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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-27-2003 10:55 PM            

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Maybe a better use of your time, instead of calling me names, would be to find some proof of chemtrails.

I think that would be a better comeback than anything else.

heartland USA
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Manhattan Beach, CA USA
13 posts, Feb 2003

posted 02-27-2003 11:07 PM            

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Sorry to be so late on this thread. Working for a living. Professor, thanks for the words of encouragement. These debunkers are persistent little buggers, aren't they? A phenomenon to observe in and of itself. So far I have identified two, but I am sure you know many more.

As for what I flew, it was the TA-4J Skyhawk for the Marines. That dates me a bit, doesn't it? No matter. I don't think you need to be an experienced pilot to see the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail, but it might allow you to recognize the difference sooner.

All the best.

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The Hawk is watching.

heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
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13 posts, Feb 2003

posted 02-27-2003 11:29 PM            

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You may. I graduated from the US Naval Academy in 1982. My degree was in systems engineering. Before that, every day middle class child hood life in Los Angeles.

What do you fly, and for whom?

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-27-2003 11:32 PM            

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Well, it sounds like you think I fly for the airlines. Not yet, I dont

I am currently in airline training at Westwind School of Aeronautics at Phoenix Deer Valley Airport (KDVT) in Phoenix, AZ.

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heartland USA
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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-27-2003 11:45 PM            

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I'm waiting for you to tell another pilot theres no such thing as a chemtrail program.

Huh? Ive said that many times to pilots at my airport, and they agree. Is that what you've been waiting for?

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

North East U.S.A.
551 posts, Nov 2001

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-28-2003 01:23 PM            

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ooooooh Jeanie. Why did you have to do that.

A fact is somthing that is has observable, reproduceable, evidence to support it.

Example: I am drinking water. Fact? No. I have not done studies to see if what I am drinking is water. It is widely believed it is water, but it could be that lemonade gatorade stuff that looks like water. I THINK I am drinking water.

But even that has more evidence (label, ingredients) than chemtrails. Like I have said before, you think chemtrails exist. You have no proof, but you still think they exist. That in no way qualifies it to be considered a fact.

If you would like to go chase down one of these "sprayers" and rip them open and see what kind of contraptions they have inside, go right ahead. Ive seen the innards of many airliners and I have yet to se any strange machinery. If you find strange stuff inside, then file it under "evidence". Because it would be very good evidence. But do you have anything of the sort? no.

Stating otherwise, would make you look like a fool.

99 posts, Feb 2003

posted 02-28-2003 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
Mr walker exactly what question are you
referring to?

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The question for I believe the fourth time, which fact isn't fact and which conjecture isn't conjecture from....

posted 02-21-2003 11:54 AM by CaptWalker
FACT: On certain days, long streams are formed by airplanes that can linger and spread.
CONJECTURE: These are caused by chemicals being sprayed.
FACT: Some days these trails are in intersecting or parallel lines.
CONJECTURE: These 'patterns' are purposeful.
FACT: There are sometimes high readings of certain elements in rainwater samples.
CONJECTURE: These are due to the alleged chemicals being sprayed.
FACT: Certain aircraft CAN be equipped with spraying devices.
CONJECTURE: Aircraft ARE being equipped with spraying devices.
FACT: Many illnesses including depression have been found to cause flu like symptoms and Influenza itselft is highly contageous.
CONJECTURE: Flu like symptoms are often caused by chemicals being sprayed by airplanes.
FACT: Presents are being left under Christmas trees all over the world on 12/25.
CONJECTURE: These presents are being left by a jolly, old elf who flys a sled being pulled by 8 reindeer.
If you ask a 5 year old, they KNOW that Santa exists, the same way that "believers" know that chemtrails exist. To both, it is the most easily explainable cause of the situation. It cracks me up when "believers" try to say that non-believers have their heads in the sand.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by CaptWalker on 02-28-2003]

99 posts, Feb 2003

posted 02-28-2003 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Jeanie:
Chemtrail theory? You mean chemtrail FACT. To say otherwise you are making a BIG FOOL of yourself.

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Jeanie, with that comment you've already cornered the fool market. What "FACT"?? You seem to be in the same boat as many of the folks here that confuse fact with theory and conjecture.

heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-28-2003 08:07 PM            

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It is interesting to find
metal particles that show up under bright
light just after a heavy rain but would you
say that was from a smokestack?

How is him saying that it came from a smokestack different from you saying that it came from chemtrails? Niether have evidences supporting them.

If he said that it was from smokestacks, you would surly say "Riiiiiight, CaptWalker, smokestacks. How could you even think that? Theres no evidence that it came from smokestacks." Then you would say "Its obviously from airplanes spraying chemicals."

As I have said time and time again, if you want to find the truth, you cannot use assumptions. When you assume, you lose the argument, simple as that. Every single "evidence" you have is based on assumptions. You see particles in the air (Fact). They came from chemtrails (ASSUMPTION!!!!).

If you find photos of a 757 full of nozzles and tanks full of chemtrails, then you win the argument. That is pure evidence. There would be no assumptions involved. You find a 757 full of chemical tanks and nozzles that spray chemicals into the airstream, than you have found pure evidence. As soon as you make an assumption, the evidence becomes null and void. It is no longer evidence. And thats why you have no evidence.

heartland USA
1164 posts, Jan 2003

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Phoenix, AZ, USA
800 posts, Jan 2003

posted 02-28-2003 09:35 PM            

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If he said that it was from smokestacks

You see that word "If"? "If" is a word. "If" can be used to convey "If this situation ever occured". I know he never said that. Ive read this thread enough to know that. Duh. Im extracting from your example.

Let me rephrase the original statement for your reading pleasure. "If Capt Walker ever said what you said he did in your ficticious example, then this is what you would say".

Is that better?

And what is the deal with always resorting to cursing and namecalling? Chillout.

Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida
706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 02-28-2003 10:27 PM            

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Welcome Skyhawk, thank you for your service to our country.

Take heart with the naysayers around here. You are not expected to have concluded opinion on the "what" and the "why" simply from observing the evidence of spraying. We look forward to your input.

Sidebar: I said "evidence" not "fact" for debunkoids benefit. These are guys that probably still believe the government wouldn't lie, if it's on the nightly news it's true and if it didn't make the news it isn't.

Many of us here don't know what it is or what it's for, just that it is not the contrails we grew up seeing. Many theories are rampant. I do know plenty of reasonable and educated folks that are quite sure what ever it is it isn't "just" ice. Or as Lulu once coined, "ice behaving badly".

99 posts, Feb 2003

posted 03-01-2003 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by the professor:
You know capt faker if you read my posts you
wouldn't have to ask, you already know my take on the issue, what is your point?... chemicals in rainfall yes but
not just from the spraying... It is interesting to find
metal particles that show up under bright
light just after a heavy rain...

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I have read your posts and that's WHY I asked the question (again and again). And ONCE AGAIN you are trying to brush off my question with a bunch of rhetoric! "My point" is that you still don't know the difference between fact and conjecture. You even make a passing comment "but not just from the spraying" as if that is fact. IT'S NOT!!!! It is your THEORY! At least your last statement may be close to a fact. If YOU honestly found metal particles that show up only after a rain, that is interesting. To suggest they are from chemical spraying by airplanes is PURE CONJECTURE ONCE AGAIN.

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