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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-09-2003 12:02 PM
   
Nothing wrong with the U.S. I love it.It's the global banker controlled corrupt leaders I hate. They are the ones causing all the problems..not the people. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-09-2003 04:40 PM
Gas Mask, there is no way in hell I am going to read that entire site you linked to. If you give me somthing specific to comment on, then I will.But that circular contrail photo on the top is made primarily from E-3 AWACS and KC-135/KC-10 refueling aircraft. Those aircraft fly "race track" style so they can fly around a fixed position to give the aircraft that need refueling a fixed position to fly to, and the AWACS to give coordinates from a semi-stationary postion. If those were chemtrails, the government would need a slap upside the head. Wouldnt you think the most powerful country in the world would be able to spray the country without sticking out like a sore thumb? A polar bear could figure out a more concealed spraying idea than that.
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GAS_MASK
Open-Minded
151 posts, Jul 2002
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posted 01-09-2003 08:26 PM
Sometimes things are best hidden in plain sight, wouldn't you agree?Interesting to note how I sense you are accusing us of ignorance by not educating ourselves, and yet, refuse to read a simple report on when, where, and how anamalous persistent contrails form, complete with easy to read graphs. Humor me, please? I didn't post the link just to post the link. P.S. Chemtrails or not, the government still needs a slap upside the head.
[Edited 6 times, lastly by GAS_MASK on 01-09-2003]
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Squeedgie
New Member
Charlotte, NC
13 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-09-2003 10:11 PM
Ignorance.Thats what you have. Have you ever seen a contrail that lingers for 2 hours and turns a bright blue sky day into a hazy gray overcast? Contrails do not do that. Water vapor evaporates in a matter of seconds, 10 to 15 to be exact, and the chemicals in this hellish concoction do not disappear so quickly. The plane better he huge if it was to create such lingering contrails. Look into it.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece
382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:04 AM
"Wouldnt you think the most powerful country in the world would be able to spray the country without sticking out like a sore thumb? A polar bear could figure out a more concealed spraying idea than that."If the objective of chemtrails is provocation, then concealment would not be a priority. If the globalists more than "the US government" are calling the shots this is an additional motive for provocation rather than concealment. Remember the Pershing II nuclear missiles for a nuclear first strike against Soviet missile installations that were hauled around the main streets of European cities on trucks in the dead of night? Was that concealment? And indeed, as Gas Mask put it, sometimes things are best hidden in plain sight. It isn't always shrewd to be too triumphalistically on the side that happens right now to look as if it is winning. You are not anonymous to everybody.
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everetteyes
SARS4UPILOT
Everett WA
126 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-10-2003 08:49 AM
Comman semen, What does your average disinfo
agent make in a year?
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Common_Sense
Debunker
UK
68 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 11:18 AM
As to the article, unscientific, biased and with no evidence of contrails.Despite claims to the otherwise, the article fits evidence to their pre-established theory. There are many many explanations to any of the evidence gathered, yet all of it has the subtle hint that it's "not right". Ignorance, eh? I've given you facts about aircraft. I'm not being ignorant. Can you counter these facts? Thought not. And I'm guessing you've got meterological qualifications? Disinfo agent? Are you really that sad?
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 03:14 PM
but what are your credentials?
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Common_Sense
Debunker
UK
68 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 04:40 PM
I believe I've said. You don't have to believe me, but no one has yet come up with any evidence that my aircraft knowledge is WRONG in anyway.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 05:29 PM
Are you a military pilot? If so how do
you like it, If so what do you fly, and
don't you ever worry about break downs.
With the luck I have with cars at times
you'll never get me to fly. Anyways what
brought your attention to the chemtrail issue? do you feel just military types
are blamed for this and if so I bet that
really pisses you off.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 05:35 PM
Anyone ever catch that unsolved mysteries
show when they had the c 130 spraying gel on everyone in Oakville Washington? Pets
died, people got sick even the law enforcers
of the town went on record as to what they
suspect. How would you debunk this?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 05:51 PM
professor, do you see any c-130 pic's in the archive here ?are you also aware that there are not enough c-130's in stock to do the kind of operation that has been insinuated ? btw...where's mary ann ? ------------------
T/S
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 06:01 PM
I wonder what this is? 
