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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 12-31-2002 01:31 PM
  
Here is a photo sampler of the Dec 30 major East coast chemming:Early in the day still, notice some chems off the coast...
 Here's a handful of the 50 or so that flew just over my house!  Still early with lots of blue sky:  hmm, some didn't leave giant contrails and some did:  Most flew up with a normal contrail and then mysteriously got a case of chemmus giganticus:  What a perfect little strip of something:  
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 12-31-2002 01:33 PM
That same jet left another perfect little strip a little further down the line:  A little Photoshop magic shows two views of that first little strip a few minutes apart:  Still a little later when the next guy flys through that same little strip:  Do these "contrails" really ever go away, or just spread out like this:  Here's a few views of the same section of a new chem getting older:  Here's two into one:  OK, let's make that three into one:  Goodbye blue sky:  That was yesterday and here is the same view of today. You know that winter fog that has always been here really...  That was just right from my house. The whole East coast and beyond was getting this treatment. I am sure someone has a good explination of why 50 + jets flew over my house spewing giant "contrails" in the matter of a few hours. Yeah I heard, that they are there all the time I just don't see them right? This whole thing is so painfully obvious that I really am beginning to doubt the "good intentions" of debunkers. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!
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SoManyLies
New Member
Ontario, Canada
34 posts, Dec 2002
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posted 12-31-2002 02:38 PM
I know what your talking about by the "winter fog" where every single day of winter is a gray, hazed-over sky yet it hardly snows on these days. The otehr night I was outside and it was crystal clear at around 3 am. I could see a lot of stars and it was nice. I then saw about 6 or so planes flying around and the next morning I woke up, gray haze. It's sickening.
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Ellyn
Senior Member
1242 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-01-2003 02:22 AM
An excellent presentation of what we all have been observing for several years now. I have been observing trails like these in Spokane, Washington for three years now--since the beginning of 2000.HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Ellyn on 01-01-2003]
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-01-2003 10:01 AM
Hi Somanylies and Ellyn. look familiar??!!!
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roman
Senior Member
Marietta Ohio USA
407 posts, Sep 2000
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posted 01-01-2003 10:33 AM
That haze looks familar to me.That is what we get here in the valley.Look through some of your old pictures and you will see that it was not always this way, as some people would have you believe. roman...
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Deborah
Take It To The Limit
Flagstaff, AZ
700 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-01-2003 03:55 PM
EXCELLENT presentation, eyesopen. Thank you!Almost makes me homesick for the northeast, it's that good [and just as I remember it, I might add, although this appears to have been a particularly **fascinating** Strafe-O-Rama.] Keep it up - there's nothing like well-organized, continuous documentation. Watching quite a production here today, as a matter of fact, over Flagstaff, AZ. Dozens of long, persistent, spreading shaving cream trails just like there's ALWAYS been, 3-4 days a week at least, yeah yeah.
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 01-01-2003 05:33 PM
Congrats on discovering the NAT tracks.
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-01-2003 11:15 PM
Eyesopen, you've captured some great shots here. Almost identifyable left to right as 757/67
KC-135 DC-10 (L1011) and another 767.Excellent work!! And Pacer, once again providing valuable key information on how to determine if these aircraft are really supposed to be here. NAT tracks of course are North Atlantic tracks.
A little search on NAT tracks unveils some great websites on the routes that aircraft fly to and from the land masses. Thanks Pacer, maybe you'd like to describe to the good folks how NAT tracks work!! "Global Operations Flight Informations Resource" http://www.gofir.com/general/nat_tracks/index.htm
http://www.google.ca/search?q=NAT+tracks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta= NAT tracks and lots of weather/sat links not seen until disclosed by Pacer. http://www.natroutes.glideslope.de/
Maps and information to be downloaded on this same site covering topics such as---
"NORTH AMERICAN ROUTES (NAR) FOR NORTH ATLANTIC TRAFFIC"
Jepperson would be proud of you Pace!
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 01-02-2003 02:26 AM
The two-engined aircraft could also be Airbus A300/310/319/320 variants, while the four-engined aircraft could be a DC-8/747/A340. They aren't close enough to really show enough detail to ID them properly.As for the NATs, they fly up the Northeast coast, along Canada, and then over to Europe. Those lines you see in the satellite photo...NAT tracks. And it's not uncommon to have several aircraft flying parallel along seperate NAT tracks, hence the formation of parallel contrails. By the way, the NATs aren't some crazy secret...they are used by every commercial airliner going to/from North America and Europe.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-02-2003 08:49 AM
Sorry, I am not buying it Pacer. Hi Deborah! Good to hear from you. You must miss the cold NE winters ha ha...
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 01-02-2003 06:38 PM
"Sorry, I am not buying it Pacer."That's up to you. But the pics still show airplanes flying along the NAT tracks. Go look at a NAT chart.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:01 AM
That's up to you, says Pacer. Do tell.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-06-2003 05:51 PM
Wow. This is the first time I have seriously felt sick to my stomach because of somthing someone has said."Sorry, I am not buying it Pacer." Wow. What Pacer says is dead on true. Look at any aeronautical chart, ask any pilot, these are horrifically obvious things and all you can say is "I dont buy it"? just....wow
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-07-2003 08:28 AM
PHXPilot..... Yawn.......
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