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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 06:36 PM
   
Common_Sense: I am with you 100% here. I am a general aviation pilot, with MANY ties to commercial pilots and aviation in general. I have sat behind the wing on hundreds of commercial aviation flights across the US and not ONCE have I see anything that would tip me off to any "shady doings". I have scoured every inch of the Airbus A320 cockpit and I have seen no evidence of any sort of spray nozzle or pump switches. I have taken hundreds of photos of airliner wings inflight and, again, I have seen no nozzles or unusual spray from the wings and/or engine. Tell me, where do you think this tank that contains these chemicals is located? And how do they fill it without arousing suspicion? I have sat and photographed planes for YEARS and have not seen any sort of man drive out in a "government van" and hook up a chem pump to this magical tank. And if this tank full of chems exists, where is it located in the plane? There is VERY little extra room in an airliner in which to locate a giant tank. Not to mention that the mechanics would have no problem locating in accidently.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 06:46 PM
Doesn't mean that chemtrails don't exist.What about the fuel? Did YOU YOURSELF ever have the fuel analyzed? I doubt it. Commercial Pilots don't do that.Unless you are a puddle jumper flyer with your own plane.And most of that stuff is 100LL You argument proves nothing.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 06:49 PM
Who ever narrowed this discussion down to commercial flights anyway?
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 06:56 PM
Are you a recip pilot? What would a recip pilot know about chemtrails? Or for turbine aircraft for that matter. PLEASE DO TELL!!!!!!
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 06:56 PM
Im trying to figure out how you would figure they are tainting the fuel with the chemicals. If you put any foregin liquid in large enough amounts to create these trails in the fuel supply, then the engine performance would degrade significantly. Not to mention that pilots would immediatly realize the EGT (exaust gas temps) and every other engine performance monitoring instrument would be waaaay off of normal standards. Personally, on one of my flights, a extremely small amount of water caused my engine to fail. Now if you had gallons upon gallons of this chemical being passed through the combustion area of a jet engine the performance would degrade in HUGE amounts, immediatly tipping off the pilots to a problem.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 06:58 PM
Are we talking about TURBINE engines or RECIP engines?
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1290 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-05-2003 07:00 PM
PHX, your bio says you are a student pilot. What are you training in. Do you have a lic now other than student, if yes, what are you checked out in?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:05 PM
I am currently checked out in Cessna 152/172. But I am referring to turbine engines. Like I said, I have limited training in commerical aircraft, but most of my knowledge comes from my many, many close family friends that fly for numerous airlines. I have personally had limited training in A320 series airliners and from that I have numerous A320 manuals and maintenance diagrams and specs. My father is a flight instructor and has extensive commerical training aswell.I know what I am talking about.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:08 PM
As a Cessna 172 pilot I sincerely doubt that.Word of mouth and diagram reading doesn't make you an expert on turbine engines or fuels either. Manuals won't tell you what's in a fuel sample either.
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Sace
New Member
15 posts, Aug 2002
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posted 01-05-2003 07:12 PM
I am a pilot and chemtrails don't exist. Also, I have flawless grammar and typing skills. When people ask me what 'Discreet' is, I kick them in the genitals repeatedly. They deserve it for being such a degenerate fuck up. Because they should know that discreet is ME. I am your superior. Now present to your superior solid proof of chemtrails. In fact, just try and prove ANYTHING.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:15 PM
And what training do you have on commercial aircraft that would allow you to think you could secretly pour several gallons of a chemical into jetA without it being noticed by the pilots and engine instruments?And God knows that the airlines would have nothing to do with this as passing foreign chemicals through a turbine engine would severly cut down on time between major services on the engine. Again, I have limited training on the A320 series aircraft. I know the ins and outs of the A320. You cannot pass chemicals through the fuel system, have it ingested and combusted, and expelled without telltale indications from the engine monitoring instruments.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:19 PM
Here we go again...because they are pilots they know what they are talking about. Ipso facto...we do not?My dad is a pilot, he was also a submarine commander....he is also a nuclear physicist! He also thinks that the atmosphere has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. He DOES NOT believe in chemtrails in that we are intentionally being sprayed. Although he also told me he does not believe our government above such things. He did tell me that the law of physics dictates that what we are witnessing as "persistent contrails" "we call chemtrails" could not be simply be ice crystals, they would not and could not form into cirrus cloud coverage hanging around for hours. As Lulu puts it "ice behaving badly". There is more to it than ice crystals, and ice crystals is the definition of contrails. So if it isn't ice then what the hell is it??? Everyone here doesn't think it's mind control, global warming control, fuel dumps, our imagination...so what the hell is it? That's all. What the hell is it?
