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I'm Confused
New Member
South Florida
8 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 11:46 AM
  
About a month ago, I started to notice the streaks in the sky. I was kind of freaked out because they just didnt look normal! Then consitently, for like 3-4 days after that, I kept seeing the streaks in the sky, in the same area (SE Palm Beach, Florida). Now I see them ALL THE TIME! I looked on the net for contrails and found this site. Now I am REALLY FREAKED! All the pictures in the image database are eerily familiar. I've pointed out the "chemtrails" to friends while at the park and they thought I was nuts at first. Now, slowly more and more of my friends are noticing these same streaks in the sky, and they are concerned as well. Seems the only thing it takes to make people aware of this is to tell them to look up! Then more and more it becomes obvious that something is going on. Its been a REALLY WEIRD winter here in Florida. I've been here my whole life and I've never been so cold!! I know its nothing to some northerners, but DAMN its been consitently cold here for at least 2 months. Its not normal. I went on a little trip to a rural area north of Tampa the weekend before last and I walked out on a beautiful (but freakishly cold) morning. Blue skies and crisp air. I looked up and saw those damn streaks again. At least 10 of them...parallel to each other and I sat outside and watched them as they slowly fattened out and melded into each other, causing the previously blue sky to become overcast and dreary...and needless to say even COLDER!! Then just yesturday I saw streaks on the way home from work, and then I saw the weird rainbow blob close to the center of an X formation. What the hell are they doing to us? I cant believe its some sort of biological attack on us, because spraying is being done in Washington, DC, and I am sure THEY dont want to get sick either. Being a native Floridian, I am inclined to think that this is a weather modification thing...because I just cant understand how it is so damn cold here!!! Anyway, its a huge comfort to know that I am not the only one who has seen these things and I am not the only one concerned. Has anyone ever written to a Congressman, or perhaps someone in authority to explain these things? There is NO WAY IN HELL that this is from normal commerical jet traffic! And there is NO WAY IN HELL that those damn streaks that last for hours and hours and meld into each other are normal! 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 04:40 PM
Let me introduce myself, I am a pilot (Apperantly some people on here think I am an evil government agent, but nevermind that), I live in Phoenix, AZ, and I am what known on this site as a "debunker". I believe that these are normal contrails. And you will probably hate me for that. But let me tell my case for you.This morning in PHX, we had beautiful blue skies. Throughout the day we had a good size amount of long lasting contrails accumulating. Now, if you look outside it is about 60% covered. Most people on here automatically think "CONSPIRACY!!!" But I do not. I have come to believe, through my aviation and aviation weather schooling, that this comes about through absolutely normal contrails. The upper atmosphere today was ripe for cloud formation, but lacking a key ingredient to form these clouds....and the jet exaust provides it. The hot humid air comes out of the exaust and provides the last piece of the puzzle to create clouds. If the air the aircraft is travelling through is only marginally suited for clouds, the contrails will evaporate fairly quickly. If it is absolutly perfect for clouds, you will get a big, fat, billowy, long lasting contrail. BTW, it was 78 degrees here today. So I doubt they are trying to cause a massive cool down of the earth with these "chemtrails" you like to is happening. My 2 cents.
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 04:53 PM
How's about another 2 cents to explain why nobody ever saw these "normal plane contrails" in the 50's, 60's, hell even the 70's and 80's?Go ahead, no really, we're listening
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-28-2003 05:11 PM
2 more pennies...tired old routine.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 05:16 PM
Another two cents? Ya think im made of money? Anyway, these fat contrails did exist back in the 50s etc.. but due to the sheer number of aircraft now-a-days there is a astronomically higher percentage of jets that fly through the layers in the atmosphere that are ripe for goodsized contrails. Alot of the jets you see on "high level spray days" are not creating contrails, they ust arent in the right mass of air to make them. Back in the 50s, 60s, 70s there was not the number or frequency of flights that exist now. Airlines are leaning towards more flights with smaller aircraft then a few decades ago when they used larger aircraft for flights. Example: The Canadair Regional Jet, Dash-8, Dash-7, CRJ-700, Beech 1900, Embraer 145. Those are all small aircraft that do many, many flights per day that did not exist decades ago. Back then there were just not enough flights to raise the probability that a large amount of flights would fly through the fertile air layer.
