi Germany and present-day America...apples and oranges. Even before Hitler entered WWII, he was actively rounding up people, destroying property, and doing hundreds of things that aren't being done today.

If we are truly on the verge of a dictatorship, then you and I should be getting "disappeared" at any moment now.

I don't need Connie Chung or CNN, because I can see things with my own eyes. Lots of people are being highly critical of Bush, and yet they are still around. People like you have been talking of this upcoming "roundup" for a decade, and yet no one has been sent off to the gulags, and not a single American soldier has seen such a place.

You talk extensively about how America troops are being trained to detain and resettle Americans, yet in 11 years of military service I haven't even heard a little peep about such actions, and everyone in uniform would laugh at you for suggesting that such training and conditioning is occuring.

What is really ironic is the only one on this message board that's falling for propaganda is yourself...the anti-government, paranoid hate-filled messages out there meant to demonize those of us who actually serve our country.

posted 09-04-2002 11:37 PM            

Perhaps militias have increased and are becoming more and more rebellious. I don't know, I'm not really involved or exposed to anything like that. However, current events have warranted concerns. Now wether or not you choose to sit down and look at the facts, that's up to you. The only reason you should take anything offensively is if it's true. After all, the truth is what really hurts.

I don't think anyone is equating you to a nazi, necessarily. At least not me anyway. The whole conspiracy issue really does require quite a jump in logic. We call it awakening. Years ago, when first entering college, my roomate was a big hotshot who's dad works for the CIA. He's the one that told me about mind control and got me interested. At first, admittedly, I laughed too and found a number of these claims nothing more than amusing. The more I really looked into it though, the more it became apparent that I had been deceived. The point is things are not what they seem.

I can't tell you exactly what they are dispersing into the atmosphere, electrojet, and radiation belts.. and I can't tell you exactly why... I can tell you without a doubt that they ARE. Can I scientifically prove it? I believe I could. What would I have to do to get access to real time Digisonde, Magnetosonde, or Ionosonde data?? I mean where I could physically verify it myself on-site? Am I to believe that the NAVY or AF will allow me to? I've already had a digital camera confiscated by MPs for photographing strange antennae in Kokomo,IN. http://www.kokomotribune.com/digest.asp?cat=SoundHealth (Kokomo HUM; GWEN; NDGPS; VLF/ULF)

posted 09-05-2002 09:47 AM            

Gee bud, would it surprise you to know Bush boy is quoted before he was elected as saying that "Things would be easier if this was a dictatorship and I was the dictator."??? And YES only to those who aren't paying close attention aren't seeing it. Allowing Pearl Harbor to happen is part of a long running pattern. Enter "Operation Northwoods" into a search engine and you'll find OUR STINKING GOVERNMENT long before Bush was planning on killing OUR OWN SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS as a pretext for attacking Cuba. Then pres. Kennedy REJECTED the idea and his further action against the Federal Reserve sealed his fate.

'Anti-Government' Pacer??? My wife works FOR the government FOOL! I'm proudly anti-CORRUPT government and will expose any be they Repugnant or DemonRat. Not a dime's bit of difference between them. "Conspiracy" Yeah, there's been one for a LONG time under the Illuminati name. While many have joked and made fun of this, their goals continue to be met as time goes by. Just check out what D.A.R.P.A.'s new logo is at: http://www.darpa.mil/iao/programs.htm This is an open declaration that THEY are running THIS country and our military. Guess that means YOU Pacer! So take your orders. Go to whatever foreign country they decree as 'terrorists' while they play buddy buddy with Russia and China. Then when you're DEAD overseas, they'll take charge here. Not too hard to figure out for anybody with active neurons bouncing around their skulls. Guess that precludes some here huh?

