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emfx13
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posted 10-11-2002 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emfx13   Visit emfx13's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A SKY SHIELD TO COMBAT GLOBAL WARMING?

The puzzle pieces fell into place with Deep Sky's revelation that ATC radars were being "degraded" by tanker-released particles showing up as a "haze" on their screens. This radar characteristic matched the high concentrations of aluminum powder found along with a preponderance of quartz particles in Espanola's chemtrail-contaminated rainwater.

The tankers' aluminum powder emissions also matched the Welsbach patent. Issued in 1994 to the Hughes aerospace giant "for Reduction of Global Warming", the sky shield blueprint calls for dispensing microscopic particles of aluminum oxide and other reflective materials into the upper atmosphere to reflect one or two per cent of incoming sunlight. Computer simulations by Ken Caldeira at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory calculated that this would be enough to stop warming over 85 per cent of the planet, despite an anticipated doubling of carbon in the atmosphere within the next 50 years.

Lawrence Livermore priced the aerial spray program at US$1 billion dollars a year--a cheap fix to maintain massive petroleum profits in the face of Kyoto's internationally agreed carbon cutbacks.

Livermore's founder, Edward Teller, lobbied hard for another chance to play with planetary processes. At the 1998 International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies, the Father of the H-bomb presented his Next Big Idea. Having earlier pressed for detonating nuclear bombs to carve new harbours out of American coastlines, Teller now called for reflective chemicals to be spread like mirror-shades over the Earth. Or at least over allies who could agree in secret for this unprecedented geoengineering experiment to be carried out over their unsuspecting constituents.

In a draft report leaked to me soon after it appeared for peer review in May 2000, an expert panel chosen among 3,000 atmospheric scientists looked at Caldeira's computer simulations and agreed that Teller's scheme might work. But the IPCC warned against unpredictable upsets of the atmosphere, as well as against angry populaces reacting to "the associated whitening of the visual appearance of the sky".

Caldeira was so concerned he went public, warning that deflecting sunlight would further cool the stratosphere, concentrating icy clouds of ozone-gobbling CFCs that could destroy Earth's solar radiation shield.

Was the sky shield experiment already underway? Deep Sky hinted that it was.

Were the tankers involved in weather modification? Our FAA source hesitated before responding. "That approximates what I was told."

For the third interview we rephrased our key question. Were the tankers repeatedly observed on ATC radars involved in climate modification? I caught my breath as Deep Sky confirmed that this is what he was told was the object of the missions.

Here at last was our "smoking nuke" admission. After years of "airliner" double-speak, we could now corroborate Deep Sky's report of military aircraft dispensing reflective materials with an earlier report by a Canadian aviation official.

On December 8, 2000, Terry Stewart, the Manager for Planning and Environment at the Victoria International Airport, had broken this story wide open when he responded to a caller's complaint the previous day of Xs, circles and grids being woven over the British Columbia capitol. Leaving a message on an answering machine tape, later heard by more than 15 million radio listeners, the public servant explained: "It's a military exercise, US and Canadian Air Force exercise that's going on. They wouldn't give me any specifics on it."

Stewart added that he found the incident--one of hundreds reported over Canada's west coast since the fall of 1998--"very odd".

Tasked with defending Canadian airspace in the region, CFB Comox chose instead to defend a classified collaboration. "No military operation is taking place," the base information officer tersely told me when I called for details. But Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier that his information had come directly from CFB Comox. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/chemtrails.html

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posted 10-11-2002 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Intriguing to say the least!!!

Nice article.


Mech

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posted 10-11-2002 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL !

the only thing missing besides a certain name is "and chemtrails will be common knowledge by late summer"

sheesh

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posted 10-11-2002 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ATC radars are working fine. There are procedures that pilots must use if ATC radars aren't working up to snuff, and I haven't had to use them to date. Not to mention that I've physically been to several approach control facilities, and have looked on their D-BRITEs...no problems.

How many of you have actually visited an ATC radar facility?

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posted 10-11-2002 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pacer,

Ever consider that SOME radar signatures are being affected by this alleged phenomena, not just the ones that you have visited? A few radar stations don't really add up to much.

I have been to one at NAS Oceana and one on the USS Theodore Roosevelt



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Deborah
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posted 10-11-2002 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excerpt from article posted by emfx13:

.....Caldeira was so concerned he went public, warning that deflecting sunlight would further cool the stratosphere, concentrating icy clouds of ozone-gobbling CFCs that could destroy Earth's solar radiation shield.....


I'm interested in this excerpt. Thanks for posting this. Back later.

