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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-27-2003 03:37 PM
   
What gives me the impression that you aren't a normal person?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-27-2003 04:23 PM
So, what your saying is that you dont have any reason to believe these arent normal aircraft operations?You saw two aircraft cruising and this makes you conclude they are secret spraying aircraft? Nice.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-27-2003 05:24 PM
Nothing at all secret about them. They're as plain as day. Just as it is plain that the atmosphere is getting progressively murkier.What I really would like to know, though, is why Americans are bent on killing themselves more quickly than they are killing Europeans. As bad as things are getting here, it seems that they are much worse in the US.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-27-2003 06:11 PM
THEY ARENT. They are freaking normal aircraft. Aircraft with pilots who ate breakfast that morning reading the newspaper, brushed their teeth, filed a flight plan, kissed their families good-bye, pre-flighted the plane, flew a beautiful flight over wonderful scenery. Landed at their destination, got a hotel, called their families and told them how the flight went.....all the while someone down below is convinced, and telling everyone they can find, that they are part of an operation to kill innocent civilians by spraying chemicals on them.You seem to have no reason to believe these were strange aircraft. All you know is that they were both flying. Thats it. And from this you seem to have concluded that they are poisoning you.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 05:55 AM
You are wrong, PHX Pilot. Wrong about everything. Wrong about chemtrails. Wrong about the way history is moving. Wrong about what is going to happen to the United States in the coming months. Wrong about your own credibility and reputation. You have backed a losing horse. Start looking around now for an exit route, or a way discreetly to change sides.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 07:51 AM
Halva, look. You have no evidence chemtrails exist. I, and many other pilots, see absolutely nothing wrong about the things you keep whining about. Long persistent contrails did NOT just show up in 98. You can see them in photos from the 1940s onwards, when aircraft started becoming capable of making them. I have no clue how you can say that contrails are a vast conspiracy. Just look closely halva at one of the "chem planes". CLOSELY!!. They are normal airliners, with normal titles, with contrails emitting from the engines which become visible around the horizontal stabilizer area. Completely normal. I cant imagine how you live your life Halva, always watching the sky waiting for them to dump chemicals on you, always fearful of airliners in cruise. For your own sake, think about all my explainations. Maybe you will realize what all this really is.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 09:18 AM
I see that you are not taking my advice.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 04:44 PM
Start looking around now for an exit route, or a way discreetly to change sides.So you want me to become a chemmie? Why? So I will stop explaining how things work and enlighten people? Guess again. I dont go throwing my life into a horribly put together "theory". Why should I believe contrails are poison when they quite obviously are contrails? Everytime I read one of you post a remark saying "I saw two chem-planes cross paths to make an "X" shape, this obviously indicated chemical activity" I want to scream.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 09:37 PM
When reality hits you things are going to be very bad for you then.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 10:16 PM
When reality hits...*looks at watch* Im willing to bet quite a lot that I will be 60 years old, eating dinner, and will suddenly remember this website. I will then chuckle to myself when I realize everything that never happened. No New World Order. No Planet X crashing into the earth. No chemtrails. And this site will probably still be here spouting off the same old stuff.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 03-28-2003]
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 10:21 PM
By spouting to you mean the spouting off of the chemtrail ingredients getting poured in the tanks before flight?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-28-2003 10:34 PM
By spouting to you mean the spouting off of the chemtrail ingredients getting poured in the tanks before flight?...Which, even then, you guys still wont agree on.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 03-29-2003 10:50 PM
Carol,
Thanks for your answer and telling me what you are doing, which sounds exactly like what you SHOULD be doing at the local level (thanks also for the info on Nafeez's
new book).
But you didn't answer my main question.
As co-ordinated and co-ordinatable international initiatives
this:
http://act.greenpeace.org/ams/e?a=733&s=wr and then this
http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/whatsnew/action/actionAlert.asp should surely be the focus. They are initiatives that we can all push together, throughout the world. The truth about 9-11, which you are telling people, will merely increase the rage, which can be channeled in the first instance into stopping the war through the United Nations and then putting the criminals on trial before an international court. (Agitate for the US to RECOGNIZE this court, and co-operate with it).
