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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 01-08-2003 12:17 AM
   
"Even all the SUV freaks driving around are at least using the exessive amounts of fuel they consume"What's with all the SUV-bashing lately? First the eco-nuts rant about SUV gas mileage, then some guy writes a piece in our local paper saying that they are "hard to drive because of big tires and powerful engines" and pose a safety hazard...then there's the ad on TV saying SUV drivers support terrorism by consuming gas. For a little perspective: There are four full-sized trucks and one van in the top 20 selling vehicles in the US. There are only 2 SUVs on that list. Most small and light SUVs get gas mileage equal to that of a medium to large sedan. No large SUVs (the gas guzzlers) made it into the top 20 list. All four of the full-sized pickups qualify as gas guzzlers. Pick-up trucks, which many average fuel consumption less than 20 miles per gallon, make up roughly half of all vehicle sales in the US. The hypocrisy is to blatant...some Americans rabidly attack SUV owners as being spoiled, wasteful people. Yet my Isuzu Rodeo, which gets about 24-25 MPG on the highway, is alot MORE efficient than any Ford F-series, Chevy Silverado, Dodge Ram, Ford Econoline van, Chevy van, Dodge van, Lincoln Town Car, or even some of the mini-vans out there. It all boils down to the fact that some people feel SUV owners are petty, superficial "yuppies". We got the Rodeo because it had as much room as a wagon, but sat alot higher and thus had better visability. I can only imagine those people that spent all their time making that ad, jumping in their van or Ford F-150, and driving home, muttering "damn SUVs". Kinda reminds me of the time I went to Big Bend National Park, and I saw a Toyota Land Cruiser that was belching blue smoke, with a bunch of enivronmental (Save the Earth!) bumper stickers on the back. It was of course loaded with college kids on a camping trip. 
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-08-2003 12:29 AM
That kind of bunk might make it difficult to seperate the real idiots from those who are making intelligent arguments like this ""If you want to see a detailed reason why you cant pass foregin chems through the fuel system and combustion process, see the "Chemtrials donot
exist" thread.""
I guess GE won't be needing this then!
Engine having resistance to particle deposits http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6254341.WKU.&OS=PN/6254341&RS=PN/6254341 Nobody has ever thought of passing metals through a turbine
http://www.swri.edu/PatentsDB/ViewPatentList.asp I mean there would need to be a "Method and apparatus for reducing matter to constituent elements and separating one of the elements from the other elements " http://www.delphion.com/details?pn10=US03942975 Why would anyone think of doing such a thing, "add the tiny particles to the fuel of jet airliners, so that the particles would be emitted from the jet engine exhaust while the airliner was at its cruising altitude." http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=3&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=ft95&S1=5003186&OS=5003186&RS=5003186 How could they ever track such a thing http://www.spie.org/scripts/toc.pl?volume=3533&journal=SPIE http://www.lapeth.ethz.ch/~dominik/tradeoff/ Why? http://www.radarmatrix.com/ Nobody knows that there's a multitude of atmospheric projects going on out there, not even the russians http://teksty.gildia.com/kormak/chemtrail/chemtrails Maybe it's time to start over http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/bgp.html Zhang, Frey, David Chang, Ackerman and Menzel would be very dissapointed
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-08-2003 11:44 AM
LOL!
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slippery00
New Member
davenport,ia. 52804
17 posts, Mar 2002
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posted 01-08-2003 01:34 PM
hey phxpilot i wrote a couple more posts on the other thread photo gallery see if you can explain them i dont want to repeat them here would take too long cant wait to hear what you have to say don't think you'll be able to explain
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-08-2003 05:47 PM
Done and done slippery. See the thread
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-08-2003 05:58 PM
ICU812: Of course they have been trying to find ways to keep engines from getting worn down from ingesting sand, dirt, and other particles. That is why the MiG-29 has retractable filters that cover the intake while they are taxiing on unimproved taxiways and runways.The point I was trying to make before was not that you technically COULD if you werent trying to hide it or anything, but the fact that since they ARE trying to hide it from the pilots, if you passed this junk through the engine, it would be immediatly noticed by the pilots through the engine monitors. This would blow the operation. If the pilots knew they were doing this, and were OK with it, then it might be possible. But passing non combustible chems through the engine will reduce the output of the engine at least noticably.
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-09-2003 11:33 PM
>>>>>but the fact that since they ARE trying to hide it from the pilots,<<<<<<
What!!
I hope you just wrote this wrong. What F.A.C.T. that tHey ARE trying to hide it from the pilots? Maybe you know more than you're admitting to!! Tell me more about the facts! ALuminum/ Barium exist in the snow behind your heads up display. Tell me there are no KC-135's/ DC-10's/ EC-3's with ASPEX or MASS systems on them. Tell me that SWMS aren't in place and being used for weather mod. Tell me that ACE, FIRE, SUCCESS, pathfinder, SASS, ARM, TRADEOFF, triana, BACIMO 2000, CHANCES, cargsun2, SPADE, WCOMP, GEWEX, NEXRAD, UNEP, WCRP, EUCREX, INDOEX, CLIVAR, RFMP, modis and the contrail forecast are for our good humor. Tell me you've studied the 'atmospheric sciences' of weather modification and 'climate engineering' and know what the potential is. Tell me you've studied Nikola Tesla's writings. Tell me the drought won't last long, is simply cyclical and wasn't the product of anthropogenic influences. Tell me that Cambridge, Texas T&M, Colostate, Washington, U of A and so many other incredible institutions don't have the ability to apply their sciences to the atmosphere. Tell me that Zhang, Frey, Ackerman, Menzel, Lawson, Heymsfield, Aulenbach, Jensen, Wolf, Rutledge, Bodansky, Dickinson, Fogg, Trenberth, Houghton, Jamieson and Laroussi haven't figured out what to do with our ever changing climate. Tell me the 9th, 12th, 18th, 55th, 88th and the 109th are only dates on the calender.
