posted 01-25-2003 06:05 PM            

from rense.com

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Paul J. Williams
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Jeff,

Just FYI, I went to the protest Saturday the 18th in Portland, Oregon (with 30,000 other people). It was my first protest for anything but I feel very strongly about the situation in Iraq. However, after standing outside all morning, I became very ill about 3:00 pm and had to go home. I was ill until about 3:00 pm Monday.

Much to my surprise, I checked your web site Monday and saw the reports on the spraying of Portland Saturday morning. I noticed that at least half of our staff was ill with the same symptoms like sore throats, migraines and diarrhea and their children were ill, too. As I worked through the week, I noticed that many of our clients and their staff members were all ill with the same symptoms. It's just not possible for the population of an entire metropolitan area to become ill from the same symptoms at the same time (everyone reported becoming ill about 3:00 pm).

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posted 01-25-2003 06:11 PM            

>>Don't you think it's uncommon to have sun/moon halos almost every day and night in the summer time? when it is very hot and dry??<<

posted 01-25-2003 06:52 PM            

6hrs? Wow. those chemicals are pretty heavy to be able to fall over 7 miles in only 6hrs.

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that they really did fall that fast. at 1200 GMT over portland at 250mb (35K ft.) the winds were blowing around 20-30 knots. A little stronger at 500mb(18K ft) 25-35 knots. Then 10-15 knots at 850mb (5K ft.) So for most of its trip to the ground, these chemicals traveled at 20-25kts. Over the course of 6hrs, that is a horizontal distance traveled of 120-150 nautical miles or about 138-170 statute miles. Darn good aim.

Now, I can tell you with much certainty, that a gas, even one that is much heavier than air will take many many hours to many days to reach the ground. In the case of contrails, if these plains were spraying something, evidence of the chemicals falling rapidly would be visually obvious. And since the contrails in queston are persistant over many hours, how can they have fallen if you can still see them at 35K ft several hours later?

These conditions over mid latitudes are actually pretty weak (as far as wind speeds go). In fact a few hundred miles east of portland on the 18th, the wind speeds would have averaged over 70kts (conservitavely). This would have hauled the chemicals over 400 miles away before reaching the ground. "Spraying" at 35K ft. is a horribly inefficient. Besides the horizontal distance to worry about, you will have spreading laterally. It is utterly impossible to target spray from this altitude.

OK, I'll answer one of your questions in another post, Lulu.

posted 01-25-2003 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
Thanks for the halo breakdowns FK. Asking (nicely) again...

>>Don't you think it's uncommon to have sun/moon halos almost every day and night in the summer time? when it is very hot and dry??<<

Awaiting (patiently) for a reply FK...

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I don't think it is uncommon to have halos when the atmospheric conditions are ripe for it. I have see halos in all seasons since I was a kid. Yes, way back in the 70s(F.K. is now dated )

If aircraft contrails are responsible for creating conditions ripe for halos, then so what? Halos form from water vapor. Seeing halos with contrails only tells me that contrails are made of water.

posted 01-25-2003 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
I've never seen a holo around the moon growing up...nor round the sun for that matter--and as a kid I was always checking out the sky.

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posted 01-25-2003 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by FLKook:
Here's the link from our discussion here. The Miami Herald link is no longer live.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000646.html

This once rare oddity is now common. Just the normal contrails up here no need to worry....

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They aren't really that much of an oddity in FL though not an everyday thing, mind you. I remember when this article was written. The guys at my office were busting a gut at how slow the news must have been in Miami that day do to write such a humorous article.

posted 01-25-2003 07:26 PM            

Photo By Mark Barton

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Mark’s photos do not show a common halo around the sun, but of something more akin to a ‘projected halo’. This is certainly unusual, and is not listed in meteorological books as amongst the common optical effects that are generated by the sun. Then again, according to experts, a triple halo is impossible – but I’ve certainly seen one!

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posted 01-25-2003 07:31 PM            

The starting altitude really doesn't matter if it takes 6 hours for the chemicals to fall. The horizontal transport will be the same.