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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-12-2003 09:59 PM
   
lol, dont be sorry, I always like having a little backup when debating. That way, if I need to go take a break, you are right there to take my place.  
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 02-12-2003 10:01 PM
Doesn't "cut the mustard"? So you're telling me that these pilots (whom purportedly use the "latest" in technology, including cloaking devices, silver orbs, etc) would rather rely on contrail "Xs" that drift about in the 70-150 knot winds at altidue, instead of using very precise GPS systems?I can enter a lat-long in my FMS/GPS system on the Learjet and fly to that point and be within feet of it. Much more reliable than looking for some X-shaped cloud (that you really can't see well anyways) drifting about in the upper atmosphere. When we did our training maneuvers in the Military Operations Areas, we defined the boundaries of the area by inputting them into the GPS. Not by chasing clouds or contrails around in the sky. Oh, and the winds at the 30,000-39,000 foot level over the Eastern US was about 270 (from the west) at about 150-180 knots this past weekend. Cut the mustard? I'm laughing, really.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 02-12-2003 10:04 PM
lol...but 2 debunkers against 20 chemmies is considered "ganging up on" and "taking over the board"...can't have that...I'm gonna catch o'reilly...enjoy the water
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-12-2003 10:09 PM
OK men today you'll quit using navigational
equipment. We are now going to save the airforce money and paint xs to find our
way. yeah that one is a bit loony! unless
marking for wind dispersal for weather
manipulation. AS far as some crazy pics as
evidense I'll stand by that statement, for
I have myself witnessed weird activity and
for some morons who think they hold knowledge by the ass to say otherwise is
absurd in the least!
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-12-2003 10:19 PM
yeah that one is a bit loony! wow...I dont know how to react now AS far as some crazy pics as
evidense I'll stand by that statement, for
I have myself witnessed weird activity and
for some morons who think they hold knowledge by the ass to say otherwise is
absurd in the least! Regaining my composure...every time you tell us about these "weird activities" we tell you what they are actually doing. Why you throw it out the window is somthing I will never figure out.
Tell me what you saw that you consider "some weird activity". If it is truly weird and unexplainable, then I will tell you so. But it never seems to be unexplainable.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by PHXPilot on 02-12-2003]
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PacerLJ35
Senior Member
Millbrook, AL, USA
456 posts, Apr 2002
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posted 02-12-2003 10:22 PM
professor:I agree with you...not likely that the USAF would make X's in the sky to find their way. And I seriously doubt they use them for satellite imagery, considering that those cameras can focus in on a license plate, if need be, and are themselves positioned using GPS systems. As for wind drift, you really only need to look at the other clouds in the sky for that...and you can ask any jetliner flying up there....they can tell you as well. Our FMS on the Learjet can calculate the wind at altitude, along with temperature, barometric pressure and ISA, among other things. I'm sure the new Pacer CRAG KC-135s have the same capability. Again, I think the X's are the product of crossing paths, nothing more.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-13-2003 12:43 AM
It sounds great and all and wish what you tell is true but on this fold seeing is
believing, esp when you can see a mist
fallout at tree top level an hour later
and the bazillion of ionized particles
that you can illuminate on heavy days.
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 02-13-2003 08:36 AM
quote:
These boards I believe are still in the infancy stage but growing. The increase in disinfo tactics shows that these
operations can only go on for so much longer
until finally this is all common knowledge.
Who knows when it will all end. The day it
happens is the day debunkers become extinct
on internet forums.
Why is it the number of "Chemtrail believers" grow, but the more people that read the arguements and decide for themselves that it is BS, you call them "debunkers"? There are folks who don't believe in chemtrails that don't work for the government or have a higher agenda. The "evidence" chemtrails believers have provied IS circumstantial as you've so kindly pointed out.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-13-2003 10:10 PM
Yes there are some who don't believe, whatever, thats their right. I think
they're are plenty that think it's
bullshit. I did when I first heard of
them. I thought they were part of the
loopy UFO abduction crowd. Like I said
I've seen alot things in my day and for
any of you numskulls thinking they know
everything let em. Just remember there
are more paranoids writing each and every
day that have woken up, we don't have to
invent another moniker to show a growing
number. I can't help it chemtrails don't
fit in with your comfort zones, just keep
pretending they don't exist, they'll go
away!
into your fantasy realm of li
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CaptWalker
logic infuser
99 posts, Feb 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 07:52 AM
"I can't help it chemtrails don't fit in with your comfort zones, just keep pretending they don't exist, they'll go away!
into your fantasy realm"See, there's your problem again. If somebody makes an informed decision that chemtrails don't exist, they're somehow delusional. By "comfort zone", I guess you really mean my rational thinking. BTW, lots of CONtrails here in DC today, guess they're trying to accelerate the coming snow storm. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the moist air is already here. Funny how the CONtrails are only in the SW sky, exactly where the moist air is coming in from. Oh, but let me guess, that's how they accellerate the storm, by laying down chemicals only on the leading edge. How convenient.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 02-14-2003 01:10 PM
Believe him missing with a number of men, don't expect to see him again.....
