posted 09-25-2002 01:14 AM            

who are you?

well...I'm Batman....

posted 09-25-2002 01:45 AM            

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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-23-2002 01:57 PM
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It's an expensive endeavor seeker with legal ramifications. If you care so much about hard evidence, how 'bout putting up $10,000 towards an in-situ sampling of a plume? $5k? $2k? $1k? Nah...didn't think so. I'm willing to commit to $5k...anybody else?

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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
1501 posts, Dec 2000

posted 09-23-2002 02:10 PM
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Nice piece seeker.
5K holy wish I had an extra few to donate for a insitu sample analysis Unhappy Trails...thanks for putting up your cash !

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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-23-2002 02:21 PM
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Hey Lulu...only $15k to go and we can all have the answers we're looking for. Let's see..there are 1000 members at Chemtrail Central. If we all pitched in $20 bucks a piece we could pull this off. We would need a treasurer though..you game? Anybody?

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
141 posts, Nov 2001

posted 09-23-2002 03:31 PM
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This is a reply that I sent to "Seekers" web site "webmaster@supercell.org " found at "late summer chemtrails will be disclosed and common knowledge" calling William Thomas a liar. My comments are addressed to ALL debunkers in response to said web site: Please read:
:Let's say you are correct that William Thomas is a liar. I really don't know and don't care. What I do know is that it is a fact that there is a devious wicked chemtrail project being carried out involving many nations. It has been obvious to me four plus years. All I need is intelligence, common sense, and my eyesight to convince me a massive sky operation is under way. NO WAY can these lousy chem-trails be innocent or natural. I am an avid sky watcher, first because I love and observe my natural surroundings and second, not having my head in the sand, want an explanation for the methodical way these trails are laid down to steal our natural atmosphere and moisture as well as making inumerable men women and children repeatedly sick. YOU SIR and all the other debunkers are the LIARS. The chem-trail operation WILL one day be public knowledge and WILL end. If not by subjects of this government, than by the Creator himself. Oh, I forgot, you don't believe in an Almighty Sovereign God to whom you owe an accounting. But one day, you will, you will...

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
141 posts, Nov 2001

posted 09-23-2002 05:05 PM
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My reply recieved to above e-mail:
well that was kind of mean, I'm not lying here, those
are William Thomas' own words...not mine...

a secret spray program cannot be proven without a
whistle blower period, thomas is not it, if you really
believe that there is a program, you better clean your
house of filthy liars and start acting like people who
are really persuing the truth...instead of acting like
scam artists persuing the almighty dollar !

otherwise what you believe will remain just that a
belief...

I do not believe in chemtrails, mainly because all the
big players are snakes, vipers...taliking alot and not
proving a damn thing...they are trying to get into the
wallets of folks...that's not concern it is fraud...

for your sake I hope you see this...I really do...

and yes I believe in God...the real one...not false
one's...

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
141 posts, Nov 2001

posted 09-23-2002 05:12 PM
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you felt that letter was mean, it expresses my anger and frustration
as to what is happening to my breathing space regardless of where I travel,
with no one standing up like a man (or woman) and taking responsability for
it or expaining it's purpose.
I am not connected with anyone's house and can very well believe there
are unscrupulous snakes ready to make a buck off of a situation. Thomas
could be one of them, I don't know. I rarely read his stuff. You though,
GK, will you explain to me what you believe accounts for the atroscity our
eyes see every time we look skyward ? How would you explain the drastic
change in the appearence of the sun's color, and why are the planes intent
on masking over the sun? Why do I see one or more planes some days over my
house every ten minutes (approximately) flying most times from northeast to
southwest. Why are the planes working row upon row of white plumes which
spread out into abnormal shapes and eventually covering over the blue sky.
WHY WHY WHY? Why do we see oily rings around the sun and sometimes oily
smudges in the abnormal clouds? There are numerous other happenings which
you can think of I'm sure. I believe it is multi-purpose, none of it good
for us governed ones, inflicted upon us from the governing ones. Thanks for
your reply in advance. Galaxie, (milky way)

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Senior Member
Oregon
98 posts, Oct 2000

posted 09-24-2002 03:54 AM
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I'll kick in some cash but a few questions first.How does anyone know what the sampling would cost.Who would collect the sample,and where do you get it tested? Then what do you do with the results.I'll put in $500.

Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-24-2002 04:53 AM
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Way cool Increase. To answer your questions as best I can [I'm no expert but have made inquiries] there are analytical testing agencies that actually have learjets with all the equipment already on them. Believe me they're expensive to hire for a day.
The Project Manager would do all of the sampling and submissions to the labs keeping the 'Chain of Custody' in tact. That way no one can be accused of tampering with the evidence, and if we do get a hit on chems or biologicals the evidence will be irrefutable and hold up in a court of law.

We also need to find the right people who can inflict the most damage with this evidence and have a powerful voice into the legal, environmental and medical communities. Greg Palast would be nice, eh? Anyway...I'm seriously checking into all of this. Your pledge of $500.00 is wonderful. I hope others would consider making a contribution to this endeavor even if it's just $20....

The cost sounds enormous and I can certainly understand why Will Thomas and Cliff Carnicom have not conducted an in-situ sampling...Who's got that kind of money? I believe in good old fashioned grassroots fundraising. People just have to believe it's the right thing to do. Bottom line... it's the only thing we can do to obtain hard evidence and blow this wide open.

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
141 posts, Nov 2001

posted 09-24-2002 03:39 PM
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Seeker: I admit, I acted in the heat of the moment and thought later. I will contact this person and apoligize. As for you Seeker, I wouldn't give you the time of day for any reason.

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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
141 posts, Nov 2001

posted 09-24-2002 04:01 PM
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UT: I like the way you think and I would be glad to contribute. There surely are enough of us so that with organization there should be more than enough money. Those in the U.S. and of other nations will no doubtedly be glad to join the force. First step is formulating plans. I believe there should be a legal organization formed under the guideance of an attorney, so a legal bank account could be set up allowing no unauthorized person to dip his hand in the pot.

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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2417 posts, Jul 2000

posted 09-24-2002 04:07 PM
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Living with the legacy of WT misinformation... http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=6687.topic

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Mech
Paradoxical Incubus
Northeast USA
120 posts, Sep 2002

posted 09-24-2002 06:18 PM
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I'm new here. I'm still have not made up my mind about chemtrails yet. I worked with military fighter planes 2 years ago and I do no that no such device exists on THAT particular aircraft (as I have seen the plane in pieces). However, I was a little freaked out about Colin Powell's recent "Abatement" speech and sometimes I wonder what is on those unmarked White DC-8's 757's and 767's, I know that a lot of them are just military surviellance planes but there are many that i'm not so sure about.Especially these so- called "test-bed" heavy aircraft. If there was some kind of spraying going on..I would only assume that it would come from heavy (jumbo) aircraft.
What one man's truth is another man's lies.

Mech

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Alpha-Theta
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646 posts, May 2002

posted 09-24-2002 07:03 PM
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Judging by your recent posts, Mech, I would say you have a lucid understanding of the 'big picture', so to speak. Accordingly your honesty can be appreciated as well. Peace.

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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-25-2002 12:07 AM
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Thermit, it is my hope that kind of misinformation never happens again. An in-situ sampling needs to happen and it needs to be done the right way. Many people are looking into what that scenario should be. Every detail needs to be planned to the letter, strong legal and envronmerntal alies need to be made. And we need a far reaching voice. All of this takes time and money. I like Jeanies idea of setting up a legal bank account supervised by an attorney. We could call it The Blue Sky Defense Fund...or something like that. Any more suggestions?

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GAS_MASK
Open-Minded
Milwaukee, WI
116 posts, Jul 2002

posted 09-25-2002 12:39 AM
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Most high flying airliners do not fly in the direct wake of chemtrailing planes. Results of spent filter tests would probably not yield anything conclusive.

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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-25-2002 12:39 AM
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That will be included, but...we wouldn't be able to prove how it got there. My air filter from home tested positive for all kinds of things...proving it came from an airplane is another story.

