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Topic: Gotta Rant!!!! Please forgive me. | Topic page views:
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adonis777
New Member

Phoenix, AZ USA 13 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 07:21 PM
PHXpilot you crack me up.You are either a complete idiot or a shill. Can't be anything else. I live in Phoenix and what we got to today was anything but simple contrails. Simple very simple obsevation on a regular basis can elude to the fact that what happened over Phoenix today was anything but normal. Folks, today we had the most spectacular chem show I have ever seen for real or in pictures. We had 5 lane parallels, x's, dog legs, east and west, north and south and every other direction, dark trails and silver orbs (first time I saw one of those today). We also had with the aerosol spraying show many normal contrails. Of course chemtrail Centrals resident shill/debunker PHXpilot always has a stupendous explination for why 100% of the sky is a white milky/brown soup. Yes the so called normal contrails seems to leave high altitude brown somethings in the sky. I photo documented the show today for my own record. Folks I suggest you totally disregard any and all debunkers on this website. Draw your own conclusions. Todays show in phoenix I know must have woke a few more people up. But a few is not enough. PHXpilot you keep flying your balsa wood wind up toy air planes and dreaming of flying your own megasprayer someday.  We all know why you and your buddies spend so much time with us  Its seems that several of the non debunkers love to debate meaningless babble about non important technical bullsh!t with you. Its my conclusion that 75% of the chemtrail theorist can't see the forest for the trees. They are so busy with the whys, whats, hows, wheres that most people who ask whats up with the sky get a litany of crap enough make most debunker mentally constipated. Go to any chem site and you will have to scroll through endless pages crap both chemtrail and non chemtrail topics. I am going to say for you all here. The whys, whats, hows, wheres are as important as getting someone to look and ask the fundamental question of "Is that a contrail or not". Do you people realize how few people got a clue? If you did know the whys, whats, hows, wheres, it wouldn't you any good because know one gives a damn. Spend your time getting someone to give a damn. Don't waste it arguing with a shill/debunker about RH, altitude plane types crap or whether its weather mod or people modification. Only thing that matters at this point is turning someone to looking up. I got plans and ideas for doing just that 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 07:40 PM
technical bullsh!t They are so busy with the whys, whats, hows, wheres that most people who ask whats up with the sky get a litany of crap enough make most debunker mentally constipated. Don't waste it arguing with a shill/debunker about RH, altitude plane types crap or whether its This is what I dont understand. You seem to always avoid any sort of argument tht involves technical info. Technical info is how you learn about things!!! You could say that your blender is run by magical flower power and I would try to explain how the blender ACTUALLY works, but then you would say, "spare me your technical mumbojumbo." You need technical info to understand how things work.

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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 07:47 PM
Also, I certainly saw the "show" today. As soon as I saw a contrail this morning, I kept constant tabs on the sky because I was 100% sure it would show up on this site. And it did. BTW, the contrails started on the western side of the city and continued out till the western horizon. The "whiteout" only occured in the western portion of the sky. I guess they missed most of Phoenix. Need better maps? The airmass with good contrail forming conditions was hovering out west of the city. Thats why almost every plane that was making contrails was only making them mostly out west of the valley.BTW, didnt you say once that you were a pilot? Or at least you posted photos from a cockpit. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 08:03 PM
And why in the world to you keep calling me a government shill???? If I try to explain somthing to you, you automatically assume I have been sent by the evil US government to lead you all astray. I have had a good laugh over that many times. I would be the worst agent you could imagine.BTW, debunkers that were previously on this site assure me that I will eventually be banished from here. If thats the case, I wont shed a tear over it. I came here trying to explain to you the problems with your theorys of airplanes spraying chemicals on us, and I have done just that. Ive done my part. I dont think there is much more I could tell you. And if there is somthing else, you will just say im working for the shady government if not tell me to "choke on my f*#^# dinner you lying pig." as some on here have done. Oh well. 
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adonis777
New Member

Phoenix, AZ USA 13 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 11:12 PM
I am not going to argue with you fool.My wife works in East Phoenix. The aerosol operation was being conducted within 50 miles of phoenix in ANY direction. I got photos to prove it! I bet you loved Clintons "technical" defination of what the word "is" is? Didn't ya! lmao  The debunkers loved to flood a post with all their BS comments. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 11:24 PM
Ooooooh, why do you have to resort to name calling? I just spent a good amount of time figuring out a response, whch turned into multiple responses, to your post which is primarily mocking me, and all you can respond with is calling me a fool. Dont you have any other responses on any of my other comments?
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adonis777
New Member