Speaking of skulls, Bush Sr. and Jr. are known members of "Skull and Bones" group at Yale. Hollywierd did their bit of smoke and mirrors with the movie "Skulls." Those who probe deeper will find a group that worships LUCIFER and practices sacrifices. Similar to Bohemian Grove http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html a retreat located in California and again frequented by HOMOSEXUAL WORLD LEADERS. Again, it's LUCIFERIAN in nature and doctrine, has had its ceremonies VIDEOTAPED showing these goons in red and silver SATANIC monk type robes. Oh yeah, Dick Cheney was announced as V.P. from there the July before the video was released. Naturally these guys PRETEND to be Christians like ex heir Klinton did. NOT!! Their religion is power and MONEY. Money they're STEALING through the CARLYLE group which Bush Senior is parters with Bin Laden through. THEY WERE PAID IN GOLD FOLKS!! Taliban were created by 132 MILLION through Pakistan Intelligence via the stinking Bush CIA. My, my... Conspiracy? Yeah ABSOLUTELY!! 1000% and EASILY PROVABLE to any half-wit that takes the TIME to check it out vs. listening to PROPAGANDA spewed by corrupt officials and whoredog media.

Skolnick - The Overthrow Of The American Republic - Pt 14 http://www.rense.com/general28/skol911.htm
Skolnick - The Overthrow Of The American Republic - Pt 15 http://www.rense.com/general28/skolover15.htm

New September 11 photos show Bush viewing WTC events But pictures only raise more questions http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=32707
Bush Viewing WTC Events In FL School - New 911 Pics
For the full set of photographs see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,343-403953,00.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
(TONS of prior knowledge story links here people!!)

Debunking The Myth Of Al Qaeda http://www.rense.com/general28/myth.htm

No Posse Can Stop Them http://www.rense.com/general28/posse.htm

posted 09-05-2002 10:57 AM            

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Not a dime's bit of difference between them.

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Both parties are going in the same direction but one will get you there faster than the other. Not sure which one though. They are two sides of the same coin with the ones that are really in control pitting one party against the other.

posted 09-05-2002 11:38 AM            

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Subject: Scientia est potentia

These guys at the Information Awareness Office either don't know their Latin very well, or they are being blantantly evil.

Potentia means power but it has the connotation of unconstitutional private power. Power attained by private means and used for personal ends. What they should say is "Potestas." This is power attained by and for the public good. As in this famous quote by Francis Bacon: Ipsa scientia potestas est. Knowledge itself is power.

In my copy of the "New College Latin and English Dictionary" potentia is defined as: "force, power; political power (esp. unconstitutional power)". Whereas potestas is defined as: "power, abililty, capacity; public authority, rule, magisterial power; possibility, opportunity, permission..."

So by saying "Scientia est potentia" they're just coming out and saying, "Knowledge is unconstitutional political power for a few private individuals." Sounds about right to me. Maybe they do know their Latin after all.

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posted 09-05-2002 11:41 AM            

I think Bush does not have the wit to maintain the presidency...it's his TEAM that's the shady bunch(Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ridge, Ashcroft).No more needs to be said about that bunch.

Hi-tech, I'm a newbie here but I'm already tired of your abusive attitude twards others. By hurling insults, you only serve to alienate the very people you purportedly care about.All I ask for is a small amont of civility and tolerance for others opinions/information. Deal?

posted 09-05-2002 12:26 PM            

I do keep this sword on my wall and I ain't saying how I got it.

posted 09-05-2002 02:41 PM            

Did you hear me?

They ADMITTED this went on there where Bush Sr. and JR. and Cheney and Powell and.... other world so-called 'leaders' are MEMBERS!!! It is based on the owl god Moloch or the god of DEATH! Just because YOU don't believe it doesn't mean these FREAKS don't! They believe their power is enlarged through BLOOD SACRIFICE. And this INCLUDES the WARS they orchestrate!!

Remaining IGNORANT of thier beliefs and methods only lets them CONTINUE when they should be charged and convicted of HIGH TREASON!

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: SPIKED!: CNN Refuses to Run Connie Chung's Skull & Bones Broadcast

SPIKED!: CNN Refuses to Run Connie Chung's Skull & Bones Broadcast

(links & all: http://www.friendsofliberty.com; please forward to
allies)

by Todd Brendan Fahey
September 5, 2002

CNN spiked Connie Chung's widely-publicized "expose" on Yale
University's Order of Skull & Bones, chapter 322, which counts among
its membership President George W. Bush and his father and grandfather
before him, and influential aide and former Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Brent Scowcroft. And Connie Chung ain't talking.