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Deborah
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posted 10-11-2002 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
.....Caldeira was so concerned he went public, warning that deflecting sunlight would further cool the stratosphere, concentrating icy clouds of ozone-gobbling CFCs that could destroy Earth's solar radiation shield.....

Caldiera's concern was completely justified.

22 September 2000
The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/22/science/22OZON.html

[NASA Documentation: 6 September 2000]
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/earth/environ/ozone/ozone.htm

It's that time of year again. As the Antarctic darkness fades and southern spring begins, the ozone layer disappears completely. This year it seems to be the worst ever. Several years ago, scientists expected to see improvments in the hole as the cut in the use of CFC's began to take effect. Now we know that global warming will also damage the ozone layer. This year's results seem to confirm that.

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The ozone hole forms only in spring because the reaction that breaks ozone molecules apart needs a certain amount of light and the presence of a substrate, polar stratospheric clouds [PSC's.] In winter, the clouds [tiny supercool ice droplets] form, but there is no light. In summer, warmer temperatures melt the clouds. Spring is the only season where both are present.

***Although global warming is heating the lower atmosphere, it is actually cooling the stratosphere. This allows more PSC's to form and act as a substrate for the ozone-destroying reactions.***
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In the past two weeks the twelve monitoring stations around the Antarctic have recorded ozone levels 50-70% lower than the pre-hole baseline. Some of the stations have recorded their lowest-ever records. The hole covers Antarctica completely and reaches as far as the town of Ushuaia, Argentina. This represents an area three times larger than the United States. END

News In Science
9 August 2002
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_643595.htm

The Contrail Effect

Excerpt:

.....DR. ANDREW CARLETON: "Most researchers, however, believe that contrails will make global warming worse because they tend to spread out and become thin over time. It is these persisting contrails that have a climatic impact; not the transient ones that form and disappear within a few minutes.".....

Nature
8 August 2002
http://www.nature.com/nsu/020805/020805-7.html

Vapour trails' effects confirmed

Excerpt:

.....DR. ANDREW CARLETON: "But locally, contrails are equally as significant as greenhouse gases,".....


My point is this: WHATEVER is being emitted from aircraft, and however people choose to classify it, it's all EMISSIONS, most of which are occurring in the upper troposphere. If there are serious efforts underway to develop and implement "prediction technology" for real-time forecasting of these EMISSIONS, there must be a pretty good reason for those efforts.

.....DR. PATRICK MINNIS: "If scientists determine that contrails are negatively impacting climate change, we could minimize their formation by predicting where they will occur and then suggesting alternate flight altitudes accordingly, when feasible,".....

Very telling, in my opinion.

Excerpted from:

National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Langley Research Center
Hampton, Virginia 23681-2199
http://www.larc.nasa.gov/news_and_events/inside_pages/2002/02-035.html

For Release May 13, 2002
RELEASE NO. 02-035 NASA Scientists Use Empty Skies to Study Climate Change


WHATEVER is blowing around up there, we all SEE IT - and we're all SEEING the same thing. And it is my strong opinion that the cumulative effect of all this CRAP is not only exacerbating surface warming, but is cooling the stratosphere and facilitating the formation of the polar stratospheric clouds upon which the chemical interactions [involving chlorine and bromine] which DESTROY OZONE are taking place.

Re-read emfx13's submission above, do some research and see for yourselves. The damned FACTUAL INFORMATION is OUT THERE. The atmospheric science community is doing a good job trying to keep up with an overwhelming set of challenges. They're not just jagging around. CONNECT a little, for crying out loud.

Did it ever occur to anyone that the debunkers have a deliberate agenda to keep people from inquiring too closely into other areas besides chemtrails??? Like CONTRAILS and THEIR effects, maybe?? THINK about it. LOOK at our skies. Not looking too good, are they?

I'm done here.

By the way, I do feel that it's a very definite probability that some kind of upper-tropospheric aerosol geo-engineering program is well underway. That is my opinion - and it's not exactly based on nothing.

Signed,
Extremely Angry tonight, and justifiably so

P.S. My personal life is going well, thank you very much.

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emfx13
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posted 10-12-2002 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emfx13   Visit emfx13's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting deborah,thanx. "The damned FACTUAL INFORMATION is OUT THERE"

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posted 10-12-2002 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech:

When ATC loses radar capability, they are required to notify aircrews within their sector that the radar is down, and then the aircrews are required to use non-radar position reports. That, and ATC has to reroute air traffic to increase seperation between aircraft in non-radar environments.