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swamp gas
Persuader of air molecules
Jersey City
1881 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-28-2003 05:26 PM
You see, PHXPilot has inside info on all the dealings of our government. He knows every pilot, mechanic, fuel dispenser, air traffic controller, and environmental engineer, everywhere. He has an inside fast track on whether there has been clandestine affairs by said government, and you can be assured there never is or has been any secret operations carried out. Our government has always been up front with it's citizens. Don't worry...be happy...Uncle Sam will protect us. Thus Spoke PHXPilot.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 01-28-2003 05:29 PM
Hi Confused; I 'm no longer confused but I am damn mad. Some of what you see could be normal contrails, most of what you see are more likely CHEMTRAILS. Five years of observation as well as much reading (try www.carnicom.com along with many other sites) and I would bet my life that there is a methodical clandestine operation that this American government knows and approves of. You will hear much to the contrary by our in house debunkers. You will have to draw your own conclusion. Hoping you find truth.
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by PHXPilot:
...these fat contrails did exist back in the 50s etc.. but due to the sheer number of aircraft now-a-days there is a astronomically higher percentage of jets that fly through the layers in the atmosphere that are ripe for goodsized contrails. ...
Nope. Can't recall ever seeing contrails in the 80's that lingered more than what a wisp of breeze would wash away in 30 minutes. You know, those planes that left behind those fun lines of smoke... ah yes, but those lines were usually singular and unrelated, they never poofed out to the extent that they became a solid haze that lingered all day long, and they were obviously either for fun or maybe even determining air currents by seeing how the lines smeared. Try again. I didn't buy a single word of your answer. Sorry `bout that, partner.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 05:51 PM
That "smoke" is caused by the crappy turbojets they used to use before they replaced them with turbofans. Thats has absolutely NOTHING to do with contrails though.Dont be sorry though, im not the one running and hiding from the contrails. Im sure they are making me deathly ill though. Oh wait, I havent been sick in 5 years. What do these chemtrails do again?
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by PHXPilot:
[B]That "smoke" is caused by the crappy turbojets they used to use before they replaced them with turbofans. Thats has absolutely NOTHING to do with contrails though.
Oh IIIII see.... so the government replaced them with these new-fangled ones that make airplanes unwittingly alter nature's atmosphere, thusly completely altering the weather altogether...
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 06:08 PM
uuuuuuh, sure.No, they replaced them with the new-fangled ones to stop airplanes from sucking down hellish amounts of fuel in a short period of time. Like I said, nothing to do with contrails.
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 11:16 AM
>>That "smoke" is caused by the crappy turbojets they used to use before they replaced them with turbofans. Thats has absolutely NOTHING to do with contrails though.>>Which brings us right back to square one that there WERE NO CONTRAILS BEFORE THE 80's AND POSSIBLY EVEN PART OF THE 90's. Your turn. Go ahead, speak in circles some more. It just proves to us how we're right 
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I'm Confused
New Member
South Florida
8 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 12:13 PM
I thank everyone for their input. PXPPilot: I know you are a debunker, I've lurked here long enough to know that. I wouldnt put anything past our government. It cracked me up to hear the prez talking last night during the state of the union about the environment! He needs to be explaining what these damn planes are doing, poisoning our air supply! I've never, ever seen anything like these contrails before, its NOT normal and they're up to something. Ive seen lots of sky writers putting up "jesus loves you" and what not, and I've seen NORMAL contrails, that dissapate as quick as they are created. But when these "normal" as you call them contrails, spread out and merge to make a blanket of ugly clouds, and weird looking rainbow blobs that just hang there in the sky start to appear, then one would have to be totally retarded to not think something was up!I guess I am just not a trusting fool like a lot of Americans.