The program--billed at CNN's Web site to air 8:00pm ET, September
4--did not materialize; in its place was a story of a murder trial in
Florida.

Contacted repeatedly at CNN studios, representatives of Ms. Chung and
producers of Connie Chung Tonight were either "unavailable" or had "no
comment."

The Order of Skull & Bones forms the nucleus of the private Council on
Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission--which are,
themselves--the guiding forces behind the drive toward an United
Nations-run World Government. Each year at Yale, since 1832, 15
sophomores are "tapped" for consideration into this secret society,
whose headquarters, called "the Tomb," lie underground, beneath Yale's
campus; contained within the Tomb are computer facilities which are
said to rival NORAD in sophistication. And although initiates are
sworn to secrecy, a complete membership roster, initiation rites and
Bones history was furnished to the late Dr. Antony Sutton in 1981.

Dr. Sutton, who died this year at the age of 84, was at the time a
Research Fellow at the prestigious Hoover Institution of Stanford
University. His ardent anti-communist/anti-globalist views and
reputation for impeccable research doubtless attracted the attention
of the disgruntled Bonesman, and with the records, Sutton eventually
produced America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order
or Skull & Bones, the definitive expose on that which lies at the core
of a conspiracy to enact Global Government, via the destruction of
America's Constitutional republican political system.

For a good overview of Dr. Sutton's research, please follow this
Google link.

Ms. Chung's TV program would probably have been a puff piece anyway,
but the 11th-hour spiking of her Skull & Bones broadcast is a glaring
example of the Pravda-like protection of the Establishment that is the
so-called "mainstream media."

$$$

September 4: Announcement from CNN:

Connie Chung Tonight: A secret society -- and President Bush is a
member! Connie exposes what's hidden behind the walls of Yale
University. (8 p.m. ET)

posted 09-05-2002 03:15 PM            

Dan previously stated

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posted 09-06-2002 08:53 AM            

Skull and Bones DOES perform SATANIC rituals and much has been written about it. This is where you have to RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF and do NOT let these slights or demonizations deter YOUR search for what the TRUTH is. Punch "Skull and Bones" into a search engine and get going. DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS BASED ON FACT NOT EMOTION. Once you've satisfied that, add the 'puzzle piece' that the Bush's are ALSO members of "BOHEMIAN GROVE" Do the research on THAT group YOURSELF. It'll soon become clear that TRUTH is really STRANGER THAN FICTION or the movies.

Do you see where this SATANIST is leading this country folks? Hitler was an occultist SCUM also. And most of what's being done PATTERNS itself after NAZI Germany all while they're comparing Saddam Insane to Hitler! NO, he's Cheney's BUSINESS PARTNER!! Hitler STAGED the Reichstag event, just as this country has STAGED OKC, WTC-1993, WTC-2001 and is ABOUT to STAGE an attack to be BLAMED on Iraq!!
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html

New September 11 photos show Bush viewing WTC events But pictures only raise more questions http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495;article=32707
Bush Viewing WTC Events In FL School - New 911 Pics
For the full set of photographs see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,343-403953,00.html
New September 11 photos likely staged - major discrepencies between documented events and pictures emerge
http://www.gulagamerika.homestead.com/index.html

Dick Cheney's dream: Taking care of Saddam might also take care of Halliburton http://www.salon.com/news/col/scheer/2002/09/04/cheney/index.html
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism
American/Israeli Terrorism
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/#Palestine

Former Mossad chief appointed to New York City counter-terrorism panel
A former CIA chief. The one-time head of Israel's spy agency. A Nobel Prize winner with a background in biological warfare. A nuclear physicist.
Full Story Click Here http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/16065p-15219c.html

The American Coup d'Etat And The War For Jewish Supremacy http://www.public-action.com/index.html

