" *IS* important. Information about how an aircraft pressurization system works, how aircraft traffic flows, instrument departures and arrivals, FAA FAR Part 91 Right-of-Way rules, ATC seperation standards, TCAS systems....they all play a part in discussing the issue.Saying that the lingo of the business is meaningless is about like telling your doctor that all that medical knowledge crap has zero to do with treating you at the hospital.
Answer me this...why do you think pilots, air traffic controllers and the like *know* and *learn* such "technological bullsh$t"? Because they want to impress their non-pilot friends at the weekend social gathering? So maybe they can pick up more chicks? Really, I want to know what you think is an appropriate time to discuss the intricacies of the federal airway system and how aircrews and air traffic controllers interact with one another. If a discussion of secret "sprayplanes" leaving patterns in the sky and reports on chem web sites claiming that pilots have been "re-routed" to avoid the spraying does NOT warrant such a discussion, then maybe all that knowledge and techno-crap really IS designed to make us aviation types look cool.
"Only thing that matters at this point is turning someone to looking up."
There are literally thousands of people who don't have to look up on a daily basis, and in fact spend the majority of their work day up there amongst these alleged "sprayers". They are the thousands of commercial pilots. And after 7 years as a pilot myself, and a full lifetime living with pilots and working with them in a non-pilot capacity, chemtrails has always either been regarded as a kook conspiracy theory, or they have never even heard the term "chemtrail". And after flying for almost 7 years, I've never seen anything that would make me suspicious.
Yet I see plenty of non-pilots, who *maybe* have been on an airliner twice in their life, stand up and make bold know-it-all statements like "those airplanes are obviously flying too close in violation of the regulations"....sure, tell me what part of the FARs that type of regulation is even covered by. Most of you probably don't know what the acronym FAR stands for anyways without looking it up.
I've seen people on these message boards that don't even understand simple basic aviation terms like "chord", "aileron" and "airfoil" try to explain to me how they think American Airlines flight 587 was sabotaged by someone cutting the hydraulic lines....yes, believe it or not someone who doesn't even know squat about a single-engine Cessna tried to argue with me about how a thrust reverser system works, implying that a sabotaged reverser caused the AA587 accident.
It's really a no-brainer why most pilots and other aviation professionals simply ignore these self-appointed experts of all things contrail-related. Sure, they may have read tidbits from various webpages. And perhaps some of the more studious have actually opened a real book on the subject. But every little morsel of real information is always supplemented by internet urban legend, speculation and other suspect "knowledge" garnered via third-parties that have an equally vacuous background on the subject.
"In a simple way of putting it, is it possible you know everything?"
This statement is an exercise in irony. Here, a non-pilot is lecturing a pilot for claiming to know more about the subject. No, most pilots don't know "everything". But they sure do know more (by a factor of 1,000) about flying than you do.
The fact is, for those of you who are techies (computer professionals), you'd laugh at the notion of me telling you that perhaps I know something about computers that you don't, especially since my experience with computers is limited to basically running IE, Word and Excel. You'd be rolling on the floor if I attempted to assert myself as knowing anything at all about programming, for example. Sure, I can gather little bits and pieces about the subject from reading "Programming for Dummies", but am I really any kind of authority on the subject? Not in the farthest reaches of the imagination.
Swap out computer programming with flying, and perhaps you will understand where I'm coming from. You can read all the websites you wish, all the "Flying for Dummies" or "Weather for Dummies" books you like, but the basic fact is you lack the breadth of experience, and as is often the case, the completeness of knowledge, to ever be taken seriously by any aviation professional.
"I happen to know a pilot..."
Right. I see this quote from time to time. But never in any way is it verifiable. I'm sure Mr. Professor has a "friend" who is a "pilot". Funny, his *one* pilot friend has seen chemtrails, but my literally thousands of co-workers, acquaintences and friends who are pilots have never seen chemtrails. And I've brought this subject up with most of them because it generally illicits some laughter on their part.
Professor, I'm sure your "friend" is real...what does he fly, and for who? If he indeed exists, do something for me. Ask him that, and to verify he's a pilot on that type of aircraft, where he's domiciled at. All those questions are pretty vague, and in no way would identify any particular individual.