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 04:43 PM
Well, my hope is that, eventually, people will do research and studies into contrails and aviation operations before they go jumping into the chemtrail conspiracy. Because once someone falls into the chemtrail trap, it is VERY hard to get them to come to their senses again. I am the exception to that. I used to believe in chemtrails, then I became a pilot, and now dont. I found the truth.More and more people will come to their senses and then chemtrials believers wll finally go extinct.* *Unless the public school system keeps down the road its on. Then people will think that fish breathe water. "Breathing oxygen under water? Thats unpossible...."
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zoobie555
Tired, need to get to bed earlier.
Conroe, Texas, USA
185 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 05:29 PM
I have to admit that the more I read the posts on this site, and links provided by both the "debunkers" and the "theorists" alike, the less I find myself believing in "chemtrails" and more in "contrails". On the other hand, I have also become much more of a believer in several other so called "conspiracy theories". Some things are just too obvious to ignore, like the facts of how normal contrail behavior coupled with decades long increase in routine air travel can account for what we see in the skies above us, and that while our government is almost certain to be poisoning us and lying about it in one form or another I doubt they are using an unecessary and wasteful method such as chemtrails. The NWO, that's one thing that just can't be debunked. From now on I'm going to put my time and research effort into more obvious government injustices. No to the NWO and yes to NESARA. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. The United States isn't a total loss yet, it can still be salvaged and not by anarchistic and destructive means. We can still make our elected official work for us once again, but we have to act now or it will be too late.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 10:49 PM
Caot, Phx you guys continue to bust out the same old bullshit we've heard before. the I'm a pilot approach is null, like I said
I know pilots that know better! You want
evidence go look into congressional records
as far back as 1977, ok Einstein. It's all
there, tommorrow I'll post where you can find them because your probaly too lazy to
research this yourselves. In the mid 90s
however the writings changed to make legal
the bio chem testing so we've been undermined again. It's also interesting to point out chemical biological patents that
are out there specifically for these operations.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 11:37 PM
I know pilots that know better!You still havent provided any E-mail addresses for these "pilots". I would really like to chat with them.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-14-2003 11:41 PM
I bet you would , and what would be your
first question?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-15-2003 08:56 PM
Well, mainly what evidence does he have that someone is spraying chemicals on us.
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hitech_46253
Senior Member
Indianapolis, IN U.S.
499 posts, May 2001
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posted 02-16-2003 05:53 PM
DUH!! Again and again and AGAIN the point seems to be AVOIDED that the government has ADMITTED CHEMTRAIL PROGRAMS for weather modification, biological dissemination, Barium 3D mapping and more. Planes have been moved for ADMITTED WEATHER MODIFICATION runs more than once. It was in Kucinich's BILL until he was told to de-legitimize the issue. The EFFECTS are easily noted with even the most CASUAL observation. And it's NOT CONdensation people!! Don't be CONned by that CRAP! You can easily test for and SEE the polymer fibers as they reach ground level. That's WHY this junk doesn't disappear into the air like they USED to prior to late 1998. That's WHY planes flying at the same altitudes, same conditions, SOME leave the trails and others are REAL CONtrails disappearing as is NORMAL for them. We have our share of ignorance AND government PLANTS on this site. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and take nobody's word for granted here.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LLNews/message/2196
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-16-2003 06:58 PM
Exactly and as far as giving my friends email so he can be harrassed wouldn't be
so friendly on my part.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-16-2003 08:57 PM
Im not asking you to give out his E-mail without his consent. I ask you to ask him if he would be able to answer a few qustions, and if he would mind you giving me his E-mail address.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-17-2003 07:40 PM
I'll talk to him by the end of the week and ask, I can't be too sure because I know
nothing of you, don't be offended but I trust no one.
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-17-2003 08:26 PM
No offense taken. Just tell him that a fellow pilot would like to chat with him regarding his viewpoint on chemtrails.Thats all
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-17-2003 09:46 PM
PHXPilot, We have a new member, Odie, who is active duty Air Force. You might like to talk to him regarding chemtrails?
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001237-28.html
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing
Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 02-17-2003 09:58 PM
Hey Lulu, thanks for pointing that out to me, I will be chatting with him privately.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here
2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 02-17-2003 10:00 PM
My pleasure Mr. Pilot
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