posted 03-03-2003 10:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Jeanie:
You have no proof:::Cpt.Walker and Pilot.... proof has been splattered all over this and Carnicoms site for eons. I sure would like to go over these C 130's and others with a fine tooth comb. Do you think I and a friend mechanic would be allowed to get anywhere near these planes at the site where they are flying out of. I hardly think so.

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Jeanie, you, like the professor, can't seem to grasp the difference of theory and "proof". Remember, it's up to believers of chemtrails to provide proof. They (you) are the ones trying to make a case for the existance of chemtrails. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to prove they don't exist.

Think of it this way: I can make a statement that ghosts inhabit my house and you can't prove me wrong. I make this statement because I've seen unexplanable things like my car keys being somewhere other than where I left them (my kids may have moved them, but I KNOW it's ghosts doing it), strange creaking noises from the attic and basement (yes the furnace make strange noises too, but I KNOW these noises are ghosts). I've taken photos in my house that have a strange halo like image (yes those photos were taken of a dark subject standing in front of a bright background, but I KNOW they are from ghosts)... do you see where this is going. You could prove that chemtrails exist if you could just simply provide a photo of a sprayer in action. I don't mean the photos from 30,000 feet away, I mean a photo of a plane equipped with sprayers, a photo of spraying taken from the plane showing something coming out of the nozzles, a photo of the chemicals being loaded into the plane... I have seen NO PROOF of any spraying program or even a single spraying plane, only speculation!

posted 03-03-2003 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
Well if pollutants from contrails fall to the ground...wouldn't it stand to reason that pollutants from chemtrails would fall as well..?

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posted 03-03-2003 08:29 PM            

I'd like to believe that these remarkably persistant debunker types are just ignorant of our "governments" capabilities and past history, but I'm afraid that it is obviously much more sinister than that.

I'd just love to believe that their fervant efforts are born out of stupidity, or just living in a state of denial about what has been going on over or heads for over 4 years now. But all of the more reasonable members of this board certainly know that there are much more malevolent reasons for their zeal.

Actions speak louder than words ever could. These people are far more determined and persistant than anone ever would be, if they were truly conviced that chemtrail believers are just out of touch with reality, in which case, they would simply make their case, and then move along to something "REAL" and more interesting.

But no. They plug away, and keep close tabs on all the message boards, day, after day, after day, pouncing on anyones attempts to get people to think, and research for themselves. They would have gotten bored and given up their desperate attempts to prove their case long ago, if there wasn't some OTHER motivation driving them to zealously keep after it, day after day, month after month, year after year. Think about it.

Well, that's my first post here, and I have little doubt that I am immediately going to be accused of being someone else, or dangerous, or just another insane chemmie, or whatever. Have fun.

But the facts I have pointed out should get any reasonable person to stop and think it through. Would a person who is truly convinced that this is nothing but an internet (or talk radio)
"hoax" devote so much incredible determination to the issue. I don't believe it. No way.

posted 03-03-2003 09:34 PM            

But just a quick ridicule, and then bolt? Well, I guess you can't be TOO obvious.

posted 03-03-2003 10:19 PM            

But you guys seem to be so worried about chemtrail believers learning the truth about contrails, that you make up a story that works to your advantage. That we are sent by the government.

This does two things for you guys.

1). It gives you guys, and others, a reason to ignore our statements without looking ignorant.

2) It "proves" that our government is evil and is out to get us.

Sure it might work for people who are eager to find any possible way to make chemtrails exist, but for those of us who know for a fact that we are normal, hard working people that dont work for any shady government, it just gives us a nice hearty chuckle.

posted 03-03-2003 10:54 PM            

Phoenix, AZ, USA
310 posts, Jan 2003

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"it just gives us a nice hearty chuckle.
Give it up guys."

THREE HUNDRED AND TEN POSTS!
- on a non-issue?

I'd say you were silly before you started posting here for "chuckles."

What ever happened to your slap happy buddy - Ms Billy Joe?

posted 03-04-2003 04:50 AM            

It would seem that you, and this countries founders have little or no common philisophical ground concerning the nature of man, and government.

Not to be insulting, but I put more faith in their wisdom over yours, by far.

BTW- Major conspiracies DO exist, and always have. Uncountable MULTITUDES of them. To try and claim otherwise would make someone appear to be seriously ignorant. I am only pointing this out, because you strike me as the "All conspiracy theorists are kooks" type.

Don't feel bad. MILLIONS have been slowly brainwashed into the same mentality. Don't worry though. If you buckle down, and really spend time doing your homework, you just might be able to break free from that delusion.

posted 03-04-2003 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by X marks the spot:
anyones attempts to get people to think, and research for themselves... There are ulterior motives at work.

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There lies your (and most people here) mistake! 90% of the believers DON'T think or research this issue for themselves. There are a couple posters and a couple authors/radio personalities (Corny, Rense...) who supply the "research" and everybody else just cuts and pastes and eats their crap like it's gospel. If I were able to fool Rense (not hard to do) into thinking I was former military who had inside info on a conspiracy, he'd print it and folks here would lap it up. Hell, I think half the sources these guys quote they make up themselves to keep the dream alive.

posted 03-04-2003 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by X marks the spot:
It would seem that you, and this countries founders have little or no common philisophical ground concerning the nature of man, and government.

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posted 03-06-2003 01:23 AM            

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FK knows he is not working for the government

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posted 03-07-2003 10:01 AM            

"...for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
-- Alexander Hamilton

posted 03-07-2003 10:02 AM            

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This countries founders would hang themselves over the nature of man today.

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posted 03-07-2003 12:34 PM            

that's bullshit....our system works very very well...

it's the people who corrupt it...

posted 03-07-2003 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by theseeker:
This countries founders would take up arms themselves over the nature of the federal government today.

that's bullshit....our system works very very well...

it's the people who corrupt it...

whatcha gonna do about that ?

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Impeach all corrupt leaders, starting with this oil-soaked administration.

posted 03-07-2003 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by FLKook:
This countries founders would take up arms themselves over the nature of the federal government today.

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