posted 09-29-2002 02:35 PM            

That's the silliest thing I've heard you say yet. The satellites DO the tracking for pete's sake. Here's two excerpts from the HAARP patent I promised.

United States Patent 4,686,605
Eastlund August 11, 1987

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Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere

Abstract
A method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating to thereby increase its charged particle density. In one embodiment, circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation is transmitted upward in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends through the region of plasma to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which excites electron cyclotron resonance to heat and accelerate the charged particles. This increase in energy can cause ionization of neutral particles which are then absorbed as part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region.

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Excerpt from U.S. Patent # 4686605

It has also been proposed to release large clouds of barium in the magnetosphere so that photoionization will increase the cold plasma density, thereby producing electron precipitation through enhanced whistler-mode interactions.

However, in all of the above-mentioned approaches, the mechanisms involved in triggering the change in the trapped particle phenomena must be actually positioned within the affected zone, e.g., the magnetosphere, before they can be actuated to effect the desired change.

The earth's ionosphere is not considered to be a "trapped" belt since there are few trapped particles therein. The term "trapped" herein refers to situations where the force of gravity on the trapped particles is balanced by magnetic forces rather than hydrostatic or collisional forces. The charged electrons and ions in the ionosphere also follow helical paths around magnetic field lines within the ionosphere but are not trapped between mirrors, as in the case of the trapped belts in the magnetosphere, since the gravitational force on the particles is balanced by collisional or hydrostatic forces.

In recent years, a number of experiments have actually been carried out to modify the ionosphere in some controlled manner to investigate the possibility of a beneficial result. For detailed discussions of these operations see the following papers: (1) Ionospheric Modification Theory; G. Meltz and F. W. Perkins; (2) The Platteville High Power Facility; Carrol et al.; (3) Arecibo Heating Experiments; W. E. Gordon and H. C. Carlson, Jr.; and (4) Ionospheric Heating by Powerful Radio Waves; Meltz et al., all published in Radio Science, Vol. 9, No. 11, November, 1974, at pages 885-888; 889-894; 1041-1047; and 1049-1063, respectively, all of which are incorporated herein by reference. In such experiments, certain regions of the ionosphere are heated to change the electron density and temperature within these regions. This is accomplished by transmitting from earth-based antennae high frequency electromagnetic radiation at a substantial angle to, not parallel to, the ionosphere's !
magnetic field to heat the ionospheric particles primarily by ohmic heating. The electron temperature of the ionosphere has been raised by hundreds of degrees in these experiments, and electrons with several electron volts of energy have been produced in numbers sufficient to enhance airglow. Electron concentrations have been reduced by a few percent, due to expansion of the plasma as a result of increased temperature.

In the Elmo Bumpy Torus (EBT), a controlled fusion device at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, all heating is provided by microwaves at the electron cyclotron resonance interaction. A ring of hot electrons is formed at the earth's surface in the magnetic mirror by a combination of electron cyclotron resonance and stochastic heating. In the EBT, the ring electrons are produced with an average "temperature" of 250 kilo electron volts or kev (2.5.times.10.sup.9 K) and a plasma beta between 0.1 and 0.4; see, "A Theoretical Study of Electron--Cyclotron Absorption in Elmo Bumpy Torus", Batchelor and Goldfinger, Nuclear Fusion, Vol. 20, No. 4 (1980) pps. 403-418.

Electron cyclotron resonance heating has been used in experiments on the earth's surface to produce and accelerate plasmas in a diverging magnetic field. Kosmahl et al. showed that power was transferred from the electromagnetic waves and that a fully ionized plasma was accelerated with a divergence angle of roughly 13 degrees. Optimum neutral gas density was 1.7.times.10.sup.14 per cubic centimeter; see, "Plasma Acceleration with Microwaves Near Cyclotron Resonance", Kosmahl et al., Journal of Applied Physics, Vol. 38, No. 12, Nov., 1967, pps. 4576-4582.

DISCLOSURE OF THE INVENTION

The present invention provides a method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region which normally exists above the earth's surface. The region is excited by electron cyclotron resonance heating of electrons which are already present and/or artifically created in the region to thereby increase the charged particle energy and ultimately the density of the region.