Whether the radar is out, or just degraded to where they have trouble seeing traffic, doesn't matter. They switch to the same rules as a non-radar environment.

There's only been one instance where I've had to do this in the United States, and that was at Laughlin AFB, the local approach radar system was down for a radar upgrade.

I get the idea of what you're trying to imply, Mech...that maybe it was some other radar system and not the ones I was dealing with.

However, since I fly nationwide at least 1-2 times a week, and this "chemtrail" nonsense is supposed to be a nationally occuring operation, one would think that I would have run into this degraded radar environment at least once...but alas I have not.

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posted 10-12-2002 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember...I said alleged phenomena. Where I live (in a rural area of Massachusetts) it ("chem spraying") doesn't seem to be happening.

However, when I go to places like Boston and Hartford...the skys are mostly "whited out." Caused by either Contrails or chemtrails,take your pick, even though we have had next to no precip this summer and it's been extremely dry up untill recently. These certainly aren't weather related clouds.

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posted 10-13-2002 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rainheart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great work Deborah! thanks.

I think the pieces are coming together.

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Deborah
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posted 10-13-2002 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
emfx13, rainheart -

Thank you. Let's keep going.....

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posted 10-13-2002 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech, I fly up that a-way all the time. Bedford, Otis, Westover, Hampton Beach (LI, NY), Bangor, Groton...

In fact, I'm flying to Groton/New London airport on Tuesday. Let's compare notes.

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posted 10-13-2002 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll take a look on Tuesday, It's been raining here for the past 3 days so Tuesday should be a rain free day. I haven't checked the forecast though.My own observations should not constitute a professional opinion of the Chemtrail phenomena. I can only tell you what I see that day. If it's a lingering "whiteout" like I have seen on some days...I would suspect they are something other than contrails.

But I could be wrong, let's hope that I am.It's up to everyone else out there to draw your own conclusions based on what you know.
Truth to tell...I don't consider myself to be experienced on this subject. I am much more concerned about the political agenda of our nations leaders and lawmakers at this point. That's something a lot of people really need to pay close attention to as well.You need to know what these people are doing to your future.

I respect the legitimate concerns expressed here of what may be going on in our atmosphere. Make no mistake...I am just as concerned.

Mech

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posted 10-14-2002 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've flown through skies like that quite often.

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posted 10-14-2002 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech wrote:

.....I am much more concerned about the political agenda of our nations leaders and lawmakers at this point. That's something a lot of people really need to pay close attention to as well.You need to know what these people are doing to your future.....

Indeed, yes. Thank you. It's up to us to take some responsibility for what kinds of situations we're going to be leaving the generations behind us to deal with. The Native American Elders use as a guideline the idea of thinking ahead seven generations when in the process of making decisions that will have far-reaching effects.

There isn't one person I personally communicate with regarding "issues atmospheric" who isn't also deeply concerned about issues political and economic.

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posted 10-14-2002 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
emfx13 -

What is the date on your photo posted above?

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A little research history:

15 April 1998
Academic Press: Daily inScight
http://www.academicpress.com/inscight/04151998/grapha.htm

Add to the list of rogues a possible new humanmade factor behind climate change: contrails from high-flying airplanes that spread into larger and longer lasting clouds than researchers had expected.

Satellites tracked several contrails over the United States that persisted for up to 17 hours and grew to resemble banks of natural cirrus clouds, according to a report in today's Geophysical Research Letters.

If such formations are common, contrails may have a significant impact on climate--especially in areas with heavy traffic overhead.

At high altitudes, particles in jet exhaust become seeds for ice crystals that make up contrails. Ice crystals reflect sunlight during the day, possibly cooling the ground below. They may also trap heat after the sun goes down and make the nights warmer.

In the 1960s, scientists proposed that fleets of planes could spawn enough contrails to tweak the climate in industrialized regions.

Recent satellite studies over Europe showed that contrails cover about 1% of the sky--seemingly not an important amount.

However, those satellites watched only the most obvious contrails: long, narrow streaks, many of which fade quickly.

The new research reveals that other contrails can elude detection by mutating into strikingly large, cirruslike clouds.

NASA researchers used geostationary satellites to continuously track three sets of contrails over California and the southern United States in spring 1996.

The contrails, floating at altitudes of about 10 kilometers, lasted between 7 and 17 hours and expanded to enormous sizes by catalyzing the growth of a larger cloud with more ice.

One cloud reached 35,000 square kilometers--the size of Indiana.

