posted 01-09-2003 09:59 PM            

Four Theories

The first: an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the earth including the ultra violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the earth. This, it is hoped, will lower temperature on the surface of the earth and block ultra violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol sprayed by planes is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties and reflect the sunlight.

The second: is the United States Navy's, RFMP, Radio Frequency Mission Planner, military program. One of the supporting subprograms within the RFMP system is called the VTRPE computer program. VTRPE is an acronym that stands for Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation, These two programs allow the battlefield terrain to be seen in in 3 dimensions (3-D) on a television screen. The RFMP system depends on satellites to feed their images of the battlefield into the RFMP system.

The VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting", over land, to operate accurately. The government and military solved the "ducting" problem by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts, into the atmosphere over America. The chemical and electrical characterics of the mixture will cause water moisture to stay in clouds. Spraying from point A to point B will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the earth, in both directions. Barium salt chemtrails were used to support the Navy's Radio Frequency
Mission Planner over Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere. Weather control is a project of the U.S. Air Force and utilizes Nikola Tesla concepts of radio frequency radiation (HAARP) against the ionosphere above the earth. Fragile life support systems in our environment are being manipulated, tested and altered by government for military advantage. Air Force documents implied, "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is encouraged along the weather fronts and manipulated in a control fashion. It is believed microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfected weather control technology will enable a military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshire, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.

The fourth project in the atmosphere is the DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, biological detection and decontamination programs. The program also utilizes the mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol along with special polymer fibers in the atmosphere. They have released biologicals into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems.

It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that are either directly or indirectly responsible for the recent nationwide epidemic increase in cases of nose bleed, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory symptoms and a
noticeable increase in arthritis symptoms, recently reported nationwide. Chemicals illegally sprayed into the atmosphere are producing atmospheric and ground conditions detrimental to human and animal health but favorable to the growth of harmful molds / fungus. These conditions are not conducive to good health. The soluble salts of barium, an earth metal, are toxic in mammalian systems. They are absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract and are deposited in the muscles, lungs, and bone. No case data is available from the medical community on the long term effects of barium in the human body.

The programs are secret because the Federal EPA and State Environmental Quality Agencies need to "not know" about what the by-products of the metabolites of biological, illegal and harmful agents are. It's for that reason the project has been declared secret from the citizens.

posted 01-09-2003 10:48 PM            

I didn't know what barium was before today.

Last night I had this very orwellian dream and a compound called barium was a big part of this dream. I woke up and looked it up in the dictionary then researched it alittle about it on the internet.
I have had a very difficult time remembering my dreams for the last year. I used to easily remember my dreams.
I remembered the element barium from my dream last night.

My research about barium led me a website I hadn't been to before called jeffrense.com
I found a archived radio show with clifford carnicom. Listened to it and carnicom mention BARIUM. My head was spinning. The syncronicity was unbelievable.

I believe Barium oxide would easily be passed thru a turbine engine with no change. Its boiling point is to high.

posted 01-09-2003 11:00 PM            

It's a substantial risk to subject the population to Barium, a radioactive and toxic element.

Damn Government. Ha, who else would this come from...?

I really think all this sickness related to the appearances of chemtrails originates from this Barium element and its compounds such as (like you said) Barium Oxide, Barium Carbonate, AND Barium Titanate.

posted 01-11-2003 11:36 AM            

Not that theorizing is bad, mind you. It's fine. However, the theoery isn't as pertinent as knowledge gained from first-hand experience. You don't need to read a lot tounderstand chemrtails.

Just trust your experience of them.

The moment we begin to try to understand the reasons we get lost in this pseudo-scientific analysis wherein experts and expert opinion and/or "evidence" is necessary.

It's similar to people trying to understand the effects of poison gas used on people in concentration camps.

How it works isn't really the issue.

There is absolutely no good reason or good purpose derived from the chemtrail operation.

The US gov 't isn't at this alone as it is worldwide in scope.

The slowly ascending authority of the worldwide police state which resembles any fascist organization is at work behind the chemtrail operation.

They are as theives stealing our water because along with economic collapse and non-stop war, they want to gain total control over every single resource on this planet.