What do you say? Can we use the news that you are backing "Unite for Peace" and "Make sure that those responsible for war crimes are held accountable" to increase the prestige of these intiatives and so increase support for them? They are globalist initiatives of course: putting Bush and company on trial before an international court, not before an American Court. They involve working with Greenpeace, a par excellence globalist organization.
But that is the thing to be doing at the moment I have concluded. The globalist project has totalitarian dimensions to it. But we can deal with that problem when we have successfully worked together with the globalists to put Bush and company behind bars where they belong.
And the first step is to get the United Nations General Assembly to stop the war, as it did in 1956 at the time of the Suez crisis.
What do you say?
Best,
Wayne Hall
----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Brouillet
To: Wayne Hall
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: ATTAC-Hellas: Make sure that those responsible for war crimes are held accountable
Wayne,
I'm organizing this to break the media barricade-
Update-
Mike Ruppert and Riva Enteen can come to these events! Blaine has designed some gorgeous posters. We might be able to get Mike Krasney to moderate (at least get these issues raised on Forum)... which would be great. Nafeez Ahmed is invited, but can't give me a definite yes/no for a week or so. We will wrap the Palo Alto event within an Earth Day context- I would like to include Richard Heinberg who wrote "When the Party's Over" looking at the world running out of oil and the realpolitik beneath the wars launched since 9-11... Nafeez has also just written a book on Iraq... I forgot to include the date of the Oakland Aftermath showing - so have corrected this info.... 9-11 Activist Organizing Meeting this Sunday- March 30th 2-4 pm 3220 Sacramento Street, San Francisco The purpose of this meeting is to organize ourselves to publicize/organize 9-11 events in April which will pierce the media barrier and raise publicly the big questions about 9-11- and undermine Bush's pretext for a "War on the World- including Iraq, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, all people, everywhere."
The Truth and Lies of 9-11 March 27 at the Red Vic, 1727 Haight St.
Filmed lecture of Michael Ruppert, publisher and editor of from the Wilderness. Showtimes 7:00 p.m. and 9:45 p.m. 138 minutes.www.copvcia.com - We tabled at this event and both showings sold out- the audience was very enthusiastic...
Aftermath- Unanswered Questions from 9-11
April 4, 2003
7:00PM Screening at:
Nahl Hall at the (South East Corner of Campus)
CCAC Oakland campus
5212 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94618
Phone: 510.594.3600 College Campus Number
I hope we will also be able to organize a BIG showing of Aftermath at the Herbst Theatre (holds 900+) (CONFIRMED!!!! ) in SF April 21 and at Spangenberg Theatre (holds 1000) in Palo Alto, as well as a 9-11 Teach-in (someone else needs to figure this one out)... We want to get BIG movie posters printed and plastered all over the Bay area and need lots of volunteers/help with organizing, outreach, pr.... Nafeez Ahmed, Mike Ruppert and Riva Enteen have been invited to participate in the big SF event, which hopefully will raise the questions, raise a dialogue on the "defining event" which is being used to threaten life and liberty everywhere. We need everyone's creativity, ideas, energy to logistically make these events a reality and a success- a catalyst to wake up the country and rein in the Terrorists occupying the White House. Hope to see you Sunday!!! Carol Brouillet
650-857-0927 http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html At 06:58 AM 3/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
Carol,
This is going to be an important focus for antiwar activity at ATTAC-Hellas, in conjunction with Greenpeace. What about with you? Are you going to work with them? If so we can co-ordinate.