WHITE HOUSE WON'T YIELD ENERGY PAPERS http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/1561592

Merle Haggard: "I think we should give John Ashcroft a big hand ...
(pause) ... right in the mouth!"
"the way things are going, I'll probably be thrown in jail tomorrow for saying that, so I hope ya'll will bail me out." http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=13766&CFID=2620411&CFTOKEN=16337235

Flight of the Phoenix: >From Vietnam to Homeland Security http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine0824.html

SPIKED!: CNN Refuses to Run Connie Chung's Skull & Bones Broadcast Click. http://www.friendsofliberty.com/

Bush Requests $1 Billion in Added Spending http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020905-534087.htm
Money to fund the Transportation Security Administration, fight AIDS, give humanitarian assistance to Palestinians and help Israel fight the war on terrorism.

Bush Expands Government Secrecy http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/politics/3993298.htm

George W. - Master of Disguise http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/09-09-2002/vo18no18_disguise.htm
Spouting patriotic rhetoric and enjoying the support of fellow Republicans,
George W. Bush has masqueraded as a conservative while actually advancing a liberal agenda.

posted 09-06-2002 01:28 PM            

Ah, but you see when I mentioned "The Skulls" it was only in reference to the MOVIE by that name. That movie was about the organization at YALE ONLY. It was YOU who re-directed the info to this 'other' group I care NOT about. The movie even says at the beginning that several presidents were members however downplays the true EVIL nature of this group. It IS LUCIFERIAN. They DO practice sacrifices. I don't care squat about this other 'diversion' group you mention. You don't key in 'skulls' you key in 'skull and bones' into a search.

As for being 'defensive' I will always rebutt falsehoods with FACTS and sources for people to find the truth. I speak PAST you AT to those reading this thread looking for the real truth.

Don't believe him, don't believe ME.
CHECK FOR YOURSELF

CNN Refuses To Run Connie Chung's Skull & Bones Broadcast http://www.rense.com/general28/ssb.htm

FOLLOWING BUSH'S MONEY TRAIL.... http://www.thedubyareport.com/money.html

posted 09-06-2002 03:13 PM            

What we see is a struggle to NOT FACE FACTS even when they're plainly in your face! IF we had a good government, I'd be more than happy to say so. We do NOT. It is run by SATANIC BANKSTERS and GANGSTERS like Bush's, Rockefellers, Rothschild's etc. That is why nothing Bush boy does, seems to make sense to so-called 'conservatives.' That's WHY he's putting our soldiers in harms way while bringing in FOREIGN TROOPS. Our national guard is for protecting THIS country, yet he's sending them OUT!

The original purpose of this 'thread' was to discuss the PURPOSE for CHEMTRAILS. It's been necessary to divert a bit of attention to present 'other' material to prove my point. However, I think those reading will easily see that it serves the GLOBALIST interests to CREATE DROUGHT thus forcing people off land for the UN and restricting the food supply. It is part of this overall picture. An extremely UGLY picture at that. It's not MY reality, it's what's happening.

Wheat Board pulls out of world markets http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/09/06/wheatboard_020906
WINNIPEG - With grain future prices on the rise, the Canadian Wheat Board pulled out of the world grain market Thursday, saying they have fewer supplies than in past years.
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(RAPIDLY approaching the time when a quart of wheat will cost a man a day's wages!)

LA Forest Fire Said Started By Pagans In Animal Sacrifice http://www.rense.com/general28/pgns.htm

Leaders seek federal relief for drought http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/4013447.htm

Drought to set record in Atlanta, GA http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/0902/05drought.html

10 Million Acres at Stake in Bush Forest Plan http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134530324_forest06m.html
The proposal marks such a stark departure from the way federal land managers work now that critics were left breathless by its sweep. "It's outrageous — far worse than we expected," says Mike Anderson with The Wilderness Society in Seattle.

Again, these are usually MAINSTREAM stories from the press. NOT 'my version of reality.' Sorry to confuse SOME with the FACTS! However, I will CONTINUE to do so!