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Squeedgie
New Member
Charlotte, NC
13 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:12 PM
To be honest, that picture looks bogus. The proportion of the aircraft and the chemtrails look a lil disporportianal but...whatever.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:23 PM
I fnally had a chance to make a run through the "report" that gas_mask posted. It looks as though the author took a pretty good first crack at this.To the author: Here are a few observations/suggestions I've noted so far. 1. You sighted no sources that I have seen so far. On page three (of my printout) "Various numbers are quoted as the threshold temperature for contrail formation:" Quoted from where? If you've used any sources from anywhere, you need to sight them. 2. I liked that you used info from Flight Explore as an attempt to identify the aircraft and there flight level at the time you observed. I am wondering if ALL comercial/private aircraft are available? I doubt all the aircraft you listed as unidentifed are military. My opinion only. 3. If you continue this research, I don't think you should not rely soley on the GOES soundings. You should at least refrence Rawinsonde observations from Lake Charles or Corpus Christi (If you continue to observe in the Houston area). You should also consider looking at Bufr soundings from the MesoETA numerical model. I think you can download a cool program called Bufkit from the internet and the downloading of model data is free. 4. I was very skeptical about you statements that the only planes with persistant contrails were ones you could not identify. You should try harder to get photographs of these and all aircraft that you are observing. This will help you re-enforce your data.
Good Luck,
F.K.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:26 PM
I don't think the pic is bogus. However I am wondering if this plane is simply leaving a visual trail for the others? I doesn't look like he is spraying. It looks like a smoke trail to me. Notice the others are not "spraying."
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:28 PM
Or somebody really think the cumulus clouds below the planes are actually something being dumped?
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 06:48 PM
I just asked a simple question.I don't think it looks like "smoke" or "wing contrails" To me it looks like they are releasing something into that cloud. Oh well.
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Feelin Kocky
A Member
Underground Weather Control Bunker
537 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 06:57 PM
The weather modification guys I've been around fly into the cloud to seed it. flying over a cloud and dropping something very light, as it appears in this photo, is very inefficient. In the pic, the "smoke" stays above the clouds, following the contours of the clouds so I doubt they are trying to drop anything into the clouds.
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muzicmanmd11
New Member
Apple Valley, MN ,USA
5 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 08:02 PM
First, that picture is fake. C130s don't leave contrails. Someone said a contrail turned into haze!? Most contrails will spread and form a cirrus cloud! That's prob what it was
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jdhowie
New Member
seattle
9 posts, Aug 2002
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posted 01-10-2003 08:29 PM
Contrails do not act like what I saw this morning I have watched the two. I live in Seattle under a jet path and there is a definite difference. Not to mention these jets only have contrails as you say over populated areas then they stop. Kind of seems like spraying to me.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 08:38 PM
looks like there cloud seeding
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-11-2003 12:24 AM
No squeeker I didn't notice we were short on c130s, I never insinuated c 130s were
doing all this, The unsolved mysteries
episode the sheriff and lots of people
in Oakville witnessed them doing some
low spraying, but 6 times in 3 weeks they
were noticed, obviously c 130 don't do
the chemtrail spraying we are all complaining
about. Those are done by jets.
Don't try to twist the context of what I wrote up there squeeker!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-11-2003 01:10 AM
my post was an answer in the context of your insinuation "how can you debunk this" and belief where you purport that if this can be done so can a "chemtrail program"...just because we are both humans does not mean YOU are half as athletic, intelligent or talented as I am... dig ? ------------------
T/S
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-11-2003 01:14 AM
1428 posts for someone who thinks were all just paranoid, kinda speaks for itself!
dig
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