posted 02-10-2003 01:09 AM            

Here's a quote in this story that really gets me.
The dropped material should not show up at ground level, according to the letter, but EPA officials will be on site as monitors.

Yeah right... and that's why they're dropping "harmless" materials for their tests. I seem to remember an argument here on one of the threads referring to the very question of how much stuff released from the planes actually hits people in their breathing space. It was made in reference to the people of Portland Oregon who ended up coming down with sicknesses after attending an outdoor protest rally.

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US Army To Drop Mock
BioWar Materials Over OK
By Nick Trougakos
The Oklahoman
2-8-3

posted 02-10-2003 05:13 PM            

1000ft. I bet if they dropped that stuff from normal flight levels (35Kft+) they would never have a chance of hitting the town.

>>I seem to remember an argument here on one of the threads referring to the very question of how much stuff released from the planes actually hits people in their breathing space. It was made in reference to the people of Portland Oregon who ended up coming down with sicknesses after attending an outdoor protest rally.<<

You're memory is good. But what comparison is there between the two situations?

posted 02-10-2003 10:15 PM            

1. Bacillus thuringiensis
B. thuringiensis (known as 'Bt') is an insecticidal bacterium, marketed worldwide for control of many important plant pests - mainly caterpillars of the Lepidoptera (butterflies and moths) but also for control of mosquito larvae, and simuliid blackflies that vector river blindness in Africa. Bt products represent about 1% of the total ‘agrochemical’ market (fungicides, herbicides and insecticides) across the world. The commercial Bt products are powders containing a mixture of dried spores and toxin crystals. They are applied to leaves or other environments where the insect larvae feed. The toxin genes have also been genetically engineered into several crop plants (see Agrobacterium). The method of use, mode of action, and host range of this biocontrol agent differ markedly from those of Bacillus popilliae.

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Now when the sheeple hear others chatter about the spraying they will already be trained not to question anything. After all, its just powdered egg whites 'ya know.
It does seem to have a bit of a conditioning aspect to this story... trying to assure people this is a routine experiment..... no cause for alarm as long as they don’t decide to add something more toxic to the mix... and we all know the govt. has never been guilty of doing that.

I’m with David on this too... why can’t they just spray in some uninhabited area of the country. I’m wondering if spraying harmless pesticides on people is really that good of an idea let alone the idea of food allergies to eggs. I’ve used this particular pesticide on my garden produce and I’m sure there’s some warning on the bag as to careful use in handling and dispersing the product.

Quite honestly I think I’d try to arrange to be out of town during their experiment. I’m not quite the trusting person I used to be. Not after educating myself on certain issues.

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1000ft. I bet if they dropped that stuff from normal flight levels (35Kft+) they would never have a chance of hitting the town.

I would think the EPA would know more about the rate of speed that certain elements fall in the atmosphere after all they are the experts in this area... it’s their job. Though in the article they claim there’s not much worry... they’re still going to be there to “monitor”. Makes me wonder if there was someone monitoring the event in Portland where those people got sick afterwards.

It would be interesting to see what if any adverse health effects pop up for the people in that town. But you know if there is, we’ll never hear about it....... any information there would be placed under the catch all.... National Security or the “need to know” basis.

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I swear. I have NEVER stated that airplanes cannot be rigged to spray. I only said that operational airliners cannot be rigged to spray chemicals without: 1) A major overhaul of the interior, which would render the aircraft unable to perform normal ops

The only thing I can say to this is I’m sure what ever equipment they’re using for this experiment it’s not going to look anything like a crop duster.... after all they mostly spray liquids from crop dusters if I’m not mistaken. Since as they say it’s only going to be small amounts... but lets face it... the idea is to mimic an actual bio terrorist attack and I’m sure the terrorist is going to be using the most advanced technology available... and I don’t think that means attaching some obvious looking contraption onto their plane to draw attention to themselves... that would be a dead giveaway.

I hope someone out there will be smart enough to take a picture of whatever plane they use for this experiment. This is a prime opportunity I would think.

Still I can’t help but feel a bit sorry for those people there... I wonder if some of them feel like an uncooperative lab rat? I can’t get over the nagging feeling that they could put whatever they want in their powder mix and who would know????

posted 02-10-2003 11:46 PM            

bob I was thinking of driving up and watching it happen...it was done in the town south of me last year and the kids had a blast...

BTW david this little quote below is interesting are you threatening the president of the United States ?

I question what gives anyone the right to drop anything on citizens. How about the unoccupied area of the desert, or over the ocean if such a test is needed. A much better spot would be 1600 Penn Ave in Washington DC.

that might the last straw david...if you quit posting for a while...well...nice knowing you enjoy the free room and board...

posted 02-11-2003 02:43 AM            

Spraying salmonella or Baccilus on innocent people is okay?

Do it for the "Homeland".

If you oppose it you must be with Al-Qaida.

Yes...this is what America has become.

posted 02-11-2003 02:58 AM            

besides the main reason you all don't like these little tests...is because it completely debunks the "jet" delivery method of your precious mythological chemtrails...that you have been lying about all these years...get your facts straight poet...

if fools like you and david...hell throw mech in there as an ankle biter, want to make threats against public figures...or people for that matter....go right ahead....

posted 02-11-2003 11:47 AM            

I also want to AGREE with PHX Pilot on his analysis of commercial airliners NOT being able to spray. At least NOT in the VOLUMES that we've seen discharged in normal CHEMTRAIL operations. That 'Operation Cloverleaf' post I believe was DIS-INFORMATION. I fixed microfilm readers in many places and saw many commercial planes up close in hangars. There ISN'T ROOM for tanks with the volume we're seeing. Of course for chemical or biological 'terrorism' it wouldn't take MUCH...