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o'really
New Member
Coeur d' Alene
18 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-29-2003 12:16 PM
Phxpilot - What would be the purpose then for a jet - commercial or otherwise to fly in circles?I don't live near any airport so they were not circling around waiting to land. Yesterday when there was a large break in the clouds, I watched a jet fly in a circle leaving a massive trail which dispersed into the "natural" clouds. I have witnessed the grids and lines but this was pretty interesting watching "them" make a almost perfect circle.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 01-29-2003 01:17 PM
O'really; Numerous people have reported seeing swastikas in the sky as well as circles. I have not seen them but I have seen X's. Some have also seen
silver objects darting around up there.
There is also the ongoing masking of the sun. I, many times driving great distances, have watched the planes begin their deposit of chemtrails when approaching the vicinity of the sun. It has not been an observation from just one small area. Keep watching and report the unusual. There are a variety of project's being done from coast to coast and can differ greatly.
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 04:35 PM
Your post nailed all the facts on different chemtrails and "normal" contrails from planes, as well as "making a line or two for fun" trails I'm used to seeing all my life.And yes, people ARE DUMB. Everybody I talk to replies "What? There were lines in the sky yesterday?" when the WHOLE SKY was crisscrossed like some manic patchwork quilt. When I mention it, they ALWAYS come back amazed they never saw it before I mentioned it! It pisses me off that most people are in la-la land. WAKE UP PEOPLE, THIS IS YOUR LIFE THAT YOU'RE SLEEPING THROUGH!
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Originally posted by I'm Confused:
...I've never, ever seen anything like these contrails before, its NOT normal and they're up to something. Ive seen lots of sky writers putting up "jesus loves you" and what not, and I've seen NORMAL contrails, that dissapate as quick as they are created. But when these "normal" as you call them contrails, spread out and merge to make a blanket of ugly clouds, and weird looking rainbow blobs that just hang there in the sky start to appear, then one would have to be totally retarded to not think something was up!
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 04:44 PM
WEDNESDAY-Not a single gosh-darned cloud, real or fake, in the sky today. I guess that's because YESTERDAY was the Presidential State of the Union Address... and 2 days of MASSIVELY HEAVY spraying probably calmed the masses down enough to avoid rioting since Bush is pro-war with Iraq (pictures of the 2 days of spraying, including BLACK CLOUDS) http://www.geocities.com/youarereallypathetic/page1.html Today all my customers at work were seemingly "out of their minds". Everyone was "sleepy" and irritable, absent-minded and not able to focus. One customer who is a teacher commented before I said anything that all her classroom students were out of control today, and that 1 of them has been uncharacteristically overly emotional to the point of crying since Monday (the day they started spraying, BTW). Draw your own conclusions from the facts presented.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 04:44 PM
Why does everyone assume I think that the government is great and would never hurt us because I dont believe in chemtrails? Ive said it before, and I'll say it again, I think our government WOULD do somthing like that. But I havent found reason to believe that they are. I wouldnt put it past them to do somthing that sinister. But I dont think they are.Secondly, Oh'Really: Do you know for a fact that they were airliners? There would be many, many reasons for military aircraft to fly "racetrack" patterns. It is standard operating procedure for KC-135s, KC-10s, E-3 AWACS, and others to fly these flight paths. Thats their job. Its hard for fighters to find the refueling aircraft if it is flying straight for hours, because it would end up thousands of miles away fom where it was supposed to be. Also, why couldnt the government spray us with chemicals that arent released in a giant plume of cloud? I think they could VERY easily spray us with chems invisibly. Ever spray an aerosol spray can? It comes out clear. I dont see it making a cloud in front of me. Why couldnt they spray it simply like that?
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ScaredForTheFuture
Senior Member
Orange County, CA,USA
162 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 04:48 PM
quote:
Why couldnt they spray it simply like that?[/B]
Valid point. Maybe it's not as effective, maybe it's ingested too quickly if it doesn't linger in the air longer, who knows.
But it unquestionably affects weather, that is indisputable. I still think it's up to no good though.
