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Topic: What are the X's for? | Topic page views:
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-01-2003 11:38 AM
You have no proof:::Cpt.Walker and Pilot. I wouldn't dream of wasting my time providing you with proof. How many times does it have to be laid out for you? Don't accuse me of dodging the issue, proof has been splattered all over this and Carnicoms site for eons. I sure would like to go over these C 130's and others with a fine tooth comb. Do you think I and a friend mechanic would be allowed to get anywhere near these planes at the site where they are flying out of. I hardly think so. I 'm wise to you guys, for anyone that provides proof, you try to discredit or humiliate.Question: Please explain why the sun is continuously shielded from shining directly on the earth. It's a Big job and they do their darndest but they can't quite reach 100% of the time. I pretty well understand what this chemtrail thing is all about and why the sun is is being masked. I just hope the perpetrators come to their senses soon because of the extreme detrimental effect of air, water, soil and all living things. They better get their a----in gear and replace fossil fuel with non-harmful sources of energy. That is IF they can give up their huge profits. Did you realize you are helping to fulfill Bible prophecy? Read 2nd Timothy 3:1 through 5. Part of it says men would be "without love of goodness." Only a jackass would foul their own nest and then deny it.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 12:10 PM
>>Please explain why the sun is continuously shielded from shining directly on the earth<<Hi Jeanie, not all areas of earth are constantly shielded...Kelowna being one of them...again. I say "again" because for 2 years I rarely saw the sun, now it shines in a blue sky.... 
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-01-2003 12:29 PM
Lulu, Actually I was referring to the countries seeing chemtrail activity. We know there are some places void of CT's. I have no idea where Kelowna is, inform me please. If you are having blue skies be VERY grateful. I'd sure like to see the sky minus these sky crappers, do I sound a bit annoyed? 
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 12:33 PM
Jeanie...Kelowna is in South Central British Columbia, Canada. Apparently Switzerland has nice skies too... Very grateful indeed  
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-01-2003 12:48 PM
Lulu; In "98" visited Calgary, Alberta for the Big Stampede. Traveled north, stayed at Lake Louise and Banf then up to Jasper, visiting the glacier along the way. Oh my God how beautiful, Hope I can go back some day and check out your neck of the woods. 
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 12:55 PM
As a new member, it has taken a while to get the courage to join in. In my neck of the woods, you have to be very careful when talking about "trails" or you a labeled a KOOK. I have a good story and ineresting pics gathered on a heavy spray day here in Oregon.
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the professor
KNOW YOUR ROLE
heartland USA 1164 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 02:46 PM
That settles it LULU I'm moving to Kelowna. That is some nice country, I had the experience of getting into a very bad wreck at Hells Gate, I'm sure your familier with that area, breathtaking. At least me and my friend walked away without a scratch after going into the gorge.
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 551 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-01-2003 03:14 PM
Justlookup; Welcome to CTC. Don't be shy about about speaking up and posting your picturesl. I havn't seen a shy one in the bunch here, me included. A while back a new aquaintence said to me, after my telling her about CT'S, "aren't you afraid someone is going to think you are mentally unbalanced?" I answered, I don't care what the uninformed think" Time has passed and I was pretty mad for a while but got over it and since then she has bent over backward to be my friend. Bye, got to get some work done around here. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 04:41 PM
Please explain why the sun is continuously shielded from shining directly on the earth. It's a Big job and they do their darndest but they can't quite reach 100% of the time.Again, I have never seen this occuring. Even if it appeared to be obscured from one vantage point, it would be perfectly visible from another vantage point. It would be a futile effort. They would have to pick only one location on the earth to shield to effectivly keep it from seeing sunlight. Studies show that less than 1% of the earth is covered by contrails at any one time. The earth is far from being harmed by "sun obscuring chemtrails".

