posted 01-06-2003 10:09 PM            

I see this pattern many times daily over my hometown of Phoenix, AZ as there is a VOR just about a mile off of the end of runway 7L.

posted 01-06-2003 10:57 PM            

The conditions all came together at the right time for this photographer to capture the event.

posted 01-06-2003 11:17 PM            

It is not about wolves.

It is not about cougars, lynx, or grizzlies.

It is not about Royal Catchfly, lily-livered whatnot or riffleshell mussels.

It is not about clean air or water or 'sustainable' anything.

It is not about 'possible habitat' for the likely extinct Indiana bat -- the excuse that USFWS is using in my part of rural Ohio to get all people out of rural areas and into high-density housing also known as killing fields.

It is not about ANY species of plant or animal or bird. It is about CONTROL.

There are a few -- obsessed with and addicted to power/greed -- who want it ALL, everything we have, especially our freedom.

They have no freedom, only their inestimable wealth (early wealth, they are bereft of moral wealth), so they want ours.

They have no work ethic, so they don't want us to have one, either.

It's not about 'protection and restoration' -- it's about CONTROL. How many of those driving this freight train of destruction actually live in 'high density housing?'

I challenge you to find even ONE employee of the Department of Interior, at the management level, that practices what he/she preaches. He/she waxes expansive and airy as the agenda to put you on a bicycle or on foot is unfurled.

The picture is painted as idyllic, the cozy little -- emphasis on that word little -- place where you will live, the 'sustainable life' you will lead. Look at the speaker's feet. Are they shod in walking shoes? Did he/she arrive at the meeting riding a bicycle and carrying a hemp briefcase (because leather and plastic are not sustainable)?

The same arrogant individuals who put on that smiling and pleasant demeanor that goes hand-in-glove with Delphi Technique meetings -- breakout groups, the little cards/pieces of paper for your questions, the ones they don't answer by saying, "So, what I hear you saying is ... " -- are the same Jekyll and Hyde personas -- AFTER the meeting, outside the meeting room -- that fix you with sharks' eyes, coldly and calculatingly, as though you're standing in the way of their goal.

That is because you ARE.

Have you ever been faced with a schoolyard bully? His strength is in bravado. He has no real strength, just a mask of it. No one is more miserable than he. That is why he picks on others. His fixation with getting what doesn't belong to him, rules him. Because he is so miserable, he wants the rest of the world to be that way, too.

posted 01-06-2003 11:24 PM            

Now, I think I understand what you are trying to convey, but my job here is to show the technical faults behind the formation of "chemtrails" so I really have no clue what this sites or even my views are on the government aspect. So I cant really respond to your post.

posted 01-07-2003 12:11 AM            

Also, not all aircraft fly at the same altitude, far from it! There are dozens of possible FL (flight levels) for airliners and other commercial traffic to fly at during the flight. Another thing, weather patterns (humidity, temperature, wind speed) can vary greatly at FLs only a few thousand feet apart.

If you see one aircraft producing shortlived contrails at 28,000 ft and another producing long billowing contrails at 34,000 ft, that is completely normal. The conditions just arent right at that 28,000 ft level.

About the "leaving little strips to make an X". Again, the weather patterns can vary greatly from one section of air to the next. Aircraft cross paths all the time, and if they happen to cross at an area that is more suitable for contrails than the surrounding area, you will see an "X" shape. They cross all the time in areas not suitable for contrails and you dont see an X.

"Heavy spray one day, nothing the next". Again, WEATHER PATTERNS. The humidity, temp, wind, dew point, can vary greatly hour to hour not to mention day to day! Just because the temp is the same on the ground, doesnt mean the same conditions exist 6 miles up!

posted 01-07-2003 04:51 PM            

About the scrambling fighters to the jet. That aircraft was intercepted because it wasnt communicating correctly with Air Traffic Controllers, and becaus hijacked aircraft usually dont talk to ATC, they had to investigate the possibility it was hijacked.

posted 01-08-2003 01:34 PM            

This "bully" will do everything in his power to keep us arguing amongst ourselves, meanwhile he SCREWS all of us right....under....our....noses.

Or...above our heads.

posted 01-08-2003 05:44 PM            

Anyway, It WAS intercepted because it wasnt talking to ATC. The contrail was how they knew the aircraft was entering US airspace unauthorized. The witnesses and pilots saw the contrail crossing the US, and ATC had no record of this spotted aircraft given clearance to enter the airspaces that it had violated. NORAD had to investigate because, lets face it, a jet flying through US airspace without giving any indication to where its going or why its not talking to ATC, is a threat.

Also, not EVERY plane you are seeing is making contrails. You only notice the ones that are leaving contrails because most of the ones that arent are too hard to see. And also, contrail formation is not dependant ONLY on temperature. It depends on humidity, dew point, and temperature, among other things. If there is a very big air mass with the conditions inside of it ripe for contrail formation of course you will see alot. Other days there is only a small layer that has the right combination of weather for contrails to form. It all depends on how large or small the airmass with the best contrails formation condition is.

posted 01-10-2003 09:36 PM            

What contrail.

It was a cloud...

it was a blimp...

it was swamp gas..

it was a helicopter...

it was uh...uh....

posted 01-12-2003 06:40 PM            

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