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Sace
New Member
15 posts, Aug 2002
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posted 01-05-2003 07:19 PM
Don't be silly, my fellow pilot! I have absolutely nothing to prove.Now come on, guys. Try and prove to me that fish are capable of surviving under water.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:22 PM
Welcome to the board Sace, we would appreciate it if you and your impeccable typing skills could tone down the vulgar language. Thanks. ------------------
Don't Chemplicate Life
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:24 PM
Oh don't mind me..I'm just an A&P and x-military F/A-18C mechanic. I used to work at a fuel farm too while TAD. It wouldn't be all that difficult to introduce desired chemicals in Jet fuels. They certainly did it with JP-8.There are very large CHEMICAL differences between JP-8 and JP-4 for ex.One more thing. Do YOU have access to a Military fuel depot? Do you have access to certain white, unmarked military aircraft? I didn't think so.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:29 PM
Those two types burn fine in engine because they were both jet fuel!! From what I have heard about what they are supposedly spraying on us on this site, that is NOT jet fuel. Thats why it would be so hard to secretly get it to pass through the engine unnoticed.Unless, for some reason, they are spraying jet fuel on us. Then I can uderstand the reasoning.
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Sace
New Member
15 posts, Aug 2002
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posted 01-05-2003 07:31 PM
Sorry, FLKook. I just can't get over the fact that chemtrails exist. I mean don't exist. I mean, I can't get over the fact that chemtrails don't exist......
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I'm just trying to say that unusual jet contrails that began to appear out of nowhere and have obscured the sky since the mid-90's is ABSOLUTELY NORMAL.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:34 PM
You didn't answer the questions.Therefore..your argument is null and void. Again, a Cessna 172 pilot does not make you an expert on chemtrails. Some people think chemtrails ARE coming from "spray nozzles". Iv'e never seen them on any of the aircraft I have worked on or seen...but it doesn't mean they don't exist on aircraft I don't have access to.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:35 PM
quote:
I'm just trying to say that unusual jet contrails that began to appear out of nowhere and have obscured the sky since the mid-90's is ABSOLUTELY NORMAL.
Huh? OK Sace, what? You've labeled them unusual and absolutely normal in the same sentence. They appeared out of nowhere in the mid- 90's agreed, (predominately, though I've seen persistent trail pics dated before) but how again is that normal????
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:39 PM
FLKook: I think he is being sarcastic.Mech: No I dont have access to either of those things, but the majority of photos on here and other chemtrail sites show commerical aircraft, not military, spraying. So if you limited the chemtrail argument to just military, then you may have a valid point. But on commericial flights? come on.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 07:47 PM
Well, WHO controls the petroleum industry #1.
Putting certain chemicals in fuels would be an ideal way to cover up a program without anyone suspecting anything is going on #2 Unsuspecting pilots would naturally assume these are contrails #3 Government announces that there is already a "massive remediation project taking place" (Colin powell) (chemtrail haze as a solar ray/global warming blocker)#4
I may be wrong on all counts but something is definately wrong with our skies.
CONTRAILS should not linger around in the sky for 6 to 8 hours at a time OR dissipate into a sick, nasty haze that completely opaques the sun.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-05-2003 07:57 PM
Well, its about time I posted my final thought on this thread as I have to go to a class right now. Dang sign language classes.Anyway, until I see evidence of: 1) Spray nozzles
2) Internally carried chemical tank
3) Truck transporting chems to this tank
4) A way that you can pass foreign (non fuel-related) chems though an engine I will be forced to keep my skeptical stance.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 08:09 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with being skeptical.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-05-2003 09:47 PM
One more thing....don't want to let it get lost on the last page but I have to stand up for Alex Jones at http://www.infowars.com . There isn't anything that he has said that doesn't jive with the truth that I've seen.If you can find evidence to the contrary let me know. Check out his free download of Road to Tryanny http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.ram and Bohmian Grove http://www.infowars.com/video/Ours/bg_encantation.ram and that is just the beginning. Investigate for yourself his findings. I did. He's not right wing. Just because he's a Christian. He refutes Dubya, and Clinton and all who are pro globalist anti constitutionalist. Heck, Mech is no Christian. I am. We couldn't be more apart spiritualy but we are on the same side!! It's not about Muslim, Jew or Christian...that is the ploy. We know Alex speaks truth against the New World Order. Listen up people...Wake UP!! for cryin' out loud!!
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emfx13
Moderator
Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
801 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-05-2003 10:07 PM
These are not commercial airline's that are spraying chemtrail's.Since when do commercial flight's make U-turn's?THIS IS A MILITARY OPERATION,all of you so called aviation expert's are in the dark! 
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