In one embodiment this is done by transmitting circularly polarized electromagnetic radiation from the earth's surface at or near the location where a naturally-occurring dipole magnetic field (force) line intersects the earth's surface. Right hand circular polarization is used in the northern hemisphere and left hand circular polarization is used in the southern hemisphere. The radiation is deliberately transmitted at the outset in a direction substantially parallel to and along a field line which extends upwardly through the region to be altered. The radiation is transmitted at a frequency which is based on the gyrofrequency of the charged particles and which, when applied to the at least one region, excites electron cyclotron resonance within the region or regions to heat and accelerate the charged particles in their respective helical paths around and along the field line. Sufficient energy is employed to cause ionization of neutral particles (molecules of oxygen, nitrog!
en and the like, particulates, etc.) which then become a part of the region thereby increasing the charged particle density of the region. This effect can further be enhanced by providing artificial particles, e.g., electrons, ions, etc., directly into the region to be affected from a rocket, satellite, or the like to supplement the particles in the naturally-occurring plasma. These artificial particles are also ionized by the transmitted electromagnetic radiation thereby increasing charged particle density of the resulting plasma in the region.

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2nd Excerpt from U.S. Patent # 4686605.

This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same.

**** Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a ****lens or focusing device.**** Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example,!
ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like. Transportation of entities can also be realized when advantage is taken of the drag effects caused by regions of the atmosphere moving up along diverging field lines. Small micron sized particles can be then transported, and, under certain circumstances and with the availability of sufficient energy, larger particles or objects could be similarly affected.

****Particles with desired characteristics such as tackiness, reflectivity, absorptivity, etc., can be transported for specific purposes or effects.**** For example, a plume of tacky particles could be established to increase the drag on a missile or satellite passing through.***

Even plumes of plasma having substantially less charged particle density than described !
above will produce drag effects on missiles which will affect!
a lightweight (dummy) missile in a manner substantially different than a heavy (live) missile and this affect can be used to distinguish between the two types of missiles. A moving plume could also serve as a means for supplying a space station or for focusing vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth. Surveys of global scope could also be realized because the earth's natural magnetic field could be significantly altered in a controlled manner by plasma beta effects resulting in, for example, improved magnetotelluric surveys. Electromagnetic pulse defenses are also possible. The earth's magnetic field could be decreased or disrupted at appropriate altitudes to modify or eliminate the magnetic field in high Compton electron generation (e.g., from high altitude nuclear bursts) regions. High intensity, well controlled electrical fields can be provided in selected locations for various purposes. For example, the plasma sheath surrounding a missile or satellite c!
ould be used as a trigger for activating such a high intensity field to destroy the missile or satellite. Further, irregularities can be created in the ionosphere which will interfere with the normal operation of various types of radar, e.g., synthetic aperture radar. The present invention can also be used to create artificial belts of trapped particles which in turn can be studied to determine the stability of such parties. Still further, plumes in accordance with the present invention can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device. Thus it can be seen that the ramifications are numerous, far-reaching, and exceedingly varied in usefulness.

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The assignee on this patent is (APTI) ARCO Power Technologies, Inc.(the largest contractor hired by the government to construct the facility for H.A.A.R.P in Alaska. APTI was sold to E-Systems which is owned by Raytheon.
Raytheon also purchased Huges Aircraft Company. So Raytheon owns not only this patent but patent #5,003,186 (Welsbach)as the assignee on that is Hughes Aircraft Company, Raytheon recently received a multi-million dollar contract to manufacture planes for the USAF.

posted 09-29-2002 04:48 PM            

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Oh hey, here's a novel concept....maybe they're just contrails?

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posted 09-29-2002 08:49 PM            

And if chemmies want to put their money where their mouths are, then fine. But how are certain chemmies gonna feel when they spend money to discover ice crystals, when simple reasoning and logic would have told them the truth without spending a dime? It's so sad, really.

posted 09-29-2002 09:00 PM            

Just make sure none of ya stuck any funky "collection devices" on the airplane, so the FAA will call it airworthy (Unless you have an STC for such a device).

posted 09-29-2002 09:55 PM            

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Lewloo,
Even if the in situ analysis showed there was no contrail, it would not be a solution because the true believers would continue saying, "Yes, that was a contrail, but we know there are both chemtrails and contrails. So, we just sampled the wrong one."
But, hey, have a shot at it.

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posted 09-29-2002 09:59 PM            

Cydonaquest used to be a networks administrator and knows his computor stuff.
His avatar on the "other" site is who? YODA

He even lied to the members of mavericks sick site when he told them a few days back that he had not been to CTC for quite some time. Strange that. He posted that message on mavericks site on the same day yodabreath logged in for the first time on CTC.

