posted 01-05-2003 10:16 PM            

Exactly...Just like it's not about Dem vs. repub or Lib vs. conservative.

It's all about constitutionl law and our national sovereinty. Heck, it's even about OTHER countries national sovereinty.

I'm almost certain the NWO/globalists had a hand in the fogging of our skies. The ultimate purpose won't be known for a while I am afraid.

posted 01-05-2003 11:15 PM            

Again, Mech, I've asked you to provide some proof about the chemicals in fuel...you've named EDB several times, but after doing a thorough search of my own a while back, all the results of EDB and jet fuel came from chemtrail believer sites! All the other sites mentioned the two completely seperately.

Anyhow, I remember taking a class on hazardous waste management. I still have the book too. Looking in it, the standards for an EPA low-grade incinerator is a minimum 800 degree C temperature, which results in a 99% destruction rate.

The maximum continuous operating temperature for the Honeywell TFE731-2-2B is 832 degrees C, and we routinely cruise with the ITT (Inter-Turbine Temp) set at 795C.

My point being, if it was in the fuel, it would be broken down into its basic molecular compounds...ie, EDB wouldn't come out the tailpipe as EDB, nor would any kind of other chemical compound.

posted 01-06-2003 12:26 AM            

barium,webbies,EDB,anthrax,anthrax vaccine,blood cells,ad clifford carnicom nauseum...are not part of the chemicals that emit from aircraft engines...

don't gimme no "nozzel" accusations either...4 years and no picture of any yet...

now go take on the day...

posted 01-06-2003 01:18 AM            

I thought so.

Chemtrails do exist.

Some people think the "white unmarked military planes" seem to be doing the "nozzle spraying".

I still think it's in the fuel, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of the "white unmarked aircraft".

posted 01-06-2003 01:36 AM            

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12930 17 http://www.policestate21.com/ 9 http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Conspiracy/Chemtrails/ 9 http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/Politics/Political_Opinion/Conspiracy/Chemtrails/ 9 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=chemtrails 8 http://search.msn.com/results.asp?RS=CHECKED&FORM=MSNH&v=1&q=chemtrails 7 [unknown origin] 7 news://news.cisco.com/4.3.2.7.2.20030103141141.027249f8.4404%40diablo.cisco.com 6 http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/54570/ 6 http://users.ev1.net/~seektress/club2.htm

I wonder what the "Unknown origin" is...

posted 01-06-2003 01:52 AM            

one of my personal favorites from my logs is from "BART"...the "bay area transportation"...got one from a messageboard in russia for crying out loud...they really liked my "supercell' photos....

get a grip on the paranoia mech...your giving "sheep" a bad name !

lol=snort=lol=snort=lol

posted 01-06-2003 01:56 AM            

We are WATCHING YOU too.

I guess PUBLIC FREE SPEECH really scares them.

How about upholding CONSTITUTIONAL LAW once in a while?

posted 01-06-2003 02:05 AM            

my nephew (20) works for wal-mart and makes 9.75 an hour....

have you tried "workin'on those roll backs" mech ?

beats 800 a month....and you have to pay taxes on that too mech...

GOT CHA !

posted 01-06-2003 03:58 AM            

http://search.msn.com/results.asp?RS=CHECKED&FORM=MSNH&v=1&q=chemtrails

damn I'm steamed !

ok not really

posted 01-06-2003 11:23 AM            

Don't try and fob people off with "but it's military only!" You know damn well one of the KEY arguments for chemtrails (infact, all the photographic "evidence") involves commercial aircraft. Strange no?

There are theories of span-wide spraying systems, external spraying systems and these theories are complete rubbish, as shown by the complete lack of ANY spraying systems onboard commercial aircraft! However, then you nuts go onto talk about dodgy chemicals in the fuel, and when those theories are shot down you dare to critise the poster as being a lowly C172 pilot or being on of "them".

posted 01-07-2003 09:09 AM            

I assume that the planes I see every day are military. One thing I want to know is if they are being run by the Greek military or the U.S. military. In either case, there is no justification for their operations being secret, since this country is not at war, and what they are doing does not have any obvious connection with Greek national security.

posted 01-07-2003 01:08 PM            

A MECHANIC'S STATEMENT
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of A Concerned Citizen
May 19 2000

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories.