Most important of all resources is water.

And then there is the haze which is created when there are no clouds to absorb. This haze is created to suppress people's immune systems so that we can be more easily culled.

Perhaps the goal is to reduce the human population by half. Maybe more.

So in a sense this chemtrail operation is akin to Hitler's final solution.

The world's populationis being sprayed regularly, continually with toxic chemicals.

It's enough to be aware of what's going on. So when some gov't offers a solution to the disease, famine and drought that they have caused we don't have to go like sheep to be enslaved by the same forces who created the condition for slavery.

My take on things anyway.

Peace to all.

posted 01-11-2003 11:54 AM            

I believe they are planning to release mass plagues on the earth. Read the UNESCO plan. The UN are the biggest supporters of this as far as I am concerned.

posted 01-11-2003 02:05 PM            

I personally do not believe that their intent is to kill off the population. I don't think they are THAT untrustworthy.

I recently talked to a close friend in the airline business about it. He is an airplane mechanic for a major airline, and I hoped maybe I could get a justification to the problem on Chemtrails if I asked him.

His only response was "It's not what you think." I asked him if he was not allowed to talk about it and he said that he could, but he doesnt know enough about it. He told me that they do exist for a purpose, whether that be good or bad.

My personal belief of chemtrails is starting to evolve as my personal accounts with them begin to change as well. This worldwide operation could infact be for bad, however, I think it is more logical to say that it is for good because I see no real hard evidence of a articulated mass genocide plan being carried out by our world leaders. Don't you think something like couldn't be held in secrecy for this long? I mean even minor problems slip through the cracks...what we have on our hands could potentially be a major problem.

posted 01-11-2003 05:34 PM            

No my friend, this a grab for control of the most valuable resources on this planet.

Killing off the population, I suppopse, could be done in many ways without the chemtrail operation.

But they are most definitely causing drought, and taking (absorbing) as much rainfall as they can.

Those in power know that money is useless. And they know that vital resources like water are where the ultimate power of control comes from.

At the rate they're going, it won't be long before every water supply on this planet, every well and every spigot, is metered.

Airplane pilots and mechanics don't have any better idea about what's going on than you can by looking up and observing the operation as it takes place.

The best place to lie to everyone is right out in the open. The bigger and bolder the lie the less people are likely to believe you're lying.

Most people can't begin to comprehend the outright treachery of these deviant world leaders. Which is why they continue to get away with their deceit and treachery.

The plot will be exposed eventually with the will of God. And there is no opposition to God's will. So sooner or later the deviant world leaders will dissolve, in the same fashion that the wicked witch of the west was dissolved with nothinjg more than a few drops of water.

Only love has creative potential. Fear is stricly reactive and cannot create energy. So they will dissolve.

posted 01-11-2003 07:42 PM            

Consider the fact that because the chemtrails have minor disadvantages, they are apprehensive in revealing the true meaning behind them to us.

You must admit that we citizens are notorious for complaining about the minor disadvantages of their actions without really taking into consideration the ultimate purpose.

I suppose you are correct in saying that
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[B]...since when did the government ever do anything even remotely perceived as good for us and not shout it from the roof tops, clawing over each other to take credit whether the benefit real or imagined?[B/]

But in my opinion, chemtrails are simply balanced in their advantages and disadvantages. For this reason, it is necessary to keep the operations on a low note.

posted 01-11-2003 09:29 PM            

In CA I heard that they are outlawing 1st generation seeds for private gardens! Not commercial farmers but for your back yard. If you have regenerating plants you are not allowed to keep the seeds. I'll post the link when I find it.

My husband and I are looking in to growing some Royal Palms here in FL because we have a big backyard and they are a great markup on the market. I figured I'd start a vegetable garden too since we were going to clear some property for the trees. That is when I ran in to the site about the seeds. They governement actually prohibits the seeding of plants that are non genetic hybrids.

posted 01-11-2003 11:00 PM            

I cannot really agree or disagree with many of the opinions of people who believe/know that aerosol spraying is being conducted.

For me it is obvious.

It seems to me that many of the folks who believe in chemtrails are also religous is some way or another. But there beliefs only focus on the Chem ops as only being for negative. To kill. To sicken. To control.