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Senior Member
Oregon
98 posts, Oct 2000

posted 09-25-2002 12:47 AM
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If anyone knows someone going to school here univ. of washington)they have the equipment and plane we could use for testing. Check out the information from their web site.Do a search at Google"cloud and aerosol research alot of info.( Cloud and Aerosol Research Group (CARG)

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(Photo: NASA Dryden Flight Research Center)

Brief History of the CARG and Current and Future Activities
Some Field Research Projects

TARFOX -- Tropospheric Aerosol Radiative Forcing Observational Experiment

FIRE-ACE/SHEBA

KWAJEX-TRMM

SAFARI 2000

IMPROVE-1: Frontal Studies, 4 January-14 February 2001

CLAMS

IMPROVE-2: Orographic Studies, 26 November-22 December 2001

Alerts
News: Termination of University of Washington Airborne Research Facility
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Peter Hobbs' new book, Introduction to Atmospheric Chemistry (Cambridge University Press), is now available.

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Convair-580 Instrumentation

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GAS_MASK
Open-Minded
Milwaukee, WI
116 posts, Jul 2002

posted 09-25-2002 12:51 AM
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Seeker, where did you see them from? While in the air? Or from the ground?
If you are in the air, you probably won't stick around long enough to see that they have turned into artificial clouds.

If viewing from the ground, how can you verify that they actually flew through the cloud?

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Unhappy Trails
Senior Member
Seattle, WA
238 posts, May 2002

posted 09-25-2002 01:00 AM
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No need to swear seeker. They could say that plane was in for servicing, exposed to aluminum dust particulates flying around in the hangar..Machinists working on equipment, etc. Any number of things they could say of how those filters became contaminated. I take it by the swearing you're feeling threatened. Why...who are you?

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posted 09-27-2002 10:11 PM            

Re: your reply to ellobosolo - To put it bluntly, what really pisses me off is that you consistently act as if the now-almost continuous SATURATION of the skies over certain areas by *whatever* you wish to call what is coming out of the rear-ends of aircraft is No Big Deal.

I feel you are being disingenuous in this regard and that you should know better, especially if you really are who certain parties claim you are.

Sorry, but I have to be honest here. I'd appreciate your addressing this if you wouldn't mind.

posted 09-29-2002 08:47 AM            

Thank you for your reply of 9/28/02.

You wrote:

.....I don't know if it's a big deal or not. I am not particularly bothered by the contrails filling up the sky and spoiling the blue. I can understand how many people would be. Earlier in my life, it would have bothered me more than it does now.
If it affects climate significantly, then I would be bothered. But ranting about chemtrails is not going to help out if contrails are affecting climate. It only diverts attention from what is really happening.....

A 10/30/01 NY Times report on Dr. Minnis' recent post-Sept. 11 study states the following:

.....This veil-like type of cloud allows sunlight in to warm the earth and traps some of the rising heat before it can radiate [back] into space.....

The "veil-like cloud type" being referred to here is stated to be the result of "narrow contrails" which spread out to cover large areas of the sky at 25,000 feet and higher.

The NY Times article goes on to state the following, in regard to satellite images collected on Sept. 12, 2001:

.....The most valuable data were collected the next day [Sept. 12.] Only nine military flights crossed a region from Ohio to Virginia, an area normally cloaked in cirrus clouds from the 700 to 800 jets crossing daily, Dr. Minnis said. With those images, his team was able to chart precisely how those nine threadlike contrails fanned out over five hours to form a shield of cirrus clouds covering 24,000 square miles.....

24,000 square miles of a [heat-trapping] "shield of cirrus clouds" from "nine threadlike contrails."

posted 09-30-2002 09:11 AM            

India blaming us for drought in the monsoon
season;http://biochem.yoll.net/Evidence.html
Sounds alot like half of the US!

Stormy weather says it all; http://www.columbusalive.com/2001/20011206/120601/12060101.html

We also know from topo map companys that the western US is being 3-D mapped,with help from HAARP?

What is the status of congress bill
#HR2977
designed to stop the spraying????????????????

posted 10-01-2002 08:30 PM            

imagine that...