Phoenix, AZ USA 13 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 11:26 PM
nope  
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-28-2003 11:28 PM
lol, nice.Well, Im just sitting here watching The Simpsons. Ill be waiting if you ever change your mind.  
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 01-29-2003 09:10 PM
Adonis; Just thought you'd like to know, you are an asset to CTC.    
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-29-2003 11:56 PM
Whoa hold on here guys... PHX your beating a deadhorse on this issue with trying to debunk what many of us are seeing. It's been tried by many I can assure you of that and that you'll get nowhere. I don't mean to be brash about it but maybe I can save you some time on writing posts that do nothing but cause strife. In a simple way of putting it, is it possible you know everything? No, nobody does, you don't have to know the physics of how the atmosphere works to plainly see what is over our noses. The few of you guys that are here have never turned anyone from their conclusions. Look at seeker over 1500 posts and how many you think he has reached. Too many people now know about this for too few to say that this does not exist. I don't usually waste my time argueing over if it's going on or not, I know this so me like a bunch of others here and elsewhere are looking to the next step. Hope I can save you some time.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-30-2003 12:42 AM
professor you making an assumption...considering the hundreds to thousands that hit this site daily...don't say that *some* don't listen because a selected few of you are hard of hearing  I will agree it's a tired old song...one which I put on every now and then...to see if it still plays... there's plenty of other content at this site to talk about....and when there's not...there's always online chess ! so there  
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 06:24 PM
My goal here is not to try and "convert" the hardcore chemmies (Mech, Mark Sky, Lulu, etc..) on this site, because it will never happen. They are too prideful to admit a change of heart and its going to stay that way. My goal is to reach to people who are sill on the fence on the issue. These are mostly the people who check this site but never post. There are plenty of them who actually absorb contrail info instead of throwing it away. They are the ones I am working on.
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rockmonkey
New Member

B.C. 1 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 07:11 PM
DearPHXPILOT, didn't you read the registration fine print? It clearly says that a person must not post any material that is knowingly false .I cant believe a techie like yourself could be stupid enough not to believe in chemtrails.Unless of course you are just another gov't misinfomation quisling.I prefer to think youre just ignorant, but I doubt it.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 07:24 PM
uh huh. So that rules is applied in this situation...how?I am not knowingly providing false info on anything. I am showing you that these long lasting billowy contrails have been around since the first plane existed, and that airliners cannot be retrofitted with spraying equipment without letting anyone wthin a mile of the airplane notice it. I read the fine print, and I am not violating it in any way. P.S.:You actually believe I am purposely trying to mislead you???? 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 07:42 PM
I cant believe a techie like yourself could be stupid enough not to believe in chemtrails.From my obervation of people who believe in chemtrails, most of them know very little about contrails and how they work. It is because I am a "techie" that I dont believe in chemtrails. If I knew nothing about contrails, aviation, or weather, I might very well be on your side. But because I have found nothing unexplainable about the contrails and aircraft you see, I have no reason to believe it is a gov. conspiracy. 
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 09:43 PM
I happen to know a pilot who knows for a fact that all kinds of interesting stuff are being sprayed on us. He see's them, He isn't all too concerned though because he feels there doing something for the ozone layer. So yes there are pilots who know whats going on.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 09:49 PM
Would you mind elaborating on that Professor?I would think that as soon as you got this info you would have shoved it in my face as soon as you had the chance. Im surprised you waited this long, if this person actually exists. Would you mind asking this pilot to tell us exactly how he knows that the airlines are being used to spray, how they are spraying and who is spraying? 
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 10:11 PM
PHX why would I want to shove it in anyones face? you actually think all pilots are blind? Like I said before he knows it's going on he doesn't know by whom but he see's unmarked white military jets doing it, he doesn't read into the gov trying to kill us theory.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 10:19 PM
Well, since we have both been volleying our best arguments for the existance of chemtrails (or lack of existance) for around a month now, I would figure that as soon as you got word of a pilot who "knows for a fact" that chemtrails exist, you have have shown it to me immediately. Does this pilot have an E-mail address?
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 10:24 PM
I'm sure he does, I'll run into him again sooner or later and talk to him, I no him through a mutual friend of mine.
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halva
Senior Member
Greece 382 posts, Apr 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 10:26 PM
PHX Pilot, how are you going to handle the transition from "it's not happening" to "if it's happening what does it matter anyway?". By investing so much energy in asserting that it is not happening you strengthen the conviction that if it were, that would be terrible.I have been away from this site for a while now, but I come back to find you still banging away, apparently oblivious to what looked like a little bit of progress in the discussions I had with you before. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 10:41 PM
PHX Pilot, how are you going to handle the transition from "it's not happening" to "if it's happening what does it matter anyway?"Well, I still dont think its happening. I am in no way transitioning to "if it's happening what does it matter anyway?". I still firmly hold my stance. I have been away from this site for a while now, but I come back to find you still banging away, apparently oblivious to what looked like a little bit of progress in the discussions I had with you before. Oh dont worry, I remember quite clearly our little disscussion. And my stance did not change then, nor has it changed since then. Nice to see you back, in any case. Regards 

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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-30-2003 11:04 PM
Also, let me get something out of the way. Once upon a time (6 or so years ago)I was....I admit it.....a chemmie. Yup, I believed that the airlines were spraying us with chemicals. *shudders*. After I stumbled upon a site such as this (I dont know if it was this site) I started to notice the contrails and I really thought you guys were right. I really thought they were spraying us. But about 4 years ago I started flight training, and started doing research on contrails in my free time and at my flight school. I soaked up everything I could on contrails, what they are made up of, and how they form. It was then that I came to the stance that I hold now. I dont think they are spraying. I have learned and understood that these contrails are naturally occuring and normal in every facet.Just thought I'd give you a little background on me, and let you know that you let one get away and into the light.  
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Common_Sense
Debunker
UK 68 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-02-2003 04:45 PM
I notice the rush of people with technical knowledge explaining how chemtrails CAN happen. Or not, as the case actually is. 
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-02-2003 05:12 PM
you keep telling yourself that ok!
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