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At such extents, no satellite or ground-based instrument would recognize the clouds as having arisen from contrails, says atmospheric scientist Patrick Minnis of NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia. If more high clouds that look like natural cirrus are old contrails in disguise, Minnis says, "that could have a strong regional effect on climate."

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=->

Indeed, other studies point to an increase in cirrus clouds during the last 30 years, possibly due to increases in air traffic.

The contrails' tremendous size surprises atmospheric scientist Brian Toon of the University of Colorado, Boulder. "This may make the number of contrails bigger than we thought, but we don't yet know how to quantify that number," Toon says.

He adds that jet exhaust may alter existing cirrus clouds by making them denser or triggering precipitation--another poorly understood link between air travel and climate patterns.

* Definitions from the AP Dictionary of Science and Technology

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posted 10-14-2002 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why I don't understand what the big deal is about people being curious to "behind the scenes" wrongdoings. Problems tend to get solved that way! The two scientist who discovered the hole in the ozone layer were very concerned about rising UV rays in certain places so....in a natural progression....out of their own concern and curiosity DID in FACT find that the earth's protective ozone was being depleted.

Concerned people tend to get spat apon the most by the elites who go to great lengths to discredit them. It's all about power and control over thought and action. It's better if we all function like livestock and buy into everything our government and media throws at us.

Right?

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posted 10-14-2002 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deborah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech wrote:

.....That's why I don't understand what the big deal is about people being curious to "behind the scenes" wrongdoings.....


I don't see what the "big deal" is, either, Mech. As far as I'm concerned, if something appears to be out of line it's up to the individual to look into the matter for themselves. It certainly helps to consult with people who have specialized knowledge on whatever the matter in question is but, in the end, one must use one's own judgment in order to come to a working conclusion.

Sometimes this process can seem to take forever. But one usually knows when the necessary information gathering is done - and when there's been enough time to live with the combination of this information-gathering and one's own continued direct observation. Things do start to come together - and one then begins to *consciously* recognize specific patterns and correlations and start to observe that convergence.

One thing I do know for sure - the truth of ANY matter does not generally come to us until - and unless - we are ready to face it.

*;~)

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posted 10-15-2002 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech:

Today, we flew over Long Island and flew into Groton, CT. CT and MA had some broken to overcast cloud decks, but they weren't to thick, and alot of it was lower (2-4,000 feet), although there were a few high cloud decks too.

Further south, over NY and NJ, there was a pretty big area of clouds and rain (mostly clouds up around that area). Multiple cloud decks from 1-2,000 feet up to as high as the mid-30s or higher.

I didn't pay too much attention to the contrails, and it was hard to see much of anything since we spent alot of time in the weather.

However, at night over VA we flew under a British Airways 747, that left some pretty huge contrails. Impressive.

Overall it was a cool day, both on the ground and at altitude (pretty much hung around ISA all day).

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Pacer,

Beautiful blue sky up until 9:30AM Planes tracking east to west motly, 757, 767, 747, from overseas and Logan heading to O'hare and LAX etc. Temp 55F 29.12IN HG, becoming very hazy by 10:30 AM, laying row after row of contrails. By 11:00 The sky was at 90% opacity. By 12:30, the "ring" could be seen around the sun with a hand eclipsing it. It was a complete "whiteout". By 3:00 the southern weather front came in which overcasted the sky.

Granted there was lot of humidity in the air,from the previous days rain, I still found it disquieting that the whole sky which was otherwise turquoise blue in the morning was completely gone due to air traffic by noon. Contrails or chemtrails it was disappointing. Perhaps conditions were perfect for lingering effects.

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posted 10-16-2002 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PacerLJ35   Visit PacerLJ35's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech: I flew through that entire weather system that started to encroach on your area, and it basically followed us all the way from LFI (Langley AFB) to ADW (Andrews AFB) and GON (Groton). What you're describing makes sense given the weather system that moved in on your area.

"Beautiful blue sky up until 9:30AM Planes tracking east to west motly, 757, 767, 747, from overseas and Logan heading to O'hare and LAX etc."

It probably was a beautiful day because the edges of the overcast hadn't reached your area yet. However, by mid-morning the humidity in the upper levels of the atmosphere, which generally precedes a rainy weather system, started allowing contrails to form. Not to mention that 9:30 is right in the middle of the morning push for the airlines.

"By 11:00 The sky was at 90% opacity. By 12:30, the 'ring' could be seen around the sun with a hand eclipsing it. It was a complete 'whiteout'"

We didn't get to Groton until around 5 in the afternoon, where there was a significant broken to overcast cloud layer all over the area, with several broken to overcast clouds up high too. But again, it makes sense given that this weather system was moving in on your area. Before the lower-level clouds, you almost always run into upper-level to mid-level cirrus and cirro-stratus clouds, which is pretty much blow-off from the weather system.