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SadRingoEyes
New Member
Conn., USA
4 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 06:24 PM
Scared, I've noticed the changes in people's energy levels and moods, too. At first, I thought it was just cabin fever from the especially bitter cold, snowy winter we're having. Now, though, I'm not sure. Over here, at least five or six people I know have been to their doctors for non-cold, non-allergy sinus infections. People who aren't in close contact with each other, and who live totally different everyday lifestyles. I've heard more about these sinus infections lately than the usual colds/flu/cough/stomach virus/sore throat stuff that typically spreads around during the middle of winter around here. There was also an outrageous amount of crisscross and tic-tac-toe trailing in the sky last week. I know I have absolutely no logical proof or empirical scientific data to draw even the shakiest causal relationship between the events; but I still wonder. By the way, PHX: Take no offense, because I welcome dialogue w/debunkers, but...what simple vapor contrails ooze apart sideways and shine so creepily bright white that they look like Mr. Burns sent them straight from the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant? ------------------
I look pretty tall, but my heels are high. The simple things you see are all complicated. I look pretty young, but I'm just back-dated.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 07:08 PM
Dont worry, no offense taken. But I think I have found my new nail to beat on. Why in the world does whatever they are spposedly spraying need to be so strikingly visible? If you had the same spray system on the plane that you do with aerosol spray cans, you could spew tons of the chems without leaving a retarded trail and citizens would be none the wiser. But even with that idea, just like the current theory on here, you would have to have a gigantic tank almost half the size of the fuel tanks to carry all these chemicals they are spraying, which they do not have even near the amount of room to do so. I know I have said that before, but it is a horrifically vital part of your theory that has not been fully explained.
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I'm Confused
New Member
South Florida
8 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 09:46 AM
PHXPilot:
can you at least admit that its ODD? Can you at least admit that these streaks in the sky, the strange rainbow blobs and the haze that follows SEEM strange? I mean, I wouldnt have even looked into this on the net if I thought that it was ordinary! Neither would all the countless thousands of people who have visited this site and others. Sure, some conspiracy theroies are pretty whacked! I visit lots of sites, that are hysterically funny in their paranoia, however this is something you can SEE, this is something people have witnessed happening. The trails that started off parallel to each other and then melded into each other to form a grey overcast sky in an otherwise clear beautiful day was enough for me! Doesnt the fact that so many people spread out around the world have seen the same thing happening? If not, you must be either blind or have your head in the sand. Oh, and BTW, the reason I was up in Tampa? A friend of mine, 33 years old has a mysterious brain tumor that cannot be treated. He's dying...connected? I dont know, I prefer to hope not...but I'm skeptical.
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swamp gas
Persuader of air molecules
Jersey City
1881 posts, Jun 2001
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posted 01-30-2003 11:22 AM
Confused,Have your friend with tumor check these out. They have cured cancer, without the blessings of the FDA. Cancer is big business, and many businessmen/doctors don't REALLY want a cure, no more than Oil companies want a 300 mile per gallon car, which I saw demonstrated in Los Angeles 23 years ago. http://www.cancermed.com/ http://www.burzynskipatientgroup.org
http://www.garynull.com
http://www.hippocratesinst.com/
Hope all turns out well.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-30-2003]
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I'm Confused
New Member
South Florida
8 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 03:30 PM
Thanks so much, Swamp Gas. I'll forward the sites to his family...UNFORTUNATLEY, he's already had one to many operations and now he's not the same. Uncommunicative, incontinent, no concept of time...he'll never be the same. Basically, he's been lobotomized 
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ICU812
Senior Member
Edmonton, Canada
100 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 01-30-2003 04:06 PM
Look harder PHXpilot. You ask simple questions which all have answers if you'd use some of that incredible investigate common-sense you posses.Ever hear of the 910th ASPEX and MASS? That's where the research starts. You ask! """Why in the world does whatever they are spposedly spraying need to be so strikingly visible? """ Obscuration.
Nuclei. C'mon, you really didn't know that one. """But even with that idea, just like the current theory on here, you would have to have a gigantic tank almost half the size of the fuel tanks to carry all these chemicals they are spraying, which they do not have even near the amount of room to do so.""" The missions are conducted within the limitations of the aircraft, you know that.
So just how big are these gigantic tanks that hold the spray?
Did you know that boeing is being paid billions to modify the KC-135's?
Ever wonder what kind of systems are going to be tied to the CFM56's from the belly of the KC?
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