posted 01-08-2003 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by zoobie555:
Also, If you read my other posts, you see that I first noticed lingering contrails in the early 80's. You'll also find documentation of the air force dumping biological simulants as well as other chemicals over populated areas as early as the 1950's.

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posted 01-08-2003 09:59 AM            

They won't be at the same altitude. If one was behind the other, at the same altitude, you have problems of one aircraft overtaking another - at which the overtaking aircraft would need to change flight level. You also have vortex wake (wake turbulence) to consider.

If they were going in opposite directions/perpendicular, then they're not allowed at the same flight level anyway. Without RVSM, it's likely they were quite far apart vertically.

Regarding commercial aircraft and contrails, I'm merely saying how commercial aircraft do/can not produce these chemtrails. The politics of the matter aren't relevant to my original post.

Chemtrail websites again and again talk about commercial aircraft spraying chemtrails. Indeed, there are many (fake) accounts by "mechanics" and "pilots", who provide surprisingly little actual technical knowlegde and leave any REASONABLE reader questioning their authenticity.

posted 01-08-2003 05:13 PM            

I'm far from ignorant about commercial aircraft. I have outlined exactly why spraying systems are NOT on commercial aircraft.

posted 01-08-2003 05:32 PM            

It also seems you have trouble understanding what I posted, so I suggest you try reading it again. That post was far from rhetorical, whilst my others were.(were plain mockery)

posted 01-08-2003 06:23 PM            

That's not the issue here. The issue is ACTUALLY about the technical aspects of chemtrails and how commercial aircraft cannot produce them!

This isn't a thread about common sense, or politics or WHY the government would like to do this, it's about the technical side of spraying.

posted 01-08-2003 08:47 PM            

Given that you have no intention of acknowledging that the world comprises subjectivities other than your own, why do you have to indulge HERE your obvious neurotic need for reassurance that something which is happening is not happening.

Your presence here serves no purpose given that you aren not helping us find answers to the questions we are asking.

If all you want is reassurance, why not find it in the way that the majority of the population do, by watching television, getting drunk, whatever.

Or if that is too vulgar, go and read some edifying works of literature, or listen to music, or something. That will take your mind off it.

Most people frequenting this forum want to solve the chemtrails problem. If you have other needs you wish to satisfy here, there are better places for you to satisfy them, in private and without imposing on others.

posted 01-08-2003 08:56 PM            

Did you wake up one day with a sore throat, wonder why, see a contrail, and say "they are spraying us with poison!!"?

Actually, I sneezed yesterday, then I saw a bus. THATS IT!!! The buses have sneeze rays!!!!

I really see no reason to believe airliners are spraying you with chemicals.

posted 01-08-2003 10:02 PM            

Explain why, when another poster from Carnicom's board posted chemtrail information on aviation message boards, that NOT A SINGLE PILOT gave the theory even the slightest bit of acknowledgement?

So far, the ONLY things I've seen claiming to come from aviation employees is the infamous "mechanic's statement", which is at least a couple years old, and there has been nothing coming from this "source" since, and several other chemtrail believers have discovered it to be a fraud.

Then there's ALCON777 and his photos, of which Chem11 claims one of them has "CTTUSA" in the photo on Alcon's website. After asking Chem11 repeatedly to provide this website and/or a link to the photo, I was repeatedly ignored or put off....no photo providing the crucial evidence that ALCON is indeed a real pilot, or that his photos are indeed his own and not those from someone else.

Other than that, that's IT. Four to five years of "activism", and that's all they can muster. A mysterious letter from some mechanic, with no follow-up letters (and claims that it's bogus), and a poster claiming to be a pilot posting photos of contrails from within a cockpit. Heck, *I've* got photos of contrails from the cockpit view...All the real pilots on flightinfo.com and airliners.net (and the various other boards) have unilaterally rejected the theory. Those few pilots that bothered to venture onto this message board have been accused of not knowing what they are talking about, being "so-called pilots", and being disinfo agents.

So, Halva, answer this. My ID on flightinfo.com is HueyPilot. I've posted there for a couple of years. I'm also Huey Pilot at ufly.com's military flying message board. I've posted there for over 4 years. Go look it up. You'll see that the email addresses all match.

posted 01-08-2003 10:13 PM            

So the things you are telling me are of no use to me. I am not going to accept this situation as normal, and I wonder also at your motivations. Why do you hang around this forum when you are not interested in helping us solve the problem which causes us to come here?

posted 01-09-2003 02:58 AM            

deal

posted 01-09-2003 10:29 AM            

C/S and PHX, opinions?

posted 01-09-2003 11:11 AM            

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the more of you fools who have nuclear weapons...means the more of you fools that will use them....and that's not acceptable....but it is...rather clearly and consisely...common sense...

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Interesting post seeker. The U.S is the only country to have used nuke weapons of mass destruction to kill people. Think about that seeker, only the United States of America.
So that makes us, by your logic, the fools.
I also makes the U.S. a country that has killed, maimed, caused economic ruin to, and displaced untold thousands to gain what our government wants, power over the rest of the world.
How many people has the U.S. killed in the name of "peace" either directly or indirectly? Millions. How many have we displaced, how many lives have been ruined, families torn apart. More millions.

What gives the U.S. the exclusive right to posses nukes or nuc power plants?
Plain fact, the U.S. is quickly becoming the worlds and historys biggest bully. Rather Nazi-ish in my opinion.