posted 01-14-2003 06:58 PM            

For those of you that don't know, LA is built on a desert. No clouds=rain=desert.
Now, if you go out past the megalopoplis and it's imported irrigation a bit, you might find yourself near Joshua Tree National Park (yep, here he goes again).

If you take a stroll through the visitor center at Cottonwood Springs, you will find an interesting presentation on why you will not likely see any cloud formations in the park. I won't bore anyone with explanations of high-pressure systems and desertification, it's enough to know that the presentation claims that cloud formation is 'rare' in Joshua Tree.

Reality, of course, tells a different tale; wall-to-wall aerosol trails blanket the sky from horizon to horizon and create artificial cloud cover almost every damn day of the week in the park now.

posted 01-20-2003 08:33 PM            

But take a look at this nice sky!

Feeling Kocky could you give us atmospheric readings for this picture taken Ridegefield, WA 1/18/03

posted 01-20-2003 10:24 PM            

Thanks,

posted 01-20-2003 10:32 PM            

The silhoutted STOP sign is a nice touch.

bjb is an exceptional photographer prof.

posted 01-20-2003 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
>>looked marginal<<

Can you post the data FK ? Thanks.

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No I can't post the data (legality issue). However, you can look at the upper air plots at:http://www.spc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin-spc/getuadata.spc?MyDate1=030118&Time1=12&MyDate2=&Time2=12&Align=V&Levels=All

To the layperson, this probably does not help much. One tool you can use everyday is the water vapor satellite images. The water vapor that you are looking at is centered around 400mb and can give you some really good clues as to whether or not the atmospere contains good deep moisture.

posted 01-20-2003 11:21 PM            

Based on your expert opinion does this jive?

posted 01-20-2003 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
Is the fact that it's taken in the morning significant FK?

Based on your expert opinion does this jive?

Are you satisfied nothing funny's going on?

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Well, I assumed it was afternoon but I don't think it mattered all that much.

Based on what I've looked at, I think there is a better than 50/50 chance that these were normal contrails. What would help me is if I can get a report/pics within 12/18 hours of the occurrance. Our database purges data after about 18hrs and we start to lose too much helpful stuff. If I PM my email address to, you could directly send the pics to me. However, you have to promise not to distrubte my email.

Let me know,

F.K.

posted 01-21-2003 05:40 PM            

bjb

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Now posted on Rense.com

From Bobbie Bonnickson
1-20-3

Saturday, January 18 we were driving from just north of Vancouver, Wa through Portland, Or. at approximately 8:30 am. We were on our way to a wedding, so we happened to have a camera on board. As soon as we departed, we were astounded by the massive number of chemtrails across the ENTIRE sky, in all directions. We snapped a few shots, most of which were taken while moving from inside the car. The photos do not convey the extent to which the trails covered every part of the sky, from the west to the east horizons. We have been actively observing chemtrails for years and this is certainly one of the most dramatic and heavy examples we have ever seen. I wish the photos could convey the overwhelming sight of the entire sky being covered in these trails, obviously laid out systematically over the Portland metro area. As we passed through Portland and on toward Eugene, Or and looked back towards Portland, most of the trails appeared to stop abruptly just north of the Portland/Vancouver area.

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And a very good question you ask Bobbie.

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These were taken Jan 18 2003 (Saturday) at 8:30 AM looking east, southeast, and southwest, from NW Portland suburbs. Wonder if it had something to do with the peace rally?

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