This weather system was very humid...in many weather systems, the clouds are very stratified (layered), but sometimes it's just a solid deck for many thousands of feet. That's they kind of weather system you had yesterday. To the south of you, where the bulk of the weather system was, we would enter the clouds around 2-4,000 feet, sporadically break out into thin clear layers, but we didn't top out until the low to mid-30s. And there were several places we were cruising through the tops at FL350.

The winds at altitude were very strong...100-120 knots out of the southwest, so it was blowing some cirrus well off the the northeast of the storm system. That helped us getting to GON, but hurt us on the way home because our groundspeed was cut down to about 360 knots.

The "ring" you saw is something I always see when flying under or even through a thin cirrus layer. The cirrus ice crystals refract the light, creating a "halo" effect around the sun. I saw it several times yesterday in my vain attempt to keep my sunshade from falling off the windscreen.

I will say that once we broke out on top, everywhere from GA to CT, the sky was deep, clear blue. And that could be seen from about 30-35,000 feet.

"By 3:00 the southern weather front came in which overcasted the sky."

Yep, it did. We departed ADW around 4-ish, and it was just starting to drizzle down there, so we were able to beat out alot of the nasty stuff. But to be honest, this weather system was more or less a bunch of water moisture...no thunderstorms that we could see on our radar. This weather system was much more likely to create contrails than other kinds of weather systems, since it was derived from moist gulf air primarily.

"Granted there was lot of humidity in the air,from the previous days rain, I still found it disquieting that the whole sky which was otherwise turquoise blue in the morning was completely gone due to air traffic by noon. Contrails or chemtrails it was disappointing. Perhaps conditions were perfect for lingering effects."

One thing that you will need to realize, Mech, is that ground conditions don't have alot of bearing on upper altitude conditions. It could be very dry on the ground, but very humid up high...or it could be the opposite. The fact that it rained the days prior didn't have alot of impact on how humid the air was at 30,000 feet.

In any case, I seriously doubt that the overcast was caused entirely by contrails. The atmosphere was ripe for cloud formation, and the jets basically provided just enough extra push to create contrails. But the "whiteout" or whatever you choose to call it was essentially a high, wispy cirrus layer that pretty much covered the entire eastern US seaboard. And there's no way air traffic could create that.

You should blame the disappearance of your perfect day on mother nature. Jets or no jets, it would have been overcast by mid- to late-afternoon regardless.

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On mother nature? By 3:00 i'd have to agree. But the contrails were the primary reason for the thin opaque layer. I watched them disperse. there was a lot of high altitude heavy turbine air traffic yesterday. It definately played a role. I'd say one passed ovehead on an average of every 5 to 20 minutes. Nature was only partly to blame (high altitude moisture).

On other days when it was dry, i'd see lot of high altitude heavy turbine aircraft and it did not have the lingering effects I saw yeterday. Even NASA seem to agree a high concentration of contrails can have effects on the weather.

Ultimately, I am trying to be objective about what I saw based on what I know. I'm not an expert on these matters. I would say that it does have an effect, but one I am unable to quantify. I'll leave that to researchers.


Mech

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Deborah, once again, nice research!
(15 April 1998
Academic Press: Daily inScight)

That pretty much coincides with the publication 'Aviation and the Global Atmosphere' http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc/aviation/index.htm

or start at the home page www.ipcc.ch

Contrails are without doubt chemtrails, or they could be called soottrails, chemi-iontrails, heavymetaltrails, sulphurtrails, etc, etc.

What needs to be determined is NOT if these trails are affecting weather, (that is very well documented and now proven conclusively) but whether there is something additional going on besides the unnatural loading of the atmosphere through the everyday/business as usual scenarios we live in.

I would like to believe that all we are noticing is another physical symptom of climate change, manifesting itself through our own wanton chemical pollution. (and if that is all we are dealing with, i suggest it is a lot bigger a problem than any covert operation carried out by TPTB because the effects of climate change will certainly outlive any empire or civilization.)

However, that being said, the intent, motivation and technology exists for purposeful spraying of the atmosphere. Not to mention the development and deployment of a variety of 'exotic' weapons systems.

I will soon compile all my research in one spot.

I participated in a public talk last week on chemtrails, motivating me to bring the pieces together. A lot of work though and a steep learning curve with regards to atmospheric science and meterology.

We'll lift the veil yet.

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