I like squeedgies open mindness.

There seems to be a lot of people overlooking the greater possibilities. Many of you hit a glass ceiling in your mind called the NWO, Illumanti, Bilderberg...basically human elitest.

Do you ever ask yourself how it is that the powers that be beyond human spectrum of exsist view the hole issue? Duality says that must be balance. If chem ops are for evil purposes, is it possible that there is some counter ops being conducted for the good of man kind?

If we are truly at the whim of the elite than we are very screwed. Because the evolution of human understanding has reached a critical mass where those who are in the "know" will increase in power over those who are not. And without balance there will be a huge mass extinction of the "nots".

My mind keeps clamoring higher up this enigmatic mountain that is the chem ops. I am looking for a high cause and effect beyond human manipulation.
Whether it be God, Gods, Devil, Devils or Alien my intuition is screaming at me to look beyond the obvious.

At this moment I believe that there are 2 opposing secret govts each trying to out wit the other, to use the others ops against it.
I believe that the sun is changing possibly operating at a high vibration rate. I believe that there are many changes going on at many points. Things that no one can even imagine...much less understand. All these events whether natural or artificial are cataclysmic. No one at our level or elite level can do anything about it. The elite are trying to position themselves just like many people like you and me would like to position ourselves.
You can't and shouldn't.

I recommend letting go of the stone. Lay back and let it take you. The elite are as impotent as some bushman in the wilds of africa.

Trust me when I say your best interest are always considered. Everyone and everything matters. Its all good in the end.

I am not saying this from a christian point of view or from any others. My own religous beliefs have evolved beyond my wildest imagination. I started our as a christian but have grown far beyond all of it. I think everyone has to some degree.

Futility is the greatest evil.

I am curious why only a certain few people world wide can see it.

The pollution in Phoenix is so great that I couldn't see the downtown area from the freeway today.

Why are eviromentalist not raising hell.

I know these question may sound very naive.

Life is so very very strange. Surreal.

posted 01-11-2003 11:31 PM            

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We are so very very ignorant.

It is very true. This problem needs to be known. People need to be educated but people simply either just cant handle the truth or are skepticist of any new extrinsic ideas offered to them.

Blatantly put, people a huge slap to the face; an awakening, if you will, at the problems at hand.

"It doesn't concern me."

Cause and effect. Action and reaction. We are all indirectly tied into a furious cycle of life that effects each of us in one way or another.

What I'm trying to say here is that these chemtrails are most definitly an real issue that lacks a justification. It could either be ultimately for our good or otherwise.

At this point, it doesn't and shouldn't matter.

posted 01-12-2003 11:50 AM            

You may have changed or altered some of your beliefs but you most certainly haven't "grown beyond" Christianity.

The heart of Christianty is Love. There is no growing beyond this. This is the ultimate goal and the only objective.

There is no truth beyond this. There is no greater version of reality.

So be where you are but don't assume to look down upon Christianity. No one is above Love.

What were the positive elements of the holocaust? To be objective and fair to both sides, as it were, can you then using your judgement on the pros and cons of mass extermination argue for the good and the bad?

You see, all this balanced, objective detached, expertise is part of a grand manipulation. It's what is introduced and reinforced over and over in school and in the media. To be balanced, reasoned, fair, objective, detached. And to only trust experts, and reasoned opinion.

And this is why the deviants can spray us out in the open without so much as whisper from most.

And this is how they can tell us the most ludicrous things with straight faces, like burning jet fuel melted the world trade centers, pulversized two 110 story buildings into fine powerder that smoldered for months even though continual water was poured on the ash.

The subjective experience is the experience closest to truth. And our emotions will lead us closest to our own own truths.

Your ideas and your mind can be easily manipulated by very clever techmiques. But your emotions are what they are.

Centered in love we are authentically true human beings.

And this is the message of Christ.

Love yourself.
Love others as you love yourself.
Love God.

There is no growing beyond this, as this is the greatest truth.

posted 01-16-2003 09:46 AM            

I think you've been doing you homework! However, I think that there are probably more than four programs in existance.

"Have we ever considered that this Chem spraying could be of potential benefit (however disgusting)?"