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Catnip57
Senior Member

Central Washington 527 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-01-2003 05:15 PM
After reading this whole thread today... I’ve come up with a theory of my own about why the X’s are appearing in the skies over certain cities. While reading this bit of information from Pacer... I can enter a lat-long in my FMS/GPS system on the Learjet and fly to that point and be within feet of it. Much more reliable than looking for some X-shaped cloud (that you really can't see well anyways) drifting about in the upper atmosphere. When we did our training maneuvers in the Military Operations Areas, we defined the boundaries of the area by inputting them into the GPS. Not by chasing clouds or contrails around in the sky. This does sound like a more effective way of positioning ones aircraft in an exact location in the sky. Maybe the sprayers are being told to mark their position in the sky so they can be tracked by satellite to confirm the area where the spraying is to be carried out for that particular day. Of course that is just my theory. One other thing I’d like to comment about the source of all the particulates. Quote: Phx piolot If he said that it was from smokestacks, you would surly say "Riiiiiight, CaptWalker, smokestacks. How could you even think that? Theres no evidence that it came from smokestacks." Then you would say "Its obviously from airplanes spraying chemicals." I know for several years now the EPA has been coming down hard on any type of burning devices. Wood stoves, industrial polluters.... etc. Even now there’s no outdoor burning allowed unless you first obtain a permit and then that’s only on permissible days. Looks to me that these traditional sources of pollution are becoming a thing of the past. It’s only logical for the public to suspect airplanes as the next possible source of pollutants. They fly in the air, they burn fuel that create exhaust... why should they be excluded from the list of possible pollution sources? When one considers the auto industry and all the changes they’ve had to make for their cars to burn fuel cleaner. All because of new laws.... Yes I think the citizens of this country have a right to know what’s causing their skies to be obscured with a grey or white haze on almost a daily basis in some areas. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 05:29 PM
Maybe the sprayers are being told to mark their position in the sky so they can be tracked by satellite to confirm the area where the spraying is to be carried out for that particular day.This aswell, can be carried out far more effectively by GPS. I have the ability on my computer to track all aircraft flying that have IFR flight plans filed. I can tell you exactly where a certain aircraft is at any time. And that is with my PC! The military/government has zillions of other resources at their disposal to track aircraft other than giant Xs in the sky. And we need to clear somthing else up. I have never tried to debunk the fact that aircraft are polluting the atmosphere. We need to establish the fact that "chemtrails" are, apperantly, a purposful and blatant spraying of chemicals. "Polluting", on the other hand, is exaust from jet engines produced by the burning of jet fuel contaminating the atmosphere. I am not debating the fact that aircraft produce pollutants. 
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 05:32 PM
>>I am not debating the fact that aircraft produce pollutants.<<Pollutants that eventually fall to the earth?

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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 05:41 PM
I really dont know Lulu, because thats not what im debating. Think of it this way. Chemtrails: Spraying a aerosol spray can out of the windows of your car. Polluting: Your cars exaust system producing pollutants due to engine.I am debating "Chemtrails". Not unintentional pollutants. 
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 05:46 PM
Well if pollutants from contrails fall to the ground...wouldn't it stand to reason that pollutants from chemtrails would fall as well..?
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 05:57 PM
Well, yes, in the same way that if I drop a hammer it will fall just like a screwdriver would fall.What are you trying to say? 
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 05:59 PM
Thanks Jeanie. I noticed someone called "the professor" posted a pic of trail activity in the Portland OR area. It was heavy dosage day here. I have never seen the type of expansive aerosol cover as observed today. I am lucky as my wife doesn't think I'm a KOOK and observes trail activity also. Today she was furious.
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 06:05 PM
>>It was heavy dosage day here<<I'll say it was...have you checked out this thread justlookup? http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001726.html What I am saying PHXPilot, is that if chemicals are being pumped in the atmosphere, they're not just going to remain up there, they will eventually reach the earth. 
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PHXPilot
Your Mode C Veil is Showing

Phoenix, AZ, USA 800 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 06:09 PM
Well, I would assume that would be true.
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 06:12 PM
Just like the pic Lulu. I did not take any photos. It was too depressing. It really is a shame as the dawn was sapphire blue and by lunch, a dirty grey...
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 06:49 PM
Additionally, if someone can instruct me on how I may post images, I have a coulple of pics I'd like to share...
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 08:24 PM
Ditch instructions. Pics byte size too large...
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 08:35 PM
justlookup ~FLKook, our Image Database Editor, would assist you in resizing and uploading if image file is too big. Just e-mail her... And when images are uploaded, just right click on the image itself for URL and to insert image in post put [img]just before URL and [/img] right after.
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 09:55 PM
Thanks Lu. Where can I get the email address for the manager...
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Lulu
ice behaving badly
right here 2553 posts, Dec 2000
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posted 03-01-2003 09:58 PM
FLKook's e-mail can be found by clicking on her name where it states who moderates the forums  flkook@aol.com
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justlookup
New Member
NW Oregon 10 posts, Mar 2003
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posted 03-01-2003 10:01 PM
Thanks again, just mailed the request.
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