But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had never thought much about this situation until last month.

Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge
wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work. The union rep spoke up then and recommended that we take a look at the plane and see if we could straighten it all out. It was at this time that I asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their name.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK. Again I had to pick myself from off the floor. I made the connection that what had happened was directly connected to my tracing the mysterious piping. The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent
employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was what are they trying to hide and who are THEY!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across your site. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. THEY are watching me.

Well you already know what they are doing. I don't know what they are spraying but I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks they are filling the tanks of the spray system. They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all,
A concerned citizen.

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posted 01-07-2003 03:44 PM            

As someone who's got a degree in aeronautical engineering, and someone who has worked with aircraft, that person is lying. MX techs have access to all aircraft schematics. There are no hidden pipes o' doom. Seeing as both of us could be lying, it's my word vs. his. I'm sure you'll take his.

posted 01-07-2003 03:51 PM            

There are numerous photos of static dischargers out there, I'm surprised no one's noticed that they're actually hollow. Speaking of static dischargers...
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/203559/L/

The small wires are the static dischargers. Notice how a lot of them are on the outboard lowspeed aileron. How exactly are any pipes going to connect them to the wing?

Notice also how some of them are on the composite winglet, that can be removed. It's a MELable component. Strange how no one has noticed pipes running though it...

Notice ALSO the size of the wicks. You can see the fuel dump vent in that picture. Fuel passes through it. Presumably the aircraft would shed the evil chemicals in the same way. Yet notice how much SMALL the wicks are! It would be impossible to get any significant amounts of chemicals out of them - definatly not enough to form the large contrails that are so OBVIOUSLY the result of foul play.

posted 01-07-2003 05:11 PM            

Sinking of BAttleship Maine to start Spanish American War

Gulf of Tonkin lie to start Vietnam War

Incubator lie to help start Gulf War 1

Spraying of San Francisco and New York in 50's & 60's with virus and bacteria.

MK-ULTRA-make assassins like Lee Harvey Oswald

Operation Northwoods-Blow up American intersts and blame it on Cubans.

Operation Phoenix- Kill American soldiers and blame it on North Vietnamese

Tuskegee experiments - Radiation is good for you!

Operation Paperclip - Bring in them Nazis and create the CIA with them

Overthrow of Alende in Chile 1971 with CIA

Native American Genocide- Nothing to be added here!

China — 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?

Italy — 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style

Greece — 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state

The Philippines — 1940s and 1950s: America’s oldest colony

Korea — 1945-1953-The first, but not the last CIA war

Albania — 1949-1953

Eastern Europe — 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor

Germany — 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism

Iran — 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings

Guatemala — 1953-1954

Costa Rica — Mid-1950s

Syria — 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government

Middle East — 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America

Indonesia — 1957-1958

Western Europe — 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts

British Guiana — 1953-1964: The CIA’s international labor mafia

Soviet Union — Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing

Italy — 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal’s orphans and techno-fascism

Cambodia — 1955-1973

Laos — 1957-1973

Haiti — 1959-1963: The Marines land, again

Guatemala — 1960: One good coup deserves another

France/Algeria — 1960s: L’état, c’est la CIA

Ecuador — 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks

The Congo — 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba

Brazil — 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads

Peru — 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle

Dominican Republic — 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy

Cuba — 1959 to 1980s

Indonesia — 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno ... and 500,000 others ..... East Timor — 1975: And 200,000 more

Ghana — 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line

Uruguay — 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie

Greece — 1964-1974: “Screw your Parliament and your Constitution,” said the President of the United States

Bolivia — 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d’etat

Guatemala — 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized “final solution”

Costa Rica — 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally — Part 2

Iraq — 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work

Australia — 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust

Angola — 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game

Zaire — 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven

Jamaica — 1976-1980: Kissinger’s ultimatum

Seychelles — 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance

Grenada — 1979-1984: Lying — one of the few growth industries in Washington

Morocco — 1983: A video nasty

Suriname — 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman

Libya — 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match

Nicaragua — 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion

Panama — 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier

Bulgaria 1990 / Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about

Iraq — 1990-1991: Desert holocaust

Afghanistan — 1979-1992: America’s Jihad

El Salvador — 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style

Haiti — 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?

Iran/Contra - Made shredders popular