Carnicom's work showing blood cells attached to polymer fibers show this to be an effective delivery vehicle for biological or chemical weapons. This stuff comes down and floats around in large quantities EVEN IN THE RAIN!! This is important as PROPAGANDA placed in movies like WW3 with Timothy Hutton try to convince you that biological weapons wouldn't do well in the rain. NOT SO WITH CHEMTRAIL POLYMER FIBERS!! They'll carry the pentagram... er pentagon bio war toys RIGHT INTO YOUR LUNGS AND BLOODSTREAM!!

posted 02-19-2003 11:53 AM            

Mock attacks meant to test weather radar network


System could detect chemical, biological agents
02/15/03
Aaron Cooper
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Military and federal environmental officials are holding an information session today at Max Westheimer Airport to discuss upcoming tests in which mock chemical and biological agents will be dropped over Goldsby.

The Army will test Oklahoma’s advanced network of weather radar from Feb. 24 to March 7 and again April 21 to May 7. Officials hope to learn whether the network can detect materials released from an airplane.

A plane will fly over Goldsby and release clay dust, powdered egg white, polyethylene glycol, ethanol and Bacillus Thuringiensis, or BT, in the air.

The materials bear physical resemblance to agents that could be used in a chemical or biological attack, officials said.

The polyethylene glycol is found in many cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. Ethanol is often used as a solvent and can be found in dyes, antiseptics and beverages. BT is a naturally occurring bacteria used to control moths and larvae. The BT to be used in the test will be irradiated.

“We want them to know what we’re doing here,” said Karen Baker, a spokeswoman for the Army. “We’re very aware of the heightened concern. We want to be good neighbors.”

Baker said about 30 people attended Friday’s session and most expressed concerns about what exactly will be dropped on them.

She said some people were concerned they could have allergic reactions to the egg white. Army officials are studying the situation to see if the materials should be used during the tests.

Similar tests were conducted in the Florida Keys, Baker said. She said the tests were successful.

Meanwhile, conspiracy theorists are completely wrong if they think Oklahoma was chosen for the test because officials think it’s a terrorist target, officials said.

Bob Kinne, test director, said the Sooner State was chosen simply because of its powerful radar network, which has been used for years to provide early warnings of severe weather.

The ultimate goal of the tests is to develop a warning system for emergency officials should a terrorist attack occur, he said.

If the system detected a material, for instance, emergency crews could be dispatched to collect samples to determine what was released.

Also, law enforcement could get a jump on investigating an incident or could evacuate an area before large numbers of people were exposed to any harmful substances.

“All we can see is the fact that something came out of it (an airplane)” Kinne said. “This is only a small piece to the whole puzzle. It all has to work together.

“The fact that I have a warning but don’t get it to the right person, it doesn’t work.”

Over the next several months, more tests will be conducted and modifications will be made to the system, Kinne said. Officials hope to have the first working system in place in Albuquerque, N.M., by March 2004.

The goal is to have 100 to 150 sites across the nation to cover the most populated areas, which are considered prime terrorist targets.

posted 02-21-2003 01:50 PM            

Notice how they focus on the egg whites instead of the bacteria
http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=989576&pic=none&TP=getarticle

Concerns about egg whites to delay start of radar tests
2003-02-21

The Oklahoman

Lingering concerns over the use of powdered egg whites in a series of chemical and biological tests in Canadian, Grady and McClain counties have led the U.S. Army and the federal Environmental Protection Agency to delay the start of the project, officials confirmed Thursday.
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The tests, which will use crop dusters to drop egg whites and four other substances believed to mock chemical or biological agents, were scheduled to begin Monday.

Concerns about allergic reactions to the egg whites, many raised by residents during meetings last week in Norman, contributed heavily to the decision to delay, officials said.

"We listened to the concerns, particularly to the issue on allergies, and the bottom line is in an overabundance of caution we just want to make sure we consult everyone we need to consult to be sure that we're doing the right thing," Army spokesman Maj. Rudy Burwell said. "There's no risk that needs to be assumed unnecessarily."

Burwell said he had no estimate as to when the tests may start.

EPA spokeswoman Cynthia Fanning said the test start would be delayed "at least one day." Fanning said there would be a meeting today between Army, EPA and state health officials to discuss the egg white concerns.

She said pushing the start date back would give officials time to communicate to the public any decisions that come out of the meeting.

When asked if powdered egg whites could be pulled out of the test, Fanning said it was a possibility.

EPA officials said from the outset materials used in the test would be safe to the public, and that the possibility of allergic reactions to the egg whites had been considered. Officials said egg whites were included because the concentration at ground level was expected to be too low to cause a reaction.

Concerns over the use of egg whites were initially raised by the Virginia-based Food Allergy and Anaphylaxis Network.

Network Communications Director Traci Tavares said she was encouraged the EPA and Army were analyzing data given to them by her group.

"We're glad to see that they're considering the health of the citizens there who might have allergies," Tavares said. "They're being judicious in making a decision about whether to go forward with the tests as planned."

In addition to egg whites, the Army and EPA planned to drop ethyl alcohol, powdered kaolin clay, polyethylene glycol and pest-killing bacteria bacillus thuringiensis. The aim of the test is to see if the Oklahoma City area's advanced weather radar systems can detect the materials in the sky.

Officials said there will be three drop zones. The first will be to the southeast of the Goldsby Airport in McClain County, the second near the intersection of S Morgan Road and SW 44 in Mustang, and the third at a location in Grady County.

Up to 30 drops will be made each day of the test, which was originally scheduled to take place Monday until March 7 and April 21 until May 2.