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Topic: Information Request: SF6 &OKC | Topic page views:
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 11-03-2002 08:01 PM
I caught something on CTTUSA about an upcoming sprayjob the G is going to do on Oklahoma City. Sulfur hexafluoride is apparently going to be dispensed, as it was over Salt Lake City back in 2000.Try as I might, I can't find the original press release for this new operation. Threads can be a leetle hard to follow over at Yahoo.. so if anyone has the goods, feel free to share with the rest of the class!
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o'really
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Coeur d' Alene 18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 11-03-2002 08:38 PM
U.S. to Stage Mock Bioweapon Attack E-Mail This Article Printer-Friendly Version Subscribe to The Post The Associated Press Wednesday, October 30, 2002; 2:36 PM OKLAHOMA CITY –– Federal agencies plan to release harmless gases in Oklahoma City next summer to test how chemical and biological weapons would work in a terrorist attack. "The goal of this program is in domestic terrorism preparedness," said Jerry Allwine, a scientist with the Environmental Technology Division of Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. "It's important to the protection of the homeland against chemical and biological threats." A similar study was conducted in 2000 in Salt Lake City. The $4 million test, discussed at Tuesday's City Council meeting, is a project of the departments of energy and defense. It will also involve the University of Oklahoma and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The study test for July will use sulfur hexafluoride and perfluorocarbon tracer gases. Allwine said the gases are innocuous and are used to inflate athletic shoes and tennis balls. They have also been used to study atmospheric conditions since the 1960s. © 2002 The Associated Press Can be viewed at washingtonpost.com (Oct. 31, 2002)

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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 11-03-2002 09:35 PM
Thanks o'really. The DOD and DOE were the agencies responsible two years ago, as well.Federal agencies plan to release harmless gases... Allwine said the gases are innocuous and are used to inflate athletic shoes and tennis balls. Allwine and the AP are spinning this story so fast I'm getting dizzy. Nike used to use SF6 in their 'Air' product line, but I do believe this was discontinued. Now for the facts: Sulfur hexafluoride is extremely stable and long-lasting, with an estimated atmospheric lifetime of 3,200 years. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an international group of scientists set up by the United Nations, has calculated the global warming potential of SF 6 to be 23,900 over 100 years. This contrasts with carbon dioxide's global warming potential of 1 over a century. http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/mag.htm Yep, this 'harmless' gas is about 24,000 times as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2. It has also been used in experiments into (wait for it) visual invisibility systems for aircraft. Well, what's old is new again. Cross-linking to a two year-old thread at the Carnicom board that has somehow managed to escape the abyss... http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=3518.topic 
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o'really
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Coeur d' Alene 18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 11-03-2002 11:48 PM
I couldn't find the link, but I also read this was being done in Houston also. I am not totally sure but I think it was on Halloween. I've been doing some reading on SF6 ( sulphur hexafluoride). The largest manufactuer of this man-made gas in in South Africa by the name of Pelchem - started manufacturing in 1999. If this is whats being sprayed, this could possibly be a factor in the droughts all over?? I am going to look for information on SF6.
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Molliani
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Illinois 422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 11-05-2002 06:13 PM
This is one of the most interesting post's I've read in a long time. Thank's Chem and O'really
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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-05-2002 10:37 PM
the release in salt lake and the one upcoming, would be like this chem only on a somewhat larger scale, say a fat man is sittin on the 50 yard line at joe robbie stadium smoking a big ol' cigar say maybe a Fuente Fuente OpusX Robusto (50 ring)..the stadium represents earth and the fat guy's cigar smoke the sf6..... something interesting aboot sf6...
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000059.html
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 11-05-2002 11:02 PM
It is interesting, Molliani (I'm guessing o'really is struggling to get out from underneath the mountain of data on this curious gas at the moment).I guess my Mike Tyson analogy over at Mega is what inspired theseeker to become a cigar aficianado. Well, I don't like fat guys who blow smoke in my face, and that's exactly what Allwine and the AP are doing here. I have to admit, though.. terraforming is an application that hadn't occured to me previously. Bottom line is; if you want to warm things up in a hurry on earth or on mars, 'super greehouse gases' like SF6 are the way to go.
