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Topic: Chemtrails And Barium (from Rense.com) | Topic page views:
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Ellyn
Senior Member
1242 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-03-2002 02:30 AM
http://www.rense.com/general28/chmbrar.htm Chemtrails And Barium From KD Weber wvadreamin@citlink.net 9-2-2 There are no quantitative data on the deposition and absorption of barium compounds through inhalation in humans. http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc107.htm Methods have been developed over the last several months which appear to confirm the existence of extraordinary levels of barium within our atmosphere. http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm The following is a list of conditions, observations and analyses which focus direct attention on barium and barium compounds within the investigation of the aerosol operations http://www.carnicom.com/deduct1.htm The identification of barium in the atmosphere as a result of aircraft aerosol activities continues to be confirmed. http://www.carnicom.com/spectra2.htm The unusual presence of the element barium in the atmosphere now appears to have been affirmed through the methods of spectroscopy. http://www.carnicom.com/spectra1.htm
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US 176 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-03-2002 09:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ellyn: Methods have been developed over the last several months which appear to confirm the existence of extraordinary levels of barium within our atmosphere. http://www.carnicom.com/precip1.htm
Ellyn, the so-called method developed by Carnicom is flawed numerous ways. First, his chemistry is wrong. Show that "report" to any qualified chemist and confirm this. Second, his methodology sucks. There is no nice way to put this. There are no controls to identify background contamination from the sample medium and reagents. Finally, his method is pointless. Even if his chemistry were correct, it is still only a qualitative method. That is the method can only tell you if a compound is present, yes or no. A qualitative analysis is necessary to get an actual numerical concentration. Too expensive you say? Actually no it isn’t. Elemental analysis by atomic absorption spectrometry is very cheap. Prices will vary from lab to lab, but should not exceed $15 per metal per sample extract. It should cost about $50 to $60 for the lab to prepare an extract from a filter sample for a total cost of around $80 to quantitatively analyze a sample for barium and aluminum. If you figure on two samples plus a blank and shipping, you are talking a total cost of around $250. Okay, that is not exactly what most of us have lying around in the cookie jar, but it is not going to break the bank either. This type of analysis is commonly done for environmental monitoring within the commercial and industrial sectors and there are qualified laboratories all over the country. In addition, if you designed your experiment carefully, and collected air flow measurements at the beginning, during and at the end of your sampling period, you could easily calculate the barium concentration in the air!

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Ellyn
Senior Member
1242 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-03-2002 06:39 PM
Another article (already posted) mentioning barium: http://www.rense.com/general28/uuch.htm Chemtrail Blitz Over Arizona
J. Michael Pece drmike00@yahoo.com 8-22-2 
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US 176 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-03-2002 08:25 PM
Ellyn, care to comment on any of these? http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts24.html Notice that they don’t really talk about hair analysis for barium. The most common way to analyze for barium exposure is to test the main route of excretion, namely feces. This is something that "Dr." Pece should know if he did his homework. Another site: http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/barium_f_V1.shtml Notice from the following that barium has a relatively high background concentration in soil. http://www.epa.gov/superfund/programs/risk/ecorisk/exhibits/exhibit10.pdf ( a PDF File, right click and "save target as")
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Ellyn
Senior Member
1242 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-04-2002 12:23 AM
An article about barium found in rainwater: http://www.rense.com/general21/conf.htm Chemtrails - Barium, Aluminum, Titanium CONFIRMED In Rainwater By Sue Miller 3-15-2 Two more articles on releasing barium into the atmosphere: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/019.html
Barium Releases Article #19 by T. Neil Davis AND http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.html International Barium Releases Article #28 by T. Neil Davis Another interesting article on the effects of barium exposure, entitled Barium: http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/barium.shtml For specific information within a Google search, I typed "barium spraying," and got the following addresses: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=barium&as_q=spraying&btnG=Search%C2%A0within%C2%A0results
For more information on barium and the companies that produce barium, click on the Google search engine: http://www.google.com/search?q=barium&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
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Bonehead9
Senior Member
suburb of Chicago, IL US 176 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-04-2002 05:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ellyn: An article about barium found in rainwater: http://www.rense.com/general21/conf.htm Chemtrails - Barium, Aluminum, Titanium CONFIRMED In Rainwater By Sue Miller 3-15-2
Why are you bringing up that ridiculous piece of garbage, the so called “report” by Therese Aigner? Don’t make me go back over that junk. That think has about as much scientific validity as a stuffed jackalope. quote:
Two more articles on releasing barium into the atmosphere: http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/019.html Barium Releases Article #19 by T. Neil Davis AND http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.html International Barium Releases Article #28 by T. Neil Davis
Okay, so they are releasing small amounts of barium compounds into the ionosphere to study auroras. Big deal Explain to me why you think that this means that the United Airlines jet flying over your head is releasing some kind of poison on top of you. quote:
Another interesting article on the effects of barium exposure, entitled Barium: http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/barium.shtml
If you look closely at this article, it states Information excerpted from Toxicological Profile for Barium July 1992 Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry United States Public Health Service This is the same site that I linked to above. No one is arguing that barium is not hazardous. It is. It is also present in our atmosphere as a result of the combustion of coal, mining, and other various industrial activities. In fact, It is a common contaminant found in used motor oil. quote:
For specific information within a Google search, I typed "barium spraying," and got the following addresses: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q =barium&as_q=spraying&btnG=Search%C2%A0within%C2%A0results For more information on barium and the companies that produce barium, click on the Google search engine: http://www.google.com/search?q=barium&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
Whatever. I am not sure what the point of that last bit was so I will just leave it be. 
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Alpha-Theta
Superior

ª×µ»ƒ³²² 694 posts, May 2002
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posted 09-04-2002 05:20 PM
quote: Okay, so they are releasing small amounts of barium compounds into the ionosphere to study auroras. Big deal Explain to me why you think that this means that the United Airlines jet flying over your head is releasing some kind of poison on top of you
ROFL!!! Nicely Done B/H !! (note the irrelevant reference to commercial airliners) ( nice work Ellyn ) 
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 09-05-2002 02:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Bonehead9: That think has about as much scientific validity as a stuffed jackalope.
I think that a stuffed jackalope has a lot of scientific validity Bonehead. This one works for NASA. 
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GAS_MASK
Open-Minded

151 posts, Jul 2002
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posted 09-05-2002 05:46 AM
ROFL!  Here's another interesting article you might want to visit: LINK Second to the last paragraph is particularly interesting.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence

The Minuteman State 6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 09-05-2002 07:45 AM
Me is laughing my ( | ) off!Mech 
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Dan Rockwell
Hoka hey! - heyokas!

Stamford, CT, USA 1750 posts, Dec 2001
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posted 09-05-2002 10:22 AM
Very interesting article G/M. BTW, Bonehead would have to mention jackalopes Mech. Some people still believe that they actually exist and I've sent a few of them running through the woods screaming their heads off. - ROFL! 
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