"...but he see's unmarked white military jets doing it..."
How does anyone know these aircraft are military, if they are "unmarked"? I've seen alot of civilian freighters that are painted all-white, and the only markings they have are the registration numbers (called N-numbers by some) located near the tail. These numbers are too small to be seen at a distance, so the airplanes often look totally unmarked.
Most of these aircraft I've seen are old DC-8 freighters that have been modified with the newer CFM turbofan engines. To the untrained eye, they look alot like a KC-135/707 type aircraft.
The non-flying public often thinks the only freight companies out there are companies like FedEx, UPS, Airborne Express, etc. Yet there are literally hundreds of smaller freight companies worldwide that operate these older jetliners throughout the world. Part of the way they cut costs is to paint their aircraft all-white...the most basic of paint jobs. Very cheap, and very easy to care for. You start painting company logos, and the cost for a paint job goes way up.
"...how are you going to handle the transition from 'it's not happening' to 'if it's happening what does it matter anyway?'."
Most, if not all, of the people who do are labeled as "debunkers", do not believe in any kind of spraying program, good or bad. I have been visiting these message boards for nearly two years now and my stance still stands...there is no government spraying program, at least not the large-scale, non-research type. There is no plan to mitigate environmental problems. There is no spraying to help HAARP. There is no such thing as spraying to cull the population and help the NWO into power. None of it.
" Cro-Magnon Sense likes to hear himself talk about THEORETICAL knowledge he possesses"
That's another grossly ironic quote. Nearly everything the chemtrail activists present is presented in the form of a theory. None of it has been conclusively proven. So all of their "evidence", knowledge and assertations are made as theories.
The pilots that habit this board present their case based upon their experiences, and the applied knowledge they have gained from using those "book smarts" in the real world. The knowledge any pilot who has ever left the ground in an airplane can hardly be called "theoretical".
"You guys act like putting a spray
system on a jet is like building a super
conducter."
Yes, something like that. The nature of aircraft dictates that it's not a simple case of bolting on equipment and happily blasting off into the wild blue. If you build a system, any kind of system, it changes the weight distribution of an aircraft. This affects flying qualities. Any system that is exposed to the airstream also affects flying qualities. Shifts in weight distribution can affect drag coefficients, stall qualities, and change things even as minute as landing speeds.
Aside from the aerodynamic affects, a system also affects an aircraft from other standpoints. Any spray system is going to require some kind of electrical circuitry. This will affect the total electrical load on the affected electrical bus, affect how the generator carries the load, and will affect how the voltage regulators, and generator regulators work. It will require fire testing to make sure any electrical fire won't adversely endanger the aircraft.
If it's a large spray system, it may even have hydraulic components to it, which again affect the hydraulic systems. Then you get into things like how the crew will employ the system. What will be the defined operating limits of the system? What will be the operating procedures? What about emergency procedures? What if one chemical tank is pumping faster than another, creating an unbalance?
Adding things to airplanes isn't like adding things to a car. In a car, you pull over when things go wrong. In an airplane, things get very exiciting when the crap hits the fan, and can lead to disaster quickly. Which is why anything and everything added to an aircraft is tested and engineered for effectiveness, safety and efficiency.
What a waste if you find out the system you added made the airplane crash, or caused an onboard system to fail, or didn't even work like you thought it would because the aircraft's wake disturbed the spray pattern in just the right way.
Even adding something as minor as an improved light system on a Cessna requires an STC, or Supplemental Type Certificate. The STC means that the system has been engineered to ensure it won't adversely affect the aircraft.
Well, I'm sure I'll get the obligatory posts saying things like "what, you think you know everything, Mr. Smarty-pants Pilot?" or "your attempts to impress us by your pilot-speak means nothing" or "you're a paid government agent". The usual. I'd expect nothing less. It's come down to me posting this stuff, and I simply can't wait to see the off-the-wall replies I get. It's actually somewhat amusing at times.
Anyways, I've got to get up at 3AM, so I'm off to bed. Gotta go spread contrails across Texas tomorrow.
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