A not so clever form of denial cy.
You have been caught.
You are a liar, plain and simple.
You have no credibility.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001545-5.html

posted 09-29-2002 10:53 PM            

didn't think so david...btw...I thought you got sick of it all and left ?

even if it were true, it would pale in comparison to the SICK joke that has been played on you people...by...william thomas...

a proven liar...who had intent and motive to decieve for personal gain...

stick that in your pipe and smoke it david...

posted 09-29-2002 11:03 PM            

You'd be surprised how many people have figured that out - and quite awhile ago.

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posted 09-29-2002 11:11 PM            

the only thing worse than a liar is someone who knows it and says nothing...

>>>big razberry 4 u<<<

posted 09-29-2002 11:11 PM            

BTW, anybody care to directly address my previous post? Instead of the ever redundant 'ad hominem'?

Also this statement is completely innacurate:

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only one way to find out for sure...that is with an in situ chemtrail analysis

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field emission scanning electron microscopy

The only problem is getting access to such apparatus. Perhaps you flyboys have any suggestions?

BTW, I'm not a 'chemmie'. I am really not a 'chemtrail activist', but more of a human rights activisit in general. Chemtrails are only a small piece of the pie. But any method of disclosure is a good one, and I do believe that chemical dispersion occurs. Let's take it easy on the generalization and stereotypical classification, eh? It's discrediting and defamatory.

Also, Yoda, my html has always been sharp, unlike your inability to simply close a marquee tag. ROFL. I'm also well versed in Xemacs and DAML.

Also, If you all would take two minutes, specifically read each of 'yodabreath's' posts in this thread, and then look up the definition of the word sycophant. It has two application in the english language, both of which characterize him to a degree.

Calumniate's against 'chemmies' or 'potentials' and 'possibility'.

Generalizes in accordance with his idol Canex, who he effectively displays obesquious flattery towards. You see yoda, that's what sycophancy is.

1. To calumniate against; usually against those who oppose the person you are obsequiously flattering

Yoda has no objectivity and refutes chemmies and the concepts of chemtrails relentlessly regardless of what information is presented or its relevance.

2. A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.:
To play the sycophant toward; to flatter obsequiously:

Your nose looks a little brown there Yoda. What do you think Canex? Is your physical appearence relevant here?

posted 09-30-2002 12:40 AM            

My intent is to attempt honest debate. Not deceive. It's Mark's choice as to whether he wants someone to honestly challenge you people intellectually on this issue.....(Which I have done, as evidenced by the fact that you obviously have absolutely no substantive responses). Instead of respond with actual substantive debate, you attack the messenger. So I guess truth and honest debate is not in your best interest, eh?

posted 09-30-2002 01:07 AM            

I have just a few things to say about chemmies spending their money to discover some things about the chemtrail issue.

Twice now there's been government intervention while I and others tried to find out what certain web/particuate matter contained and what other soil and water samples contain...

posted 09-30-2002 01:23 AM            

I said u were a paranoid...and stand by it...

I'd also say you were a butthole but thermit might get angry...

edited to insert the link affirming what I posted...NO BIG SECRET...

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001544.html

posted 09-30-2002 01:34 AM            

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You people are really amusing. If my intent was to deceive, do you really think I would pick something so transparent as Yodabreath?
My intent is to attempt honest debate. Not deceive. It's Mark's choice as to whether he wants someone to honestly challenge you people intellectually on this issue.....(Which I have done, as evidenced by the fact that you obviously have absolutely no substantive responses). Instead of respond with actual substantive debate, you attack the messenger. So I guess truth and honest debate is not in your best interest, eh?

If not, deletion is always an option.

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posted 09-30-2002 01:42 AM            

Well that's all I got.

posted 09-30-2002 01:50 AM            

rather than "assuming" identities of others...I thought that was what "debunkers" did...

btw dan if you have cy's ip from mav's to prove what u say..I'd like to see it

btw, I could make some pretty damn factual accusations about some of you if you care to get into it....or we could let sleeping dogs lie...I'll choose the latter...

meow

lol

posted 09-30-2002 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Yodabreath:
You people are really amusing. If my intent was to deceive, do you really think I would pick something so transparent as Yodabreath?

My intent is to attempt honest debate. Not deceive. It's Mark's choice as to whether he wants someone to honestly challenge you people intellectually on this issue.....(Which I have done, as evidenced by the fact that you obviously have absolutely no substantive responses). Instead of respond with actual substantive debate, you attack the messenger. So I guess truth and honest debate is not in your best interest, eh?

If not, deletion is always an option.

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I'm pretty sure Yoda admitted he was Cy T/S.

Let me take another look though to be sure.

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You people are really amusing. If my intent was to deceive, do you really think I would pick something so transparent as Yodabreath?

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That's what it looks like to me.