posted 01-12-2003 01:00 PM            

Still, this is going to cost big bucks on the part of the airlines, and the chemtrail advocates on this board still haven't explained how airline companies are going to spend the money to modify their aircraft, carry the extra weight of all that chemical (in addition to passengers), and then loose money due to poor and inefficient performance. All this, when the airline industry has to be operating at the highest efficiency to survive? C’mon people.

posted 01-12-2003 01:17 PM            

I wish I could find that diagram again, but I'm having problems with that. I forgot what I typed originally, but basically, the spray would be introduced in the high bypass section of a turbo fan engine, and therefore miss the "hot section" altogether.

posted 01-12-2003 03:27 PM            

He thinks that for there to be chemtrail operations, far too many people would have to know for them to be kept secret.

Yet if he himself were involved in such operations, the same misplaced sense of duty that now makes him say that the operations are not taking place, would then lead him to keep his work secret. Why should other Americans be different from him, unless they were like the "chemmies" on this forum? In which case they wouldn't be employed.

Billy Joe raises similar questions, among others. Many non-debunkers also ask why there aren't more whistle blowers, leading some more straightforward patriots to concluded that the crews on the planes must be foreigners (non-Americans). I have heard that NATO has used non-American crews on other military missions in and over the United States and I know that there are both globalists and supporters of European integration who want NATO to be used as a means of control not by America but of America.

I can't answer Billy Joe's other questions, and I'd like to see those with more technical knowledge providing answer, not based on the assumption that chemtrails are fictitious and that I am delusional but on the assumption that they are a reality, as we can see they are.

posted 01-12-2003 03:39 PM            

Come on, look at the accolades and fame and adoration the whistle blowers of Enron got. They made the cover of Time magazine, people of the year for Godsake! You don't think this would be motivation for a low paid employee to blow the cover off the biggest cover-up in human history?

Get real.

posted 01-12-2003 03:41 PM            

Anyway, Your question was asking whether I thought KC-135s were spraying. Well, I really do not think that there is any spraying by anyone, but I cannot really make a 100% judgement call on the militarys actions. I only know that the airliners arent. The military MIGHT, but I doubt it.

posted 01-12-2003 11:14 PM            

No more comments like this: "......but even though its been debunked, they will continue posting photos of airliners supposedly spraying chems. And it continues ever onwards......."

I am not posting photos of airliners spraying chems. And neither are many other participants. So from this point onwards, when we see something like this happening on the forum, we will all together challenge whoever is continuing to claim that civilian aircraft are involved, and see if that helps us get closer to the truth.

And I hope that Billy Joe is going to have enough brains to understand this new way of proceeding and not put up any more posts like: "I guess this just proves that a certain segment of the population is just going to be irrational, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Also,explains why Teddy Kennedy keeps getting elected, I
think."

This posting still has the YOU PEOPLE stance, which does not distinguish between those making chemtrails claims in relation to civilian aircraft and those making chemtrails claims in relation to military aircraft. And it drags in politics, and American Democrat-Republican party politics at that, a subject which is absolutely irrelevant to the question of who or what is behind chemtrails and what their purposes are.

So, if you agree to making this distinction, let us continue together, on the same side, to investigate reality.

If you don't and are going to lapse back into the old game, I don't know what to suggest. Perhaps the moderators should expel you.

posted 01-13-2003 12:21 AM            

My point was completely relevant. You just don‘t like it because you disagree, and in your world, disagreement is a evidently a bad thing. I don’t think there’s any question that the majority of people who believe in chemtrails have a “liberal”/socialist/green, anti-military mindset. Just look at Mech’s or Chem 11’s views alone, to see verification of that. There can be no doubt of this truth if one simply reads this board. This is not a political statement, it’s a way of thinking….It’s a generalized but truthful observation of those who believe in the chemtrail issue.

I contend it’s an irrational way of thinking as evidenced in this very thread by your own demonstrated reasoning process, and failure to acknowledge points made and factual undeniable evidence presented when it differs from what you believe. You demonstrate every thing I’m saying as true by your own comments alone, yet don’t even seem to realize that the point is very valid, and you are one of the people confirming it!

And how does it relate to politics? Well the same type of irrational mentality that could re-elect Clinton, try to elect Gore, or Hillary or re-elect Teddy Kennedy to the Senate, is the type it takes to believe in chemtrails. Just my personal observation…you don’t have to agree, but I see those types of votes as irrational. It takes a person capable of strong self-delusion, and unconcerned with truth or reality, to ignore some of the points made by the pilots here, hence my point is entirely relevant. If you don’t like my point or people expressing viewpoints different than yours, and for doing so, you would suppress that person’s viewpoints by forcibly removing them, (as your remarks indicate) then you make my point especially more relevant. This tendency to suppress viewpoints that differ from your own is EXACTLY the same mentality that is common in most liberals….It’s part of what I’m describing as irrational. (Attempting to eliminate truth by banning discussion of it is irrational).

You want to just “expel” it, as if that will make the truth go away. I don’t see any difference between this mentality, and Gestapo book burning. Maybe if you just burn all thoughts that disagree with yours or if you delete them, they will go away and everything will be all better….eh, Halva? Is this how you think? ….Stating the truth and facts (like what causes standing waves in the atmosphere) is distracting to the message board in your view? The truth is disturbing to you people? Evidently so…..Hence….Irrationality is a good descriptive word.

posted 01-13-2003 04:41 PM            

Im sorry but I have not see true photographic evidence of a KC-135, KC-10 or any other military aircraft making contrails that arent normal. If I see a photo of a KC-135 with nozzles on the wings producing a large trail of chemicals, then I will be tempted to believe what you are saying is going on. But, until I see actual evidence, and not circular reasoning, or "word of mouth", I will hold my stance that there is no spraying. The contrails you and I see are perfectly normal. I see no reason to believe the USAF is poisoning us.

posted 01-14-2003 12:12 AM            

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