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o'really
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Coeur d' Alene 18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 11-06-2002 12:54 AM
I am impressed Chem11 with your insight as to me struggling to get out from under the mass of data, but while looking for information on SF6, I visited the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory website -http://www.pnl.gov/ .I've been there for hours...a must read is the section on congressional hearings under news & publications. You can literally get lost on that website. I'm sending Mr. Allwine an email. I'll let you know if I get a response.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 11-06-2002 01:54 AM
Mike Tyson analogyreally had not read it chem... I have a good smoke occasionally...during your favorite sport...Golf...the only reason you hate it is because you probably suck at it...admit it....  2 the topic, it's not a bad gas guys...in mass quantities could turn this planet into venus...but hell sf6 has been used in weather tracking experiments for a longtime... congrads on re-electing Jeb Bush...I'm happy 4 u  btw...I heard that early voting areas open in florida wednesday morning... dangling chad grins ------------------ T/S 
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o'really
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Coeur d' Alene 18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 11-06-2002 01:26 PM
I received this email from the Pacific Northwest National Lab regarding the "test" being done in Oklahoma. Along with this e mail I received a zip file for those interested I can try to send. He answered all my questions except one, of which I asked if this testing has been done in any other area of the US besides Salt Lake City:from the Internet (Details) Thanks for your interest in the study to be conducted next summer in Oklahoma City. You ask a good and prudent question about safety. Sulfur hexafluoride and perfluorocarbon tracer gases are completely safe and have been used internationally for decades in industrial applications (e.g., used inside of tennis balls, loudspeakers, foam insulation, gas-filled athletic shoes, sound-insulating windows, production of aluminum and magnesium, etc.) as well as conducting atmospheric studies. There are also biomedical applications as well (e.g., certain eye to fill the interior of the eye to hold the retina or other membranes in place to heal properly). These are biologically inert, non-toxic, non-combustible gases. The scientists who will work directly with the gas need no special clothing, masks or other protection. Likewise, residents are completely safe. Only small amounts (measured in grams) of these tracers will be released during the tests from the southern part of Oklahoma City (downwind). Several hundred air samplers (programmable, battery-operated boxes with a pump that fills 12 small sample bags with air sequentially based on a specified sampling program) placed throughout the city will then collect samples of air during the test. The samplers are analyzed for presence of the tracer gases collected. You are correct in stating that a similar, yet not nearly as detailed, study was conducted in Salt Lake City in 2000. The Oklahoma City test is an important study that will help us advance our knowledge about movement of contaminants in and around cities. The findings will also be used to improve and verify the nation's computer models that simulate the atmospheric transport of contaminants in urban areas. The attached PDF files will more fully explain the planned study. If you cannot read the files, I'd be happy to fax them. Hope this answers your questions. Geoff Geoff Harvey Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Media Relations (509) 372-6083 geoffrey.harvey@pnl.gov 
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 11-06-2002 07:20 PM
Thanks for taking the bull by the horns on this o'really.I was very curious as to why it was deemed neccesary to conduct these experiments in heavily populated areas. quote: The findings will also be used to improve and verify the nation's computer models that simulate the atmospheric transport of contaminants in urban areas.
Interesting that. 
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Sace
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15 posts, Aug 2002
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posted 11-07-2002 02:38 PM
More fluoride based compounds! Our loving Government sure does care about our hygiene. This operation is surely just a ploy to further the health of our teeth. Those crazy bastards sure do work in mysterious ways!
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o'really
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Coeur d' Alene 18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 11-11-2002 12:38 PM
I received this e mail back regarding my questions on the Oklahoma study and SF6 gases. My mail is on the bottom of the reply I got. I will follow up with a phone call to Mr. Harvey.:I think it would be quicker and easier to address your questions by phone rather than via e-mail. You can either contact me at the number below, or provide a number and time you might be available via e-mail reply for me to call you. Hope you're doing well this Veterans' Day. Geoff Geoff Harvey Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Media Relations (509) 372-6083 geoffrey.harvey@pnl.gov www.pnl.gov -----Original Message----- From: OREILLY309@aol.com [mailto REILLY309@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:13 AM To: Harvey, Geoffrey L Subject: Re: OKC study Dear Mr. Harvey, Thank you for your timely response on my question regarding the Oklahoma study on SF6. I do have a few more questions. One being is this SF6 sprayed on other areas of the country without notice to citizens? From what I read on the Oklahoma study, their City Council approved. Is this the requirement prior to spraying or does it depend on the city's requirement? I would also like to know if this SF6 is being used as a tracer gas, why is it done over a populated area as opposed to a desolate area? Thank you in advance.

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