Best wishes,
Wayne Hall
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-05-2003 04:27 AM
My son has just been on a school excursion to Northern Greece (Florina, near the Albanian border) and noticed chemtrails over Florina, over Kozani, Kastoria, near Grevena, even over Lake Prespes. He has photographs of them.Only one of his schoolmates has been exposed to any information on chemtrails and of course none of the others believed them when they said they were seeing something unusual.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-09-2003 03:36 PM
Slightly off topic, but still Greece. In the wake of the killing of the journalists in Iraq by American forces American ambassador to Greece Thomas Miller appeared on Greek television to express his regrets. But he also took the opportunity to tell his Greek audience that it would be in the interest of Greeks to spend more time watching CNN and less watching Al Jazeera.He even repeated what he said a second time, in more categorical tones, for the benefit of those who hadn't been able to believe their ears. Whom the gods seek to destroy, etc.
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nekouk
New Member
Aigina, Pireus, Greece
4 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-15-2003 02:51 PM
Today's afternoon many chemtrail flights took place over Aigina. There are Photos taken by me showing many chemtrails.
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nekouk
New Member
Aigina, Pireus, Greece
4 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-15-2003 02:56 PM
Tomorrow, 16/4/2003 the municipal council of Aigina will talk about taking a decision to ask a justice research to find out if there were srayings over Aigina.
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Shadow
Senior Member
Orange County, CA, USA
39 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 04-15-2003 05:53 PM
>>nekouk
Aigina, Pireus, Greece
posted 04-15-2003 02:56 PM
Tomorrow, 16/4/2003 the municipal council of Aigina will talk about taking a decision to ask a justice research to find out if there were srayings over Aigina.<<Thanks for your input.
Keep us informed!
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-17-2003 03:03 PM
What Nekouk tells us about Aigina also applies for Athens. It had looked as if spring was finally coming: a cloudless sky in the morning, and bright sunshine. And then the planes started. All day back and forth: for the first time I saw three planes flying on more or less the same trajectory over Plateia Victoria and two over the square of Nea Smyrni. I was in Holargos, Victoria, Omonoia, Nea Smyrni and Kalamaki and in all cases chemtrails planes seemed to be passing directly overhead. By the end of the day the sky was overcast again and the next day we were back to winter weather.If the Aigina Council finds out ways of suing whoever is responsible for chemtrails, if connections can be proven between chemtrails and the crazily torrential rains we experienced all winter, I know someone who could sue, since all one side of his house on Aigina cracked and subsided due to unprecedented levels of underground water beneath its foundations.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 04-17-2003 08:40 PM
Halva: That's the big question, who is at the root of this chemtrail thing? Many of us have our suspicions, we need exposure and proof of guilt. Thanks for your posts and Neouk"s as well, they are very much appreciated.
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nekouk
New Member
Aigina, Pireus, Greece
4 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 04-18-2003 12:49 PM
Finally the Aigina's municipal council decided on Wednesday, 16/4/2003, to ask a justice research baseb on an article of "ΕΘΝΟΣ" Sunday newsparer (16/2/2003), for positive problems in public health because of sprayinsgs over Aigina. The photos of the newest chemtrails over Aigina (15/4/2003 afternoon) were given to counci's president. I can attach and mail some of these photos to anyone who needs them
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 05-04-2003 06:24 AM
There is a visible intensification of chemtrail presence in these parts. Today for the first time I notice tic-tac-toe grids and crosses, with places coming in groups of three and from different directions.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 05-04-2003 09:13 AM
NO DAYS OFF IN NEW ENGLAND, USA. Intensification here too:::Yuck
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 06-08-2003 01:06 PM
Heavy chemtrailing over Athens the last days, presumably something to do with the strong sunlight.But going to Andros for the weekend not a sign of a chemtrail plane anywhere. The sunlight was no different to how it is anywhere else: Athens, Aigina, wherever. Why are people in Aigina getting sprayed and people in Andros, as it seems, not.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 09-06-2003 11:17 PM
Another visit to Aigina yesterday. Not many chemtrails, but those that we saw were of the on-off variety. First time we have seen this type of chemtrail over Aigina.
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