And I'll believe you!!
Let me know if you want to do more research yet!! Not tryin' to be a hack, but there's a lot out there for all of us to learn!!
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ALCON777
New Member
Montgomery, TX / La Jolla, CA
19 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 01:07 AM
After reading this "novel" I'll be double checking my PDC for excess [*'s] and FMC loading prior to launch. Accuload with suspect entries, will prompt me to contact my load planner with a copy of this ex-"pilot's" "story"! Very entertaining! ALCON - A REAL Pilot ** CTB BS ** P.S. I did enter - - **BS** - - into my FMC last flight and the printer supplied me with a copy of the "novel"... Very interesting.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 01:13 AM
can you get anymore crytpic alcon ?------------------
T/S
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ALCON777
New Member
Montgomery, TX / La Jolla, CA
19 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 01:16 AM
Just pilot talk. Jay does supply some laughs.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 01:44 AM
I gathered that...what does jay have to do with it ?------------------
T/S
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ALCON777
New Member
Montgomery, TX / La Jolla, CA
19 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 01:50 AM
This "novel" was signed "Captain JAY"
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 01:56 AM
ha ! thought you were refering to jay not JAY...senior momment 30 years early ------------------
T/S
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ALCON777
New Member
Montgomery, TX / La Jolla, CA
19 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 02:00 AM
Hey, that's OK! I'm going to hit the sack.You have a Dandy Day...... ~ALCON - The "Senior" sleeper
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 01-10-2003 02:17 AM
Interesting...I've never seen an FMC (Flight Management Computer) with a printer before. I'm a pilot and I didn't get half of what you said...sure it's not contrived?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 02:18 AM
LOL...ME TOO...and drop in more often...nice to see posts under 500 words ------------------
T/S
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 03:10 PM
Someone here explain static wicks, yes this
does come from the mechanics statement, but
I want to know if this is bs or is it possible? and how many do most jets have,
do they run a couple on each side of the
jet? and am I correct they are basically
a ground cable?
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 03:28 PM
Static wicks are real. They are found on every type of aircraft, from little Cessna single engine planes, to high speed Gulfstream bizjets, to large "Jumbo" aircaft Boeing/airbus/embraer etc.Most often though they are on the larger sized aircraft.The static wicks come in different sizes but essentially serve the same function. They discharge static electricity into the air. if the static had no way to discharge, it could jump into the structure and cause all kinds of problems. Hope this helps.
http://www.tpub.com/air/2-29.htm
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 01-10-2003]
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 03:40 PM
well my next question is this, if you replaced one on each side for the bigger
sprayers, would that take away the function
or does there have to be several to do this?
I hope I'm making myself clear with my
question.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 03:46 PM
Well from my understanding it would take away the static protection of the surface the wick was attatched to.I find the "discharge nozzle" story hard to believe, but not impossible, although highly unlikely. I've been around medium sized jet aircraft up close and I have never seen anything like this.No pipes. Nothing like that. I think it's in the jet fuels myself. Whatever it is. Something isn't right with the skies. This is new. Contrails didn't exist for 6 hours or more when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's. I think a lot of people here can attest to that statement.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 01-10-2003]
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 04:08 PM
I know I can, Rense' site has a picture of
two unmarked and totally white jets that
were at our airport here. It wouldn't surprise me if these are indeed a couple
of the jets, they got to be taking off
from somewhere. The military encyclopedia
does speak of kc 135s and a few various
other jet types that have gone through
new quiet engines and a bunch of other
retrofittings that took place in the
late eighties and early nineties, I'll
have to look back to find exactly what the other jets were, but I'm willing to bet they
are the ones being used for the spraying.
Although most people think the sprayers
are kc 135s I don't really agree with this,
I'm thinking they are a different craft
altogether because the jets I see doing
this are not kc 135s.
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Mech
Commitees of Correspondence
The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-10-2003 04:14 PM
The Rense site has some good articles but I don't know if I completely trust some of the material at his site and much, MUCH less at Art Bell's site. He seems more interested in reptilian humanoids and things of that nature.I just can't get into that. I try to stick with what I can prove. I can honestly say that I don't have enough information to be 100% correct on the chemtrail issue but, as I said I know something is definately wrong with the sky.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-10-2003 05:25 PM
I agree with that, Art Bell has really
done nothing for chemtrails other than
to make people think it is a hoax, I
mean c mon the shadow people.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-10-2003 11:18 PM
the mechanics statement was originally written by a poster "sprayplane pilot" it is not real, if carny still has it up on his page...well...he's just dumb or desperate...there are no whistle blowers involved with chemtrails because there are no chemtrails...only contrails... art bell clearly told all those who have appeared on his show not to come back unless they had proof...well they don't...and according to willy thomas...back in late summer chemtrails would be common knowledge... are these chemtrails or contrails : 
now where's mary ann ? ------------------
T/S
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-11-2003 12:15 AM
How is the mechanics